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In particular, National Grid being remote for 23 months and counting has hurt a lot of businesses on that end of downtown. That's probably the better part of 800 or so employees who aren't eating lunch, picking up dry cleaning, etc.

As far as that deli goes, their exhaust system was terrible; I was waiting for a sandwich one day and left smelling like a diner. The food was OK, but I'm sorry they're gone.
More than 800 wfh. Hurt Kubal as well. Not sure it will ever be the same for office workers pre pandemic. Everyone is permanently wfh or hybrid across most industries.
 
We're mostly back to full-time office. A few people still WFH. I'm here probably 80% of the time. I was surprised to hear the Grid is still 100% WFH. So is Ramboll and a few others in that area.

However, Pasta's daily bread still has a decent line out the door every day. Kitty Hoynes has a good daily crowd. Margarita's is usually fairly full. There's a deli-type place Luna Food Lover on East Fayette St. Plus the Salt City Market is soaking up a lot of whatever daily lunch business is left down here.
 
I walked by this building a couple weeks ago and thought to myself "how have I never seen this before?" Well, because it was covered up with awful metal cladding that has been removed. Unfortunately, the original facade was no longer there, but I think they did a nice job with the new brick front. The before and after is great.


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I walked by this building a couple weeks ago and thought to myself "how have I never seen this before?" Well, because it was covered up with awful metal cladding that has been removed. Unfortunately, the original facade was no longer there, but I think they did a nice job with the new brick front. The before and after is great.
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As is the Szechuan restaurant inside!
 
Curious about the Intel announcement for the semi conductor plant in Ohio, and how does that affect the Clay proposition? Totally separate thing?
 
I'm not typically a nervous nelly when it comes to this stuff. I lived on the North Side for 14 years and watched it deteriorate and then make a come back on the block I lived on. Something is amiss here, I don't ever recall thinking twice about my safety when going to Destiny. Honestly, this could be the death knell


"Syracuse, N.Y. -- For the second time in three weeks, gunshots forced Destiny USA mall to close.

Multiple gunshots were fired near the mall just after 6:45 p.m. on Saturday, according to a tweet by Syracuse police and Onondaga County 911 dispatch reports.

Officers told dispatchers that they had chased several people into the mall’s underground garage, Syracuse police said.

“We are currently investigating a shots fired incident that just occurred at the Destiny USA Mall. This is not an active shooter,” the tweet by Syracuse police said. “If you are in the mall, you do not have to shelter in place. Find the nearest exit as the mall is now closed. No injuries reported.”
 
I am a hard no on this plan, hopefully it won't pass zoning between Clay and Salina although I am sure it probably will.


The Atlanta-based chain wants to build a 2,800-square-foot restaurant with drive-thru on four parcels at Sweetheart Corners.

The land for the restaurant would encompass four parcels, according to the plans. Two of the parcels are in Clay, and two are in North Syracuse. The restaurant would need a zone change for one quarter-acre parcel it wants to build on.

One of the parcels, at 3920 Brewerton Road, is home to Basil Leaf Ristorante...“There is a lot of interest in this corner,’' he said (owner of Basil Leaf). “Dunkin’ Donuts was interested and I get calls all the time from people,’' he said.

If he finalized an agreement to sell, DiRubbo said he would likely move his restaurant nearby.

The Chick-fil-A proposal calls for tearing down three buildings on the parcels...The restaurant would have some outdoor seating and 48 parking spaces.
 
I am a hard no on this plan, hopefully it won't pass zoning between Clay and Salina although I am sure it probably will.


The Atlanta-based chain wants to build a 2,800-square-foot restaurant with drive-thru on four parcels at Sweetheart Corners.

The land for the restaurant would encompass four parcels, according to the plans. Two of the parcels are in Clay, and two are in North Syracuse. The restaurant would need a zone change for one quarter-acre parcel it wants to build on.

One of the parcels, at 3920 Brewerton Road, is home to Basil Leaf Ristorante...“There is a lot of interest in this corner,’' he said (owner of Basil Leaf). “Dunkin’ Donuts was interested and I get calls all the time from people,’' he said.

If he finalized an agreement to sell, DiRubbo said he would likely move his restaurant nearby.

The Chick-fil-A proposal calls for tearing down three buildings on the parcels...The restaurant would have some outdoor seating and 48 parking spaces.

I don't have anything against that chain, but tearing down three corner structures to build a small drive-through with a big parking lot?

No.

It's like no lessons have been learned in the last 60 years.
 
I don't have anything against that chain, but tearing down three corner structures to build a small drive-through with a big parking lot?

No.

It's like no lessons have been learned in the last 60 years.
Agree, there are plenty of other places on Route 11 they could build. How about where the old Ponderosa Plaza is or Club 37? I believe those sites reside in both Clay and Salina as well. They'll find a site to build over here somewhere, hopefully it won't be Sweetheart Corners.

I have to believe one of the parcels they want to buy is The Clam Bar too which would be tragic. They've had their ups and downs the past few years but recently hired a new kitchen mgr. I had lunch there last Fri., steamed clams and a haddock sandwich - delicious.
 
Agree, there are plenty of other places on Route 11 they could build. How about where the old Ponderosa Plaza is or Club 37? I believe those sites reside in both Clay and Salina as well. They'll find a site to build over here somewhere, hopefully it won't be Sweetheart Corners.

I have to believe one of the parcels they want to buy is The Clam Bar too which would be tragic. They've had their ups and downs the past few years but recently hired a new kitchen mgr. I had lunch there last Fri., steamed clams and a haddock sandwich - delicious.
Yeah, hard no if it disrupts the Clam Bar. Plenty of locations that are need development.
 
