Cornell / Maryland thread (the last game)

[cuselaxss26]

True, but if you wear #22 at Syracuse and will soon become the all-time leading scorer at Syracuse, then I do expect you to be able to dodge. Cornell had 2 elite dodging threats on attack, which would be great, but I’d settle for just 1!

In our past glory days, we always had 2 dodging attackmen and 1 attackman who could finish (often a Canadian/box player). I think Anderson could be a dodger (which is why I thought he would have been better for our offense then Spallina, and many laughed at me).

Gait’s/March’s offense has had no dodging attackmen for the past 3 seasons, so I think it’s intentional. Gait seems to be enamored with ball movement and recruiting box players, but it’s just not going to win us a chip. It’s about balance. Box players/finishers who are good passers are great to have on the team, but we can’t only have 3 of them as our attack unit. This is Field lacrosse! We need at least 1 (preferably 2) attackmen who can dodge

As i do agree we could use some dodgers not doubt. Cj isn’t super fast just big n strong n was able to power his way to net. But also doesn’t need to blow by guy to get hands free all he needs is a half second for his hands free to get off a shot. Also goldstien is super fast but believe only really once maby twice did he torch his guy completely for goal. He was able to shoot around his defender few times. But one thing cj n goldstien did well when dodge was keep their feet moving. They didn’t stop n try to body n back in like joey does. Tho cj can prob do that as he has the size and strength to do so. But most time they both kept moving their feet constantly.

Also they’re very clear with their dodge or know what they wanna do nnwhere they wanna get. They’re not just looking for loads of space but just enough of step or even half step to get their hands free. Also cornell moved cj all over. We did not move joey all over. Cj was even setting picks for guys. Cornell’s spacing seem way better then our they really spread out n don’t clogg middle as much. They’re also terrific passers n fit it in some tight spaces. What also helped is could see maryland was concerned with some of cornell’s outside shooters (42,47,) which caused maryland to have to press out at times. But cuse lacks outside shooters.

Cornell inverted a lot also which caused some discomfort for maryland. Cuse tried to much dodging from top n would spin it down low behind net when got pushed out as cornell would spin out n up throwing ball back up top n quickly to other side right into another dodge giving maryland less time to recover. I think if you don’t have the dodgers to win 1v1 can still beat a good defense but ya need outside shooters who can hit those shots specially on a great goalie. They got mcnaney to move pipe to pipe n shot it fast and hard n bounces hard bouncers. They also shot ball as guys passed mcnaneys face changing levels giving him less time to see ball. They also hide ball very well when they shoot to give goalie little trouble to see ball come out of stick.

Cuse could do some of what cornell did against maryland. But cornell also was very aggressive n physical n mostly dictated what marylands offense or what they wanted them to do. They hustled hard for every ball as every gb they had least 4 guys going after it n coming out with it actually pick up a hard contested grounder. Lastly their defense caused turnovers n their goalie made saves tough hard saves.

 

[cuselaxss26]

Also their defense talked a lot could see even dmids pointing to to guys or where player should go after a slide came to help. They were all in sync played as team. Was impressed by their dmids play n how they were even talking n calling out things. They got ball out n up fast at times n early offense. Also their O middies didn’t run right off either they got back into the whole covered a guy most likely gonna sub off n when did went with them so didn’t give up transition. They also played the sub game very well. They didn’t turn ball over much at all n was able to completely take maryland out of their comfort zone n get a lead n forced maryland to have to play little faster. Maryland started making mistakes. Cornell just did fantastic job n did exactly what needed to to beat maryland.

 

[SUlax88-09]

How many teams have elite dodgers?

I only watch SU college lacrosse games, except for the playoffs, so, from what I’ve seen, to answer your question directly (if it’s the 4th quarter of a game and if you need a goal, then the below attackmen can get you an unassisted goal; that’s my definition of an elite dodger)
Cornell - 2 - Kirst, Goldstein
Maryland - 1 - Spanos
Penn St - 1- Traynor
Duke - 1 - McAdorey
N Carolina - 2 - Duffy, Pietramala
Army - 1 - Eicher
Georgetown - 1 - Carroll
Harvard - 1 - King
Towson - 1 - Weisshaar
Notre Dame - 1 - Kavanagh
Syracuse - 0

As a side note, all of the other 3 Final Four teams would have killed us, and we would have lost to both Richmond and Georgetown, too. They were both really good teams. Richmond Almost beat Cornell, and I think they were probably even better than Maryland. So even though we made it back to the Final Four, we’re not as close to winning a chip as it seems (which was evident by our beatdown by Maryland)

 

[FloridaCuse]

I only watch SU college lacrosse games, except for the playoffs, so, from what I’ve seen, to answer your question directly (if it’s the 4th quarter of a game and if you need a goal, then the below attackmen can get you an unassisted goal; that’s my definition of an elite dodger)
Cornell - 2 - Kirst, Goldstein
Maryland - 1 - Spanos
Penn St - 1- Traynor
Duke - 1 - McAdorey
N Carolina - 2 - Duffy, Pietramala
Army - 1 - Eicher
Georgetown - 1 - Carroll
Harvard - 1 - King
Towson - 1 - Weisshaar
Notre Dame - 1 - Kavanagh
Richmond - Merklinger
Syracuse - 0

As a side note, all of the other 3 Final Four teams would have killed us, and we would have lost to both Richmond and Georgetown, too. They were both really good teams. Richmond Almost beat Cornell, and I think they were probably even better than Maryland. So even though we made it back to the Final Four, we’re not as close to winning a chip as it seems (which was evident by our beatdown by Maryland)

Is Mackesy and/or Palumbo of Princeton?

