Class of 2025 - DE Quante Gillians (NY) COMMITTED TO SYRACUSE (6/16/24) | Page 8 | Syracusefan.com

Class of 2025 DE Quante Gillians (NY) COMMITTED TO SYRACUSE (6/16/24)

Been a Cuse fan all my life but I’ve always held Michigan in high regards. If I had a choice as a prospect I would have chosen Michigan over SU. They are that big of a program. It’s easier for the kids to choose the bigger offer now. They know they can always come back home if it doesn’t work out.
Not so fast my friend:) I hear you but all things being equal I think that early playing time is important. I listen to Carmelo's kid and others across both football and Bball and the smart ones or maybe the fortunate ones who don't have to decide based just on money are looking for a fit. Playing time and the proper use of their skills. That obviously doesn't mean that Michigan doesn't have all of that but i think that Fran has more than we think at his disposal. Also, unless a kid is truly academically committed the degree matters but not to the extent that Michigan trumps SU. In fact, I would say having alumni in your hometown and back yard trumps almost everything. Bottom line who knows but if any staff can compete with Michigan and the other blue bloods it's this one.
 
Been a Cuse fan all my life but I’ve always held Michigan in high regards. If I had a choice as a prospect I would have chosen Michigan over SU. They are that big of a program. It’s easier for the kids to choose the bigger offer now. They know they can always come back home if it doesn’t work out.
Think that was the old su thought process. Under Fran not sure he would be willing to take a player that decommitted.
 
Not so fast my friend:) I hear you but all things being equal I think that early playing time is important. I listen to Carmelo's kid and others across both football and Bball and the smart ones or maybe the fortunate ones who don't have to decide based just on money are looking for a fit. Playing time and the proper use of their skills. That obviously doesn't mean that Michigan doesn't have all of that but i think that Fran has more than we think at his disposal. Also, unless a kid is truly academically committed the degree matters but not to the extent that Michigan trumps SU. In fact, I would say having alumni in your hometown and back yard trumps almost everything. Bottom line who knows but if any staff can compete with Michigan and the other blue bloods it's this one.
If it was Michigan with Hardbaugh and in the national title race, ok. But Moore looks in over his head and they look like they're heading for a rough patch.
 
Not so fast my friend:) I hear you but all things being equal I think that early playing time is important. I listen to Carmelo's kid and others across both football and Bball and the smart ones or maybe the fortunate ones who don't have to decide based just on money are looking for a fit. Playing time and the proper use of their skills. That obviously doesn't mean that Michigan doesn't have all of that but i think that Fran has more than we think at his disposal. Also, unless a kid is truly academically committed the degree matters but not to the extent that Michigan trumps SU. In fact, I would say having alumni in your hometown and back yard trumps almost everything. Bottom line who knows but if any staff can compete with Michigan and the other blue bloods it's this one.
You are trying to come up with reasons why a kid should choose SU over Michigan and Im providing thoughts based on how 17 year olds think these days. ( Not as a SU fan). I have talks with them about recruitment on a regular basis.
 
In the old days, Michigan had their way w/SU recruits. They successfully recruited JJ Grant, Mike Hart and Jaimie Morris over us. Don’t know if the dynamic has changed.
There was one guy early in Babers tenure we got from NJ over Mich. what was his name? DL, injured, never panned out.
 
Yeah that's it. The old false extreme extension. All I'm asking is to feel something, anything related some minimal level of angst. The least amount of some feeling related to losing. I am such a fan of Syracuse Football I feel emotion related to every little thing. I know your going to mis interpret that into some extreme emotion. I truly don't quite understand when fans feel absolutely nothing when a great recruit de commits. Not some extreme emotion but some small appropriate hint of something related to losing a terrific recruit.
Nothing is good or bad until thinking makes it so. (Paraphrasing).
Folks whose lives are emotionally impacted by decisions of teenagers which have no impact on their own lives are a fascinating lot.
 
You are trying to come up with reasons why a kid should choose SU over Michigan and Im providing thoughts based on how 17 year olds think these days. ( Not as a SU fan). I have talks with them about recruitment on a regular basis.
I thought your post was about the fact that you would have chosen Michigan as a 17 year old. I didn't realize you had spoken to him.
 
In the old days, Michigan had their way w/SU recruits. They successfully recruited JJ Grant, Mike Hart and Jaimie Morris over us. Don’t know if the dynamic has changed.
There was one guy early in Babers tenure we got from NJ over Mich. what was his name? DL, injured, never panned out.
Not sure on the NJ kid but Terry Lockett had a Michigan offer and Iffy was recruited heavily by Michigan at the end. Harbaugh flew in personally to one of Iffy's basketball games like a week before signing day to try and flip him.
 