I am a hard no on this plan, hopefully it won't pass zoning between Clay and Salina although I am sure it probably will.


The Atlanta-based chain wants to build a 2,800-square-foot restaurant with drive-thru on four parcels at Sweetheart Corners.

The land for the restaurant would encompass four parcels, according to the plans. Two of the parcels are in Clay, and two are in North Syracuse. The restaurant would need a zone change for one quarter-acre parcel it wants to build on.

One of the parcels, at 3920 Brewerton Road, is home to Basil Leaf Ristorante...“There is a lot of interest in this corner,’' he said (owner of Basil Leaf). “Dunkin’ Donuts was interested and I get calls all the time from people,’' he said.

If he finalized an agreement to sell, DiRubbo said he would likely move his restaurant nearby.

The Chick-fil-A proposal calls for tearing down three buildings on the parcels...The restaurant would have some outdoor seating and 48 parking spaces.


I love the Basil Leaf and that's a good location for it. The Clam Bar is good, too.
 
I drove past that corner this afternoon, it has to include the Clam Bar. There are two houses on the South Bay corner, the Basil Leaf & it's parking lot, Monroe Auto and the Clam Bar. They want presence on Route 11 so it wouldn't be the muffler place. Money talks, I wouldn't blame the owners if they sold but that would be a tragedy.
 
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I'm not sure we need another Chic-fil-a in the northern suburbs. This one will be 3.7 miles away from the one on Brewerton Road, and that one is 7 miles away from the one on Route 31. If anything you would think they would open one somewhere in Fairmount or Dewitt.
 
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I'm not sure we need another Chic-fil-a in the northern suburbs. This one will be 3.7 miles away from the one on Brewerton Road, and that one is 7 miles away from the one on Route 31. If anything you would think they would open one somewhere in Fairmount or Dewitt.
Put it in that old KMart plaza or the old Northern Lights.
 
Yeah, hard no if it disrupts the Clam Bar. Plenty of locations that are need development.

No offense; it may usually be tasty, but the Clam Bar is a filthy place with an awful kitchen.
 
No offense; it may usually be tasty, but the Clam Bar is a filthy place with an awful kitchen.
They hired a new kitchen mgr which was sorely needed. I don't disagree with your statement but I think/hope they have turned a corner for the better.
 

Now, Syracuse-based Pyramid is facing "imminent default" on its $237.7 million mortgage, which has been sent back for "special servicing" by KeyBank for the second time in the past two years, according to a bulletin from commercial real estate research firm Trepp LLC.

Pyramid is still current on its debt, but the 10-year loan is due in May with a massive balloon payment, and the property is now only worth $216 million – a big drop from $600 million when the loan was originated and sold in 2012. So Pyramid is asking the servicer for a five-year extension to give it more time.
 

Now, Syracuse-based Pyramid is facing "imminent default" on its $237.7 million mortgage, which has been sent back for "special servicing" by KeyBank for the second time in the past two years, according to a bulletin from commercial real estate research firm Trepp LLC.

Pyramid is still current on its debt, but the 10-year loan is due in May with a massive balloon payment, and the property is now only worth $216 million – a big drop from $600 million when the loan was originated and sold in 2012. So Pyramid is asking the servicer for a five-year extension to give it more time.
Kicking the can down the road
 

Now, Syracuse-based Pyramid is facing "imminent default" on its $237.7 million mortgage, which has been sent back for "special servicing" by KeyBank for the second time in the past two years, according to a bulletin from commercial real estate research firm Trepp LLC.

Pyramid is still current on its debt, but the 10-year loan is due in May with a massive balloon payment, and the property is now only worth $216 million – a big drop from $600 million when the loan was originated and sold in 2012. So Pyramid is asking the servicer for a five-year extension to give it more time.

Well, it's sad, and some may say Pyramid has had it coming for a long time. But this is not good news for any community. How many more Shoppingtowns, and Fayetteville Malls, and PennCan Malls have to close to realize this? Sure, there are big national tenants in all these malls (or, at least there used to be ...), but most of those smaller stores lining the hallways are local business owners or franchisees, just trying to make a living. Then consider the several thousand people working at retail at these stores. They will all be unemployed in a few years. Not a good thing.
 
Well, it's sad, and some may say Pyramid has had it coming for a long time. But this is not good news for any community. How many more Shoppingtowns, and Fayetteville Malls, and PennCan Malls have to close to realize this? Sure, there are big national tenants in all these malls (or, at least there used to be ...), but most of those smaller stores lining the hallways are local business owners or franchisees, just trying to make a living. Then consider the several thousand people working at retail at these stores. They will all be unemployed in a few years. Not a good thing.
not good but inevitable. the writing has been on the wall for a while.
 
Well, it's sad, and some may say Pyramid has had it coming for a long time. But this is not good news for any community. How many more Shoppingtowns, and Fayetteville Malls, and PennCan Malls have to close to realize this? Sure, there are big national tenants in all these malls (or, at least there used to be ...), but most of those smaller stores lining the hallways are local business owners or franchisees, just trying to make a living. Then consider the several thousand people working at retail at these stores. They will all be unemployed in a few years. Not a good thing.

Yeah it's definitely not a good thing, and as someone that HATES online shopping, especially for clothing, I find the trend of retail to be demoralizing. But it certainly seems to be inevitable at this point. Hopefully when these big malls bite the dust, they can be redeveloped more quickly than some of these other malls that you mentioned. Don't want to see that property sit vacant and decrepit for two decades.
 

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