 

[SUlax88-09]

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Is Mackesy and/or Palumbo of Princeton?

I only watched 1 Princeton game all season, and it was the game that we played them (which was the greatest game SU lax has played in the past 12 years! That was the game of the season). Mackesy looked just like Hiltz to me. A phenomenal shooter and scorer, but not really a dodger. Palumbo is a middie, and he looked unstoppable against us partially because we were inexcusably putting a SSDM on him

 

[upperdeck]

Cornell led by 3+ goals in the 4th of every game this year except the 1st Richmond game and the 2nd Richmond game where they only led by 2. They played them tough.. Knust saving 25% in that first game was some of it.

 

[DMVCuseLax]

I only watch SU college lacrosse games, except for the playoffs, so, from what I’ve seen, to answer your question directly (if it’s the 4th quarter of a game and if you need a goal, then the below attackmen can get you an unassisted goal; that’s my definition of an elite dodger)
Cornell - 2 - Kirst, Goldstein
Maryland - 1 - Spanos
Penn St - 1- Traynor
Duke - 1 - McAdorey
N Carolina - 2 - Duffy, Pietramala
Army - 1 - Eicher
Georgetown - 1 - Carroll
Harvard - 1 - King
Towson - 1 - Weisshaar
Notre Dame - 1 - Kavanagh
Syracuse - 0

As a side note, all of the other 3 Final Four teams would have killed us, and we would have lost to both Richmond and Georgetown, too. They were both really good teams. Richmond Almost beat Cornell, and I think they were probably even better than Maryland. So even though we made it back to the Final Four, we’re not as close to winning a chip as it seems (which was evident by our beatdown by Maryland)

Every guy on your list would need a pick to be successful most of the time except Goldstein and Kirst.

Not a fan of hypothetical games but playing a like opponent close doesn't mean they would beat us.

 

[DMVCuseLax]

Didn't realize petro was an elite dodger and McAdorey had very little success against us unless you call a shot from the midline a great dodge.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Sorry but I cannot stress enough how strongly I disagree with this way of looking at things. Spallina and Hiltz are on a level with all of those guys except Kirst Goldstein and a fully healthy Duffy. All of those guys have been shut down in certain matchups or close to it. Spallina and Hiltz were just as likely to make a 4th quarter play as those guys aside from Kirst and Goldstein. Where was Caroll in their game against MD? Where was McAdory against GTown? Where was Sam King against us? Where was Traynor against Cornell? Heck literally every non CJ Kirst and Goldstein attack has been shut down or close to it against MD.

You are judging everyone else by their best games and you are judging Hiltz and Spallina by their worst. You act like every team has a cheat code off the dodge and we don’t because we feel like it is not necessary or something. Every single one of these guys besides Kirst Goldstein and a 100% healthy Duffy would have this guy complaining about their play if they were in a cuse uniform. Guys who go off no matter who is guarding them are rare(!!), not something every other team with a pulse has shored up except us. You know why Makesy did not look like a dodger to you? Because Riley Figueras was guarding him. Not because he can't dodge.

 

[DMVCuseLax]

Sorry but I cannot stress enough how strongly I disagree with this way of looking at things. Spallina and Hiltz are on a level with all of those guys except Kirst Goldstein and a fully healthy Duffy. All of those guys have been shut down in certain matchups or close to it. Spallina and Hiltz were just as likely to make a 4th quarter play as those guys aside from Kirst and Goldstein. Where was Caroll in their game against MD? Where was McAdory against GTown? Where was Sam King against us? Where was Traynor against Cornell? Heck literally every non CJ Kirst and Goldstein attack has been shut down or close to it against MD.

You are judging everyone else by their best games and you are judging Hiltz and Spallina by their worst. You act like every team has a cheat code off the dodge and we don’t because we feel like it is not necessary or something. Every single one of these guys besides Kirst Goldstein and a 100% healthy Duffy would have this guy complaining about their play if they were in a cuse uniform. Guys who go off no matter who is guarding them are rare(!!), not something every other team with a pulse has shored up except us. You know why Makesy did not look like a dodger to you? Because Riley Figueras was guarding him. Not because he can't dodge.

The biggest issue I had about our offense was that we wouldn't continue to put Joey on the move off ball like we did against ND.

 

[PhatOrange]

It was interesting to me after watching Kirst and Goldstein torch people what a difference in size each kid is.

Cornell roster list

Kirst 6-2 210
Goldstein 5-9 145.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Roger N]

I want to report that Cornell held a special graduation for their lacrosse team. when they got back to Ithaca.

Here is the link. Would Ohio State do that?

Here is the link:

Cornell Men's Lacrosse - 2025 Commencement

 

[PeteCalvin]

Look, if the world of science can bring back some semblance of the Dire Wolf, we can certainly clone the Gaits and the Powells to fill our future dodging needs.

I forget how fun it was to watch Mikey Powell just break the ankles of defenders.