Death of the Zone.....

[newmexicuse]

as a 100% defense no matter what goes on on the court.

If this game doesn't prove to dino-coach the need to have a capability to mix up D's then nothing will. A few minutes of man might have restored order, certainly there was nothing to lose.

 

[dasher]

as a 100% defense no matter what goes on on the court.

If this game doesn't prove to dino-coach the need to have a capability to mix up D's then nothing will. A few minutes of man might have restored order, certainly there was nothing to lose.

the zone didn't turn the ball over against the press. And our guards could never hold up against the speed of their guards. Just like every other team couldn't.

 

[samspann1]

Harrell enjoyed the zone last night.

 

[Brooky03]

Our players were too tired to play zone effectively. You honestly think they had the energy to chase guys around in man? Siva would have gotten to the rim at will.

 

[HoustonCuse]

as a 100% defense no matter what goes on on the court.

If this game doesn't prove to dino-coach the need to have a capability to mix up D's then nothing will. A few minutes of man might have restored order, certainly there was nothing to lose.

I'm not sure a few minutes of LeBron would have restored order.

 

[realorange]

With the exception of 2 or 3 times when it broke down, the zone was fine.
What was not fine was the 'Ville getting 32 points on turnovers.
You do the math.

 

[Madbiker]

We lost because we had 20 turnovers that UL converted to score 32 of their 78 points. It wasn't the zone D. If you want to complain, ask why we had no scheme to inbound the ball against UL's press? It's not like we didn't know what to expect. It's the same problem we had against them in the Dome when we threw away 4 passes on in bounding plays. Once they pressed it was a like we had high school guards who were in total panic. From that point UL was getting tons of open court buckets rather than playing against a set defense.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We lost because we had 20 turnovers that UL converted to score 32 of their 78 points. It wasn't the zone D. If you want to complain, ask why we had no scheme to inbound the ball against UL's press? It's not like we didn't know what to expect. It's the same problem we had against them in the Dome when we threw away 4 passes on in bounding plays. Once they pressed it was a like we had high school guards who were in total panic. From that point UL was getting tons of open court buckets rather than playing against a set defense.

We lost because we had 20 turnovers that UL converted to score 32 of their 78 points. It wasn't the zone D. If you want to complain, ask why we had no scheme to inbound the ball against UL's press? It's not like we didn't know what to expect. It's the same problem we had against them in the Dome when we threw away 4 passes on in bounding plays. Once they pressed it was a like we had high school guards who were in total panic. From that point UL was getting tons of open court buckets rather than playing against a set defense.

Well, part of the problem is that we only have 3 guards and unlike some other years. We didn't have forwards who can break the press

 

[rstone7727]

We should have yanked the starters and inserted all the walk-ons when things broke down, we had nothing to lose. :crazy:

 

[orange79]

as a 100% defense no matter what goes on on the court.

If this game doesn't prove to dino-coach the need to have a capability to mix up D's then nothing will. A few minutes of man might have restored order, certainly there was nothing to lose.

Igor? Is that you? Did the internet return to Florida?

 

[JoeSU]

After playing 4 games in 4 days, including, bruising, physical games against Pitt and GT (which went into OT), and considering JB is comfortable only going 7/8 deep, I don't see how this team would have had the energy to play much M-2-M. As a desperation move, we tried to press full court with around 4:30 left, but Louisville's guards were just too quick. We just didn't match-up well with the Cards.

The zone can be incredibly effective when a team is built for it and knows how to play it. Louisville only shot 40% on the game. For the entire season, our FG% is 5th in the entire country this year at 37.7% (Louisville is 17th, BTW); last year we were 7th, and the year before we were 12th. How can someone be critical of those results?

 

[br801]

Well, part of the problem is that we only have 3 guards and unlike some other years. We didn't have forwards who can break the press

Good points, but effectively we only have two guards this year. I'm shocked that this caught up with us in our fourth game in four days, against one of the best defensive teams in the country.

 

[Brooky03]

I can't wait to add Gbinije as a 3rd ballhandler.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

I agree that dino-coach should have used Coleman to break the press. He also should not have scheduled 4 games in four days. What kind of coach does that?

Maybe though we should look at the press we put on to restore order with a team full of dead legs. That worked well now didn't it? But Man-t0-Man would have been the solution regardless! :crazy:

Anyway a younger coach would have been the true solution. Preferably one with no wear nor experience. I am over my disappointment as you can tell and am actually laughing at some of the posts (well actually the posters). Ergo the dripping sarcasm is in lieu of a rebuttal that would obviously have no affect on the ridiculous.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

With the exception of 2 or 3 times when it broke down, the zone was fine.
What was not fine was the 'Ville getting 32 points on turnovers.
You do the math.

