Demetres Samuel Jr

[OrangeXtreme]

Think he's too valuable to be returning kicks.

We can put Kerr back there. He can take a 10 yard loss on every punt return.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Think he's too valuable to be returning kicks.

Naw we gotta use him to his fullest. He wants that and we need talented athletes returning kicks

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Think he's too valuable to be returning kicks.

Agreed but he needs the ball in his hands especially on offense.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Samuels had 8 offensive snaps yesterday need to see more of that for this kid he is a elite football player overall.

 

[721Comstock]

Agreed but he needs the ball in his hands especially on offense.

Then we’re gonna have to use him for jet sweeps,
because we can’t put the ball in anybody’s hands if it’s not a handoff.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Then we’re gonna have to use him for jet sweeps,
because we can’t put the ball in anybody’s hands if it’s not a handoff.

True

 

[sufandu]

Let’s hope

We don't really have an answer yet. It won't truly be answered until after the portal closes.

 

[sufandu]

Think he's too valuable to be returning kicks.

I've never understood this take. Did we think this with Marvin Harrison or Quinton Spotwood? Did Michigan think it with Desmond Howard or Charles Woodson? Did Alabama think it with Devonta Smith?

Playmakers have to be on the field to make plays, and special team returns are the place where you can guarantee your playmaker gets the ball with the chance to make a play.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

I've never understood this take. Did we think this with Marvin Harrison or Quinton Spotwood? Did Michigan think it with Desmond Howard or Charles Woodson? Did Alabama think it with Devonta Smith?

Playmakers have to be on the field to make plays, and special team returns are the place where you can guarantee your playmaker gets the ball with the chance to make a play.

Alabama did this with Jaylen waddle and he was out for the whole year after getting hurt.

 

[sufandu]

Alabama did this with Jaylen waddle and he was out for the whole year after getting hurt.

Quinton Spotwood got hurt catching a pass and was out fr the whole year. Should we not have used him at WR? Should we have told Angeli not to scramble? That's when he got hurt. It's football. Guys can get hurt on any play.

As a punt returner he has the choice to avoid big hits by fair catching it. Once he starts running, it's not that different than sending him on a crossing pattern where a safety can light him up. Players need and want to play.

 

[orangepassion]

I've never understood this take. Did we think this with Marvin Harrison or Quinton Spotwood? Did Michigan think it with Desmond Howard or Charles Woodson? Did Alabama think it with Devonta Smith?

Playmakers have to be on the field to make plays, and special team returns are the place where you can guarantee your playmaker gets the ball with the chance to make a play.

I understood your take, but respectfully disagree. I don't think the benefits outweigh the cons of him getting crushed on a return and the team losing their best DB. There are other guys who can return kicks, such as Tyliek Hill, who's done a nice job. It probably doesn't matter as much this year, but don't think it's worth the gamble next season when we can be really good

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

It was late & the game was out of reach in the 4th but I really liked the play at 19:04 in the below highlights. Samuel Jr. reads it early & goes right by their frosh WR Moore’s block attempt to stand up Malachi Toney with a great form tackle for an 8 yard loss. It’s 31-3 with 10 mins left in the 4th, they’re running a swing to their star WR, & our 17 yr old frosh is still playing all out, making his reads, & having none of it.

 

[sufandu]

I understood your take, but respectfully disagree. I don't think the benefits outweigh the cons of him getting crushed on a return and the team losing their best DB. There are other guys who can return kicks, such as Tyliek Hill, who's done a nice job. It probably doesn't matter as much this year, but don't think it's worth the gamble next season when we can be really good

I would be worried about him getting crushed if he wasa little guy, but he's got good size. And he has some control over when he gets hit. He could also get hurt by getting pancaked by an olineman while trying to cover a screen pass. Football has risks.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Didn’t Robert pena say he was coming back too? Hard to trust anyone’s word these days when a larger bag could be lurking just around the corner.

 

[cayugacuse]

I would be worried about him getting crushed if he wasa little guy, but he's got good size. And he has some control over when he gets hit. He could also get hurt by getting pancaked by an olineman while trying to cover a screen pass. Football has risks.

I understand what you are saying. He could slip in the shower and get hurt as well. A punt returner standing flat footed waiting for punt to fall from the sky with a mad 240 lb bench lb bearing down on him to show the coach he should be a starter is highly dangerous. My thought is does the risk outweigh the reward? The chances of Samuel breaking one are slim and we have other hungry young guys that need to get on the field. One of the last qb's in the pros to play special teams was Joe Theisman. No Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson fielding punts or playing special teams either. They are pretty special athletes though.

 

[JRHEETER]

Think he's too valuable to be returning kicks.

Fran has made a point to let everyone know that he is not afraid to play his best players on special teams. This is a way for them to make an NFL team if they are fringe and gives them advantage.

Having more players in the NFL is a huge recruiting advantage.

I love the move.

I want my best players on the field as much as possible.

 

[JRHEETER]

Didn’t Robert pena say he was coming back too? Hard to trust anyone’s word these days when a larger bag could be lurking just around the corner.

Yeah, minus his return was always mark with an *

 

[CanadianSU]

Didn’t Robert pena say he was coming back too? Hard to trust anyone’s word these days when a larger bag could be lurking just around the corner.

Until he saw Collins…

 

[orangepassion]

Fran has made a point to let everyone know that he is not afraid to play his best players on special teams. This is a way for them to make an NFL team if they are fringe and gives them advantage.

Having more players in the NFL is a huge recruiting advantage.

I love the move.

I want my best players on the field as much as possible.

I hear ya. I just hope all these guys that are saying this don't complain if he ends up getting injured on a return when we have other guys who could do it

 

[mikemorg]

Fran has made a point to let everyone know that he is not afraid to play his best players on special teams. This is a way for them to make an NFL team if they are fringe and gives them advantage.

Having more players in the NFL is a huge recruiting advantage.

I love the move.

I want my best players on the field as much as possible.

IIRC during the glory days of Mac & P, we sued a lot of starters on special teams and our special teams were elite.!

 

[Trueblue25]

Until he saw Collins…

Looks like Pena’s really filled up the stat sheets at PSU this year. Maybe i’ll send him some linkedin and resumé tips.

 

[JRHEETER]

Looks like Pena’s really filled up the stat sheets at PSU this year. Maybe i’ll send him some linkedin and resumé tips.

Still yet to have a 100 yard game there.

Woof.

 

[Trueblue25]

Still yet to have a 100 yard game there.

Woof.

Yep glad he tucked tail and went where the grass is greener, and more morally deprived. Collins has been horrible but the board’s being overly nostalgic thinking Pena would’ve gotten the same target share this year with Gill breaking out, Villari turning into a draft caliber TE, and JRS/Cook in the fold. Good college receiver surrounded by NFL talent.

 

[sufandu]

IIRC during the glory days of Mac & P, we sued a lot of starters on special teams and our special teams were elite.!

Yeah. I listed some in an earlier post. Other teams do it too, includng the factories. It's not uncommon.

 

[CanadianSU]

Looks like Pena’s really filled up the stat sheets at PSU this year. Maybe i’ll send him some linkedin and resumé tips.

True dat. And he had a lack of faith in Fran not solving the problem, which Fran did (until the bad luck injury).

Just don’t think it was a money issue with Pena.