Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[ssbriefcase]

Pretty cool - reminds me a bit of Chef's Hall in Toronto, but not loving the seating.

Toronto isn't my favorite place on Earth, but they have a couple good markets and set ups like this (obviously plenty of places do, Ottawa's is okay, but doesn't seem to pull people in the way you would hope)

It's a tough balance between Artisanal Food Court vibe and Trendy Food Market

This must be the newest trend? Here in Denver in the past couple years we have at least 3 of these type places and 2 that are Faccilo huge. Milk Market right in LoDo, and Denver Central Market and Stanley Marketplace. Millennials seem to gravitate to these places. The food at Milk Market is really good at almost all the places in there. Plus with Covid they closed down the alleys for entire blocks and put tables out there and now it's a lot more space to eat/drink at. I hope this SCM is a success.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I want a restraunt with big fluffy chairs where it’s actually comfy to sit in

Interesting you say that, just this morning we were watching the news of a new restaurant opening here in Denver, and it had those hard uncomfortable chairs. We've had this running theory recently that millennials don't like comfy seating because all the new places have terrible seating. I'm sure since that's cheaper is one reason, but good to hear you're not on board. We need comfortable seating!

 

[FloridaFan]

Interesting you say that, just this morning we were watching the news of a new restaurant opening here in Denver, and it had those hard uncomfortable chairs. We've had this running theory recently that millennials don't like comfy seating because all the new places have terrible seating. I'm sure since that's cheaper is one reason, but good to hear you're not on board. We need comfortable seating!

Everyone should be against skimpy chairs and other bad chairs. I especially hate places like Texas Roadhouse that give you booths with woodbacks

 

[ssbriefcase]

Everyone should be against skimpy chairs and other bad chairs. I especially hate places like Texas Roadhouse that give you booths with woodbacks

I wonder if it's some conspiracy to turn tables faster = more $. People won't spend as much time there because they aren't comfortable enough.

 

[shandeezy7]

I wonder if it's some conspiracy to turn tables faster = more $. People won't spend as much time there because they aren't comfortable enough.

Was just gonna say they want you to eat your food and g.t..o.

 

[OttoMets]

This must be the newest trend? Here in Denver in the past couple years we have at least 3 of these type places and 2 that are Faccilo huge. Milk Market right in LoDo, and Denver Central Market and Stanley Marketplace. Millennials seem to gravitate to these places. The food at Milk Market is really good at almost all the places in there. Plus with Covid they closed down the alleys for entire blocks and put tables out there and now it's a lot more space to eat/drink at. I hope this SCM is a success.

Milk Market is great, love that place. Syracuse doesn't have that critical mass of residents/employees, and the 500 block of South Salina Street is not so great, so Salt City Market faces an uphill battle. But I will say the menus look great and I'm looking forward to getting over there.

 

[shandeezy7]

Milk Market is great, love that place. Syracuse doesn't have that critical mass of residents/employees, and the 500 block of South Salina Street is not so great, so Salt City Market faces an uphill battle. But I will say the menus look great and I'm looking forward to getting over there.

Need more development on that end of downtown. The new apartments on Warren are a great start. Redevelopment of central high should help. JMA Wireless converting the old Coyne Textiles complex into a 5G factory should also help. Still you’re right that there isn’t much density immediately south and west of there.

 

[OttoMets]

Need more development on that end of downtown. The new apartments on Warren are a great start. Redevelopment of central high should help. JMA Wireless converting the old Coyne Textiles complex into a 5G factory should also help. Still you’re right that there isn’t much density immediately south and west of there.

Less concerned about the density and more about the open-air drug market...guess we're a few days away from answering the question that's been in the back of everyone's minds since Allyn announced the project: how will a public food hall and a large street population coexist?

Edit: JMA's a potential game-changer. (Yes, that's a stupid expression. But this development has the potential to be a big, big deal.)

 

[Trueblue25]

Milk Market is great, love that place. Syracuse doesn't have that critical mass of residents/employees, and the 500 block of South Salina Street is not so great, so Salt City Market faces an uphill battle. But I will say the menus look great and I'm looking forward to getting over there.

Location is already turning a lot of local professionals off that’d otherwise frequent a place like the Market. Hopefully the city doesn’t let that be a long-term factor.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We are looking forward to the Salt City Market. I used to work in the Dey's building until about 5 years ago. Looking forward to seeing what the market has to offer.