Not sure on the NJ kid but Terry Lockett had a Michigan offer and Iffy was recruited heavily by Michigan at the end. Harbaugh flew in personally to one of Iffy's basketball games like a week before signing day to try and flip him.
Researched it. The NJ DL recruit that chose us over Mich was Jake Pickard
 
That was us and wisconsin. Shafer and crew got stuck at his house in a snow storm. Too bad the kid had bad injuries.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the status quo for any "big" recruiting win we've happened to have over the last decade+
 
Nobody is a bigger fan of Syracuse University sports than I am -- but let's be honest. Michigan is a much higher profile football program than ours, and a much better academic institution, overall.

Or course, there might be alternative reasons why a kid might opt to come to SU instead of there -- maybe they want to be closer to home, or have the opportunity to play in front of friends / family more easily, or maybe there's a quicker path to playing time, etc.

But it isn't difficult to envision how a high profile recruit -- and these types of prospects generally have a high level of confidence in their abilities -- might be swayed by a Michigan offer. Even with their struggles this season.
 
Nobody is a bigger fan of Syracuse University sports than I am -- but let's be honest. Michigan is a much higher profile football program than ours, and a much better academic institution, overall.

Or course, there might be alternative reasons why a kid might opt to come to SU instead of there -- maybe they want to be closer to home, or have the opportunity to play in front of friends / family more easily, or maybe there's a quicker path to playing time, etc.

But it isn't difficult to envision how a high profile recruit -- and these types of prospects generally have a high level of confidence in their abilities -- might be swayed by a Michigan offer. Even with their struggles this season.
Thanks for taking off your orange shades for a second.
 
Nobody is a bigger fan of Syracuse University sports than I am -- but let's be honest. Michigan is a much higher profile football program than ours, and a much better academic institution, overall.

Or course, there might be alternative reasons why a kid might opt to come to SU instead of there -- maybe they want to be closer to home, or have the opportunity to play in front of friends / family more easily, or maybe there's a quicker path to playing time, etc.

But it isn't difficult to envision how a high profile recruit -- and these types of prospects generally have a high level of confidence in their abilities -- might be swayed by a Michigan offer. Even with their struggles this season.
The second part of that is unfortunate but valid.

The first part, I will never take my orange-colored glasses off for. Punk Michigan, and everyone else in the football universe.
 
The second part of that is unfortunate but valid.

The first part, I will never take my orange-colored glasses off for. Punk Michigan, and everyone else in the football universe.

I agree -- loathe Michigan and their stupid, insipid fanbase -- but it doesn't make it any less true.
 
No argument. UM is solid as a long-standing FB brand and excellent academics. I'm far from 17, but is not "fit" also important? I assume from Fran's success that at least some recruits are smart enough to know they won't be playing for a name. They'll be playing for a coach, with a lot of other guys who are part of a team culture, in a program run a certain way, that is either on the upswing or downswing, that is close enough for family access, etc. etc. To focus on the "biggest name" seems pretty silly (even for a 17 yo), esp. since the UM coach could be on his way out.
 
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I agree -- loathe Michigan and their stupid, insipid fanbase -- but it doesn't make it any less true.
Among my roommates at law school we had a Purdue grad and a Michigan grad. I won’t be able to type all the words, and it’s a bit dated regarding some language, but Purdue had its own version of the Michigan fight song:

Hail to those mother ’ers
Hail to those big c ….suckers,
Hail, hail to Michigan, the cesspool of the West

Hail to those homo sex…..ls,
Hail to those pseudo intellectuals,
Hail, hail to Michigan the cesspool of the west.
 
Among my roommates at law school we had a Purdue grad and a Michigan grad. I won’t be able to type all the words, and it’s a bit dated regarding some language, but Purdue had its own version of the Michigan fight song:
Didn't have to type any of it tbh.
 
Dasher might remember but back years ago i think Doug might have playing we landed a OL guy i think he was a polish kid bernad... something or other and it was a massive win for Cuse.
 
No argument. UM is solid as a long-standing FB brand and excellent academics. I'm far from 17, but is not "fit" also important? I assume from Fran's success that at least some recruits are smart enough to know they won't be playing for a name. They'll be playing for a coach, with a lot of other guys who are part of a team culture, in a program run a certain way, that is either on the upswing or downswing, that is close enough for family access, etc. etc. To focus on the "biggest name" seems pretty silly (even for a 17 yo), esp. since the UM coach could be on his way out.
Some make decisions based on biggest offer/name/brand. Some don’t. That’s just the reality of recruiting.

Of course there are other factors but playing for a blue blood program has always been a dream for these kids.
 
Some make decisions based on biggest offer/name/brand. Some don’t. That’s just the reality of recruiting.

Of course there are other factors but playing for a blue blood program has always been a dream for these kids.
The thing that Fran needs to do is win consistently, year after year. If he does the reputation of Syracuse will come back, but it isn't going to happen overnight.
 
The thing that Fran needs to do is win consistently, year after year. If he does the reputation of Syracuse will come back, but it isn't going to happen overnight.
No doubt. Fran is capable of that. It will make it harder for kids to pick other programs over Cuse. Even the top tier programs.
 

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