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[Briancuse]

Also. I think MW has a pulse of the program a lot better then a lot people on this board.

I would hope so, he is around the team a majority of the time, I am 400 miles away.

 

[jekelish]

I don't care for the "I heard this" from people on this board outside of Jake, Bees, and CTO and the couple others.

Makes everyone think and believe they r an insider.

Right, because no one else has any actual connections. Good call.

 

[CuseHulk]

It's called due diligence.

So lets not recruit or look at any foreign players in the future then.

Sarcasm.

Due diligence easier said then done. I'm sure they did, only so much can do.

Again gotta put trust in the High school. And the people on that level.

 

[two3zone]

I don't care for the "I heard this" from people on this board outside of Jake, Bees, and CTO and the couple others.

Makes everyone think and believe they r an insider.

They don't sit in the 300s, so your logic is flawed.

 

[two3zone]

So lets not recruit or look at any foreign players in the future then.

Sarcasm.

Due diligence easier said then done. I'm sure they did, only so much can do.

Again gotta put trust in the High school. And the people on that level.

Due diligence is is due diligence, how is it easier said then done?

Who the hell am I going to trust? A powerhouse college with over a billion in endowment or some Rochester High School.

 

[CuseHulk]

Due diligence is is due diligence, how is it easier said then done?

Who the hell am I going to trust? A powerhouse college with over a billion in endowment or some Rochester High School.

I graduated with a bunch of foreign kids. African, Asian, Bosnian.

Many of whom were not born in the USA and had came to the United States during High School many coming in (Didn't start with me Freshman year) I played on the soccer team with a bunch of these kids.

Should we go back and look at their transcripts. Too see if they had those core requirements when they were in high school in their home countries. Should they be looked at differently because they started high school in another country.

 

[tee1222]

 

[jekelish]

I graduated with a bunch of foreign kids. African, Asian, Bosnian.

Many of whom were not born in the USA and had came to the United States during High School many coming in (Didn't start with me Freshman year) I played on the soccer team with a bunch of these kids.

Should we go back and look at their transcripts. Too see if they had those core requirements when they were in high school in their home countries. Should they be looked at differently because they started high school in another country.

You went to a very diverse preschool.

 

[Hoov50]

The part of this that is the most frustrating is that Kentuckt somehow just recruited a five star kid from Australia who somehow has the coursework to change his class from '16 to '15. I bet the NCAA doesn't even peek at that kid's courses.

 

[two3zone]

I graduated with a bunch of foreign kids. African, Asian, Bosnian.

Many of whom were not born in the USA and had came to the United States during High School many coming in (Didn't start with me Freshman year) I played on the soccer team with a bunch of these kids.

Should we go back and look at their transcripts. Too see if they had those core requirements when they were in high school in their home countries. Should they be looked at differently because they started high school in another country.

ABSOLUTELY!! I'm not being sarcastic at all. If a kid hasn't done the same work as other kids in his class there is a major problem. Not only is it not fair to the kids that have done their work, but it's not fair to the kids in the class that have to sit at a different level of learning while the teachers are trying to bring this kids up to speed. Why should you or any kid in school have further education ripped from them because the teacher is getting kids that don't belong there further education.

I too went to school with kids that came from other countries, not a lot of them but the ones that were not picking it up were held back so they could be brought to the correct level. Granted I graduated high school in the 90s but the same isn't being done today and it's insane that it's not.

 

[two3zone]

The part of this that is the most frustrating is that Kentuckt somehow just recruited a five star kid from Australia who somehow has the coursework to change his class from '16 to '15. I bet the NCAA doesn't even peek at that kid's courses.

I'm willing to bet schools in Australia are more on the United States level than it is in Senegal.

 

[longtimefan]

ABSOLUTELY!! I'm not being sarcastic at all. If a kid hasn't done the same work as other kids in his class there is a major problem. Not only is it not fair to the kids that have done their work, but it's not fair to the kids in the class that have to sit at a different level of learning while the teachers are trying to bring this kids up to speed. Why should you or any kid in school have further education ripped from them because the teacher is getting kids that don't belong there further education.

I too went to school with kids that came from other countries, not a lot of them but the ones that were not picking it up were held back so they could be brought to the correct level. Granted I graduated high school in the 90s but the same isn't being done today and it's insane that it's not.