 

[OttoMets]

Location is already turning a lot of local professionals off that’d otherwise frequent a place like the Market. Hopefully the city doesn’t let that be a long-term factor.

I don't know what the city can do about it, but it's a problem -- both perception and reality, IMO. The street population has exploded in the last decade; you can't sit on a park bench and eat lunch without being imposed upon, so you've got to wonder how Salt City Market is going to address this.

We've got to help provide social services, but it would be nice if there were a way to do that while not affecting quality of life for the rest of us. (The easiest way to do that seems to be density, but it's a chicken and egg problem that's gotten worse during the pandemic: without more normal people around, normal people won't want to be around. The ratio is out of whack.)

 

[OttoMets]

We are looking forward to the Salt City Market. I used to work in the Dey's building until about 5 years ago. Looking forward to seeing what the market has to offer.

I've gotten to try most of the vendors' food. Great stuff all around. Not sure another Vietnamese place or bakery can make a go of it, but we'll see. Speed and professionalism will be key; that's a stumbling block for start-ups, but people want good food fast at lunchtime.

I've got my eye on the Red Double from Sley's. Everything I've had from him has been awesome, but haven't had a chance to try his burger yet. I don't usually patronize new places until they have a chance to settle in for a couple weeks and work the bugs out, but odds are good that I'm going to cave and wander down there on Friday.

 

[shandeezy7]

Less concerned about the density and more about the open-air drug market...guess we're a few days away from answering the question that's been in the back of everyone's minds since Allyn announced the project: how will a public food hall and a large street population coexist?

Edit: JMA's a potential game-changer. (Yes, that's a stupid expression. But this development has the potential to be a big, big deal.)

Yeah, the bus station was sorely needed, but the location they went with, including its proximity to the Rescue Mission, has created a bit of a mess at times. I'm honestly not sure what can be done to fix it, though. I will say that here in Buffalo, there is a very large homeless population in the Allentown neighborhood, and that has not stopped the bars/restaurants from thriving there.

 

[OttoMets]

Yeah, the bus station was sorely needed, but the location they went with, including its proximity to the Rescue Mission, has created a bit of a mess at times. I'm honestly not sure what can be done to fix it, though. I will say that here in Buffalo, there is a very large homeless population in the Allentown neighborhood, and that has not stopped the bars/restaurants from thriving there.

Denser neighborhood, better ratio, I think.

Love me some Allen Burger Venture. Of the many disappointments associated with the pandemic, my top five definitely includes having to miss a family wedding in Buffalo in November that would have included an ABV meal. (File this under first-world problems, obv.)

 

[shandeezy7]

Denser neighborhood, better ratio, I think.

Love me some Allen Burger Venture. Of the many disappointments associated with the pandemic, my top five definitely includes having to miss a family wedding in Buffalo in November that would have included an ABV meal. (File this under first-world problems, obv.)

I've gotten ABV takeout a number of times over the past 10 months. Still just as delicious as always.

 

[Fly Rodder]

We've got to help provide social services, but it would be nice if there were a way to do that while not affecting quality of life for the rest of us.

I think a lot of time the people who are the biggest problems are the ones who don't make use of what social services we do have for many reasons, mostly because they're addicts and don't want to/can't get clean. It's a tragedy.

And there's also the depressing lack of funding for mental health services.

I hope this SCM can be successful. My office is down there and we anticipate a full reopening this spring. It'll be nice to have a quick lunch spot with lots of variety.

 

[Ghost]

I wonder if it's some conspiracy to turn tables faster = more $. People won't spend as much time there because they aren't comfortable enough.

I believe it is!

One of the nicer restaurants/bars here in Ottawa does this. Space is absolutely gorgeous, food is off the charts, everything is super expensive - it's just all-around a great spot, but then you're sitting in these hard plastic chairs that I wouldn't want to sit on outside, much less inside (or anywhere). Don't make no sense!

 

[Ghost]

I've gotten to try most of the vendors' food. Great stuff all around. Not sure another Vietnamese place or bakery can make a go of it, but we'll see. Speed and professionalism will be key; that's a stumbling block for start-ups, but people want good food fast at lunchtime.

I've got my eye on the Red Double from Sley's. Everything I've had from him has been awesome, but haven't had a chance to try his burger yet. I don't usually patronize new places until they have a chance to settle in for a couple weeks and work the bugs out, but odds are good that I'm going to cave and wander down there on Friday.

