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This would be an awesome development. No pun intended.


Would be interested in OttoMets take on this one. I love good parking lot infill, but I don't love that there are no immediate development plans and it sounds like he can sit on the property for as long as he wants before actually constructing anything. Maybe there are more details in the agreement related to timelines that weren't revealed in the article.
 
What happens to the Festa Italiana?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe they have utilized that parking lot at all recently. Maybe for bathrooms, but that's it. Everything else for Italian Fest is either in the streets or in the parking lot across the street.
 
I was just in Dublin, OH where they already have something similar with the exception of a medical facility. I was impressed, it was built to look like downtown Columbus. Where I was has only been open for 4 years, there are some good pics on their website: Apartments for Rent in Dublin, OH | Bridge Park - Home


"Clay, N.Y. – Developers plan to replace the dead Great Northern Mall with a housing and retail behemoth unlike anything ever seen in Central New York, syracuse.com | The Post-Standard has learned.

The vision proposed by local developer Guy Hart and his partners includes as many as 1,700 apartments and condos, six hotels and a new medical hub. It would stretch across more than 200 acres – about two-thirds the size of the Syracuse University campus."
 
I was just in Dublin, OH where they already have something similar with the exception of a medical facility. I was impressed, it was built to look like downtown Columbus. Where I was has only been open for 4 years, there are some good pics on their website: Apartments for Rent in Dublin, OH | Bridge Park - Home


"Clay, N.Y. – Developers plan to replace the dead Great Northern Mall with a housing and retail behemoth unlike anything ever seen in Central New York, syracuse.com | The Post-Standard has learned.

The vision proposed by local developer Guy Hart and his partners includes as many as 1,700 apartments and condos, six hotels and a new medical hub. It would stretch across more than 200 acres – about two-thirds the size of the Syracuse University campus."
This sounds terrific and would been great for the area. I hope it happens and gets done quickly.

6 hotels? Sounds like former Pyramid executives are involved.
 
This sounds terrific and would been great for the area. I hope it happens and gets done quickly.

6 hotels? Sounds like former Pyramid executives are involved.
I bet several are extended stay types. All these temp workers will need places to stay.

The county desperately needs a northern parkway off I-81. It should parallel 31 about 2 miles north and as a minimum go to 481 but really should go north of Bville and ideally all the way to Wolcott.
 
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not for nothing but at some point why wouldn't there be a statute of limitations on things like this? Right or wrong the world is a far different place than 250 yrs ago. The value of the treaty, the enforcement, and everything about it would be different.

I mean if I had a note that says my family owned a plot of land in downtown NY that now owns a 2 billion dollar building would I get it back 200 yrs later?
 
not for nothing but at some point why wouldn't there be a statute of limitations on things like this? Right or wrong the world is a far different place than 250 yrs ago. The value of the treaty, the enforcement, and everything about it would be different.

I mean if I had a note that says my family owned a plot of land in downtown NY that now owns a 2 billion dollar building would I get it back 200 yrs later?

Well when you have politicians pandering towards throwing money at centuries old grievances for votes, these things catch on.
 
The Onondaga are taking the US to an international court to get some sort of enforcement of its 1794 treaty signed by George Washington.

Realistically, they can't get that land back after 200+ years. But we should give them fair compensation to lift the tribe up out of poverty.
 
not for nothing but at some point why wouldn't there be a statute of limitations on things like this? Right or wrong the world is a far different place than 250 yrs ago. The value of the treaty, the enforcement, and everything about it would be different.

I mean if I had a note that says my family owned a plot of land in downtown NY that now owns a 2 billion dollar building would I get it back 200 yrs later?
First, I am not a lawyer but here are my thoughts. There are treaties and the parties that formed the treaties still exist. The US Government and the Onondaga Nation. That's different than "an ancestor of mine owned land..." You likely cannot prove you are a legal heir but the Onondaga Nation can prove there is a treaty and maybe that it was violated by one of the parties. The Onondaga nation, as stated in the article, does not want money. It wants land. Some was even turned over by the state (as the article says). I think something reasonable can be worked out.
 
So if they found some issue with the Louisiana purchase, we can give a the red states back?