But--

Doesn't logic dictate that if the student competently handled Soph-Junior-Senior course work in his US high school, he must have had sufficient academic basics in place before enrolling there?

 

[two3zone]

But--

Doesn't logic dictate that if the student competently handled Soph-Junior-Senior course work in his US high school, he must have had sufficient academic basics in place before enrolling there?

You would think, but none of us really know what classes he was taking and if he was just pushed through the door with a degree. Unfortunately that happens to non-athletes and athletes.

 

[cuseguy]

But how does this relate when a portion of the core requirements were assumed to have been met in a foreign country. Difficult enough to evaluate state to state but how can anyone pretend to be able to evaluate every potential COUNTRY a prospective student athlete comes from.

This isn't a new thing. When you recruit a kid who attended school in another country, your compliance people need to be aware of this.

 

[cuseguy]

Unfair. Yeah let's check every single incoming Scholarship athlete's in all sports men and women. And core requirements bull. Gotta put some trust in the High School.

Sure, could fall on his high school as well. But if you know a kid went to school in another country, someone needs to check his background.

 

[cuseguy]

Correct. Bailey WOULD write an article despite not having anything official to report, chock full of unsubstantiated, pointless speculation. But such articles don't serve any purpose, and wouldn't have told us anything new.

But Waters knows that it involves classes he took in Africa. I didn't know that until I found out today that he reported that on the radio.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

This isn't a new thing. When you recruit a kid who attended school in another country, your compliance people need to be aware of this.

Did we even have compliance people before July 1?

 

[IthacaMatt]

But how does this relate when a portion of the core requirements were assumed to have been met in a foreign country. Difficult enough to evaluate state to state but how can anyone pretend to be able to evaluate every potential COUNTRY a prospective student athlete comes from.

Isn't that the purpose of standardized tests? To balance out the questions about the quality of the HS curriculum with an objective standardized test score. If a HS admits a kid into a certain grade after transferring from overseas, it seems to me that the NCAA ought to really only look at whether the kid completed his US education successfully. That is, if he was classified as a sophomore when he arrived, start him as a soph and adjust the minimum number of credits, etc., proportionately. This doesn't have to be so hard or so arbitrary.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Grant could have raised his stock by staying, ditto to Ennis. If you're a first round pick you bolt. McCullough did that. If he tailed off one bit or had a year like his freshman year he falls out of the first round. He made the right move.

When was Bryant a lock? Seems to me even before the penalties he was still adding and subtracting teams from his list.

Both of them played substantial time at SU. What did McCullough play, 9 games? Bryant's mother was in the press talking about SU and Boeheim mentioned that we had a secret recruit at one of the season ending dinners.

 

[two3zone]

Both of them played substantial time at SU. What did McCullough play, 9 games? Bryant's mother was in the press talking about SU and Boeheim mentioned that we had a secret recruit at one of the season ending dinners.

Bryant's mother spoke but what did Bryant have to say? Every quote I read from the horses mouth Bryant was praising Kentucky and IU, he really didn't have much to say about Syracuse.

 

[two3zone]

Isn't that the purpose of standardized tests? To balance out the questions about the quality of the HS curriculum with an objective standardized test score. If a HS admits a kid into a certain grade after transferring from overseas, it seems to me that the NCAA ought to really only look at whether the kid completed his US education successfully. That is, if he was classified as a sophomore when he arrived, start him as a soph and adjust the minimum number of credits, etc., proportionately. This doesn't have to be so hard or so arbitrary.

Then you see schools like "prime prep" doing what they were doing and remaining open when all they're doing is robbing kids of a proper education.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Id assume hed stay overseas and play pro ball correct? If he is denied of course

 

[TinyManInside]

When has he heard anything before its been official? Seriously I don't think he has great lines of info into the SU BBall program on anything important.

He knows what's going on, believe me. He doesn't work for a messageboard, he works for a newspaper.

 

[AZOrange]

But Waters knows that it involves classes he took in Africa. I didn't know that until I found out today that he reported that on the radio.

mike reported that diagne won't qualify because of classes?

 

[llandz]

Somebody please play devil's advocate and tell me what the logical train of thought is for the NCAA denying eligibility over freshman classes taken in another country.

What exactly are they trying to prevent from happening that would be considered either an unfair advantage for the team recruiting the player or special treatment for an athlete-student over a normal student?

The problem is your use of the work "logical"