Is Syracuse full up on Vietnamese places? Banh mi, so quick, easy, tasty!

 

[OttoMets]

Is Syracuse full up on Vietnamese places? Banh mi, so quick, easy, tasty!

Yeah, my guess is that we could probably diversify with some of the different regional cuisines (though I'm no expert on this), but we've got good coverage with some real high points: the banh mi at Ky Duyen is as good as any I've eaten, and New Century has Houston/Northern Virginia -quality pho and noodle dishes.

 

[Ghost]

I don't know what the city can do about it, but it's a probably -- both perception and reality, IMO. The street population has exploded in the last decade; you can't sit on a park bench and eat lunch without being imposed upon, so you've got to wonder how Salt City Market is going to address this.

We've got to help provide social services, but it would be nice if there were a way to do that while not affecting quality of life for the rest of us. (The easiest way to do that seems to be density, but it's a chicken and egg problem that's gotten worse during the pandemic: without more normal people around, normal people won't want to be around. The ratio is out of whack.)

Yeah, this isolates the issue quite well. It's such a delicate balance.

You have to make the area amenable to a large population with money to spend, but getting there is hard as there are so many considerations to look at and other populations impacted.

Ottawa does a really good job of somehow having a lot of missions in well populated/touristy areas, but not really impacting those areas. A bit, but not significantly. That being said, I can also point to areas that seem like they would flourish, but the proximity of certain crowds likely keep people away (where you would otherwise expect them). So, who knows how find the "sweet spot" - it's tough.

 

[shandeezy7]

Looks like opening day has been a success:

 

[OttoMets]

Looks like opening day has been a success:

It was packed. (Actually maybe a little too packed, considering there's a pandemic going on.) I couldn't order my top choice, because that was at by far the most popular shop.

But I enjoyed what I got, they got the order right, and it was nice to see such a random bunch of people turning out. That's literally more people than I've seen in a whole day downtown since March.

 

[shandeezy7]

It was packed. (Actually maybe a little too packed, considering there's a pandemic going on.) I couldn't order my top choice, because that was at by far the most popular shop.

But I enjoyed what I got, they got the order right, and it was nice to see such a random bunch of people turning out. That's literally more people than I've seen in a whole day downtown since March.

I'm curious what you got. I sent my wife that post and said that "Flowers and Juice" seems like a vendor right up her alley. We now have to make a visit next time we're in Syracuse.

 

[OttoMets]

I'm curious what you got. I sent my wife that post and said that "Flowers and Juice" seems like a vendor right up her alley. We now have to make a visit next time we're in Syracuse.

That place looked interesting (nothing I'd consider for my lunch, so I was gratified to see a lot of people there as well).

I just tried the Burmese joint across from Sley's soul food place (because they had nearly no line while Sley legitimately had 50 people crowded around a little after 1). Had a noodle dish that was solid, much more flavorful than the only other Burmese food I'd eaten before (from a funky second-floor dive in Chinatown in DC that's probably long gone).

As I stood in line, I was thinking to myself that I should hustle downtown at 11 tomorrow to get that long-awaited burger from Sley.

The shawarma from that Baghdad restaurant smelled amazing, but unfortunately I've eaten way too much shawarma in the last month and just wasn't in the mood.

 

[shandeezy7]

That place looked interesting (nothing I'd consider for my lunch, so I was gratified to see a lot of people there as well).

I just tried the Burmese joint across from Sley's soul food place (because they had nearly no line while Sley legitimately had 50 people crowded around a little after 1). Had a noodle dish that was solid, much more flavorful than the only other Burmese food I'd eaten before (from a funky second-floor dive in Chinatown in DC that's probably long gone).

As I stood in line, I was thinking to myself that I should hustle downtown at 11 tomorrow to get that long-awaited burger from Sley.

The shawarma from that Baghdad restaurant smelled amazing, but unfortunately I've eaten way too much shawarma in the last month and just wasn't in the mood.

Very nice. We have an Asian place here in Buffalo that my wife and I love called Street Asian Food. It's a husband and wife duo that must work 12 hour days at least (I've never been when they weren't there). They make dishes with Thai, Burmese, Japanese and South Asian influence. The Burmese flat noodles are so good.