Did you even watch the game? Harrell had uncontested dunk attempt after uncontested dunk attemp the entire second half! Broke down a "few" times? Are you kidding?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

the zone didn't turn the ball over against the press. And our guards could never hold up against the speed of their guards. Just like every other team couldn't.

Your comment would have some credence if you didnt take into account that they CANNOT PRESS IF THEY DONT SCORE.

why do u think their pressure had suck little effect the first half? not because we were "fresh" ..because we were scoring and they couldn't implement it

 

[alphaorange]

And no one anywhere is mentioning UL's 20 offensive rebounds...add that to 20 TOs and there is no way to win. Even when we stopped them the first time, 20 times they got a 2nd or 3rd shot.

 

[Townie72]

Let me see if I have the original poster's point right.

We needed to go to M2M to restore order? And, "We had nothing to lose"?

Great idea. That's all we needed. MCW and Triche chasing Sliva and the other guards all over the floor.

The M2M argument is like Dracula on this forum. It can't be killed. You think you have killed him with silver bullets and stakes in the heart but after a period of time he gets up and starts walking around.

Sliva torches every other team but SU. Why do you think?

 

[HoustonCuse]

Thats your problem right there. Silver bullets will not stop Dracula. You need wooden bullets. Buy them up before they get banned!!

 

[longislandcuse]

Last night m2m wouldnt have solved anything but I do agree with the main point, and maybe under Hopkins this happens, we need to be able to at least throw a m2m at teams from time to time. Next year we will have Patterson/Cooney/Roberson/Grant/BMK as reserves. If that doesnt scream of a team with the depth to press and throw a decent m2m out there for a minute or two a game, I dont know what does. Patterson and Cooney seem like they could be tenacious m2m defenders.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

With the exception of 2 or 3 times when it broke down, the zone was fine.
What was not fine was the 'Ville getting 32 points on turnovers.
You do the math.

"2 or 3?"
We were watching different games. Or have different definitions of "broke down."

Every time the pass went to the big man at the free throw line — that was the beginning of the breakdown. Lville scored easily on many plays from that starting point. Either the easy jumper by Gordi, or the pass to the rim, or the kick out to the corner... All of those were due to that zone's indecision and inability to deal with playmaking from the 4/5 position at the FT line. They became very efficient doing that, and this preceded us losing our lunch to the pressure. Actually, they were able to put on the pressure because they were so efficient in scoring from this.

The problem is, we were actually too tired to try man. And, as we've seen in the previous few years, we don't even play man well enough to beat DII scrubs. So, as much as i dislike the zone as an exclusive defense, we didn't have a fallback option.

 

[IthacaMatt]

"2 or 3?"
We were watching different games. Or have different definitions of "broke down."

Every time the pass went to the big man at the free throw line — that was the beginning of the breakdown. Lville scored easily on many plays from that starting point. Either the easy jumper by Gordi, or the pass to the rim, or the kick out to the corner... All of those were due to that zone's indecision and inability to deal with playmaking from the 4/5 position at the FT line. They became very efficient doing that, and this preceded us losing our lunch to the pressure. Actually, they were able to put on the pressure because they were so efficient in scoring from this.

The problem is, we were actually too tired to try man. And, as we've seen in the previous few years, we don't even play man well enough to beat DII scrubs. So, as much as i dislike the zone as an exclusive defense, we didn't have a fallback option.

Not until Southerland came out. Grant was caught like a deer in headlights a few times. But it was the turnovers and the inability to get off a quality shot. We didn't make a basket for 11 minutes and missed a half dozen foul shots. It was the inability to score that sapped the defense. When you are maintaining a lead, your energy stays high. They got demoralized, and then completely fell apart once they surrendered the lead.

 

[realorange]

Did you even watch the game? Harrell had uncontested dunk attempt after uncontested dunk attemp the entire second half! Broke down a "few" times? Are you kidding?

32 points on turnovers. The Ville had 78 points total. 46 points through the zone. Do we eliminate all the TOs, of course not, but eliminate half and what do we have.
Oh, and we only scored 26 in the second half.
Many reasons besides the zone for our loss last night.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Not until Southerland came out. Grant was caught like a deer in headlights a few times. But it was the turnovers and the inability to get off a quality shot. We didn't make a basket for 11 minutes and missed a half dozen foul shots. It was the inability to score that sapped the defense. When you are maintaining a lead, your energy stays high. They got demoralized, and then completely fell apart once they surrendered the lead.

I don't know if it was directly his fault, but Grant sure was the key guy in many horrific plays that got that snowball moving wasn't he? Yikes. Just so shocking since we beat them without Southerland before.

 

[baggerbob]

4 guys gave us nothing, Rak, Cooney, Grant, DC2, and our senior shooting guard had a bad game, Baye , CJ, James were our best players, and MCW for the most part played well. You aren't going to beat a good team with that kind of play.