Yeah, and I hope we kept the receipts for Texas, so we can give it back to Mexico.

Remember the Alamo?
Never heard of it.
Mediocre car rental company?
 
So if they found some issue with the Louisiana purchase, we can give a the red states back?
or just make them a giant Maga penal colony. or at least Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota,
 
not for nothing but at some point why wouldn't there be a statute of limitations on things like this? Right or wrong the world is a far different place than 250 yrs ago. The value of the treaty, the enforcement, and everything about it would be different.
Same with the constitution
 
Realistically, they can't get that land back after 200+ years. But we should give them fair compensation to lift the tribe up out of poverty.
The Oneida, Seneca and Mohawk tribes all have casinos...maybe they can help them too. Not sure how much land we can give to them?
 
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The Oneida, Seneca and Mohawk tribes all have casinos...maybe they can help them too. Not sure how much land we can give to them?

I know a few natives. The Onondagas don't want casinos and the they don't want to sell pot because they are more conservative in nature, and they don't want those kinds of behaviors to draw in and corrupt their young people.

On the other hand, their biggest income generators are tobacco sales, the diner and the box lacrosse center. So maybe they ought to consider something more to help their people get out of poverty.

They were given the French Fort a few years ago, but they have basically shut it down, or only use for occasional private events. A lost opportunity, if you ask me. They could use it as an education and outreach center, to engage with the community.

I was having a Facebook conversation with a woman who is a performer who is a Mohawk around the time 5 years or so ago, that the Onondaga were asking for land around Onondaga Lake to be returned to them. This was around the time of the "completion" of the clean up of the lake.

So, I asked her, "what do they want to do with it?" And she just didn't seem to understand my question, but that's probably because she was thinking "all this land is really ours". I was trying to make the point to her, that yes, this was all your land, but there's a mall there now, and all this other development.

I said "if the Onondaga have some particular plan for how they'll use the land, it will make a more compelling argument to give at least some of it back, beyond saying, we own it because of this 200 year old treaty."

She didn't take my point in the spirit intended, and that was the end of the conversation. I don't think many white people (or people of color, for that matter) are adverse to doing something for natives, just like we gave them the right to operate casinos. We obviously have to do more, and have to do more to respect and teach their heritage.

Which brings me to a different point, but an interesting one. I'm kind of a history buff, and most people don't understand the tremendous history of the Haudenosaunee. They were not just "The First Democracy in North America" (story of Hiawatha and the Great Peacemaker).

But in fact, the Haudenosaunee built an inland empire that, at its peak in the mid 1700s, went far beyond the borders of New York State. Their empire extended many miles on the northern side of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie into modern day Canada. And as they defeated more and more native tribes to gain control of the beaver trapping grounds, they eventually spread into the Ohio River Valley, as far west as Michigan and Indiana, and as far south as Northern Virginia.

Remember the old Hawthorne novel, "Last of the Mohicans"? Who is it who ended the Mohicans? The Mohawks. They got guns and steel weapons and tools from the Dutch and used them to dominate the beaver trade, from the mid 1600s to about 1760 and the French and Indian War. The British also armed the Haudenosaunee to help them fight the French along with their allies the Algonquins on the frontier (i.e. Central NY).

Everyone thinks the natives lived in these small communities with abundant resources like the Garden of Eden. But tribal relations, and our history, were more complicated than that. There is a great story to be told here.
 
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I was just in Dublin, OH where they already have something similar with the exception of a medical facility. I was impressed, it was built to look like downtown Columbus. Where I was has only been open for 4 years, there are some good pics on their website: Apartments for Rent in Dublin, OH | Bridge Park - Home


"Clay, N.Y. – Developers plan to replace the dead Great Northern Mall with a housing and retail behemoth unlike anything ever seen in Central New York, syracuse.com | The Post-Standard has learned.

The vision proposed by local developer Guy Hart and his partners includes as many as 1,700 apartments and condos, six hotels and a new medical hub. It would stretch across more than 200 acres – about two-thirds the size of the Syracuse University campus."

Dublin was done really nicely. Great Northern's proposal is a lot more Township 5. That said, denser housing and a diversity of choices would be good up there.
 

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