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[orangenauburn]

Since P was let go, in twenty seasons, the program still has fewer wins than P did in his tenure on the hill as HC.

He went 107-59-1

Since then the program is 100-143.

Program legit needs Fran to be a 9-4 coach for the next decade.

 

[Cusefan69]

Since P was let go, in twenty seasons, the program still has fewer wins than P did in his tenure on the hill as HC.

He went 107-59-1

Since then the program is 100-143.

Program legit needs Fran to be a 9-4 coach for the next decade.

 

[wfschrec]

Look I'm thankful for the job he did but for context only 5 of his seasons did his SOS exceed that of Fran's this year ... only 5 of 14. The fact is after riding the coat tails of what Mac left behind when he beat OSU and Colorado in major bowls other than beating Clemson he was shredded in major bowl games (KSU, UF) and the program was on a slow downward spiral under his leadership. After McNabb left and took his superhuman abilities with him other than 2001 he was a relatively poor recruiter and he subjected the fanbase to some awful losses like Georgia Tech.

 

[Cusefan95]

I suspect over the course of the last 20 years, our record was going to be similar that 100-143 - it didn’t matter if Coach P was fired after ‘04, ‘05, or ‘06 (and I can’t see him lasting any longer than that). Syracuse had under-invested in athletics since the Dome was built, and by the 90’s we were far, far behind many of our peers. We had administrations that took winning for granted/were incompetent/had other pressing priorities (choose any or all).

Firing a guy after a bowl is a catastrophically bad idea - they should have used that to quietly start a coaching search and replaced Coach P after ‘05 if/when it didn’t go well. My guess is Shaw and Jake had successfully incinerated all the equity they had with fans with their disastrous PR debacles and felt they had no choice - but that’s on them for completely screwing up every time they talked to the media. But Coach P took the fall for it.

When I look at the administrations the school has had in my lifetime, I’m baffled how in the hell Syracuse ever won anything. We won in spite of the leadership, not because of it

 

[wfschrec]

I suspect over the course of the last 20 years, our record was going to be similar that 100-143 - it didn’t matter if Coach P was fired after ‘04, ‘05, or ‘06 (and I can’t see him lasting any longer than that). Syracuse had under-invested in athletics since the Dome was built, and by the 90’s we were far, far behind many of our peers. We had administrations that took winning for granted/were incompetent/had other pressing priorities (choose any or all).

Firing a guy after a bowl is a catastrophically bad idea - they should have used that to quietly start a coaching search and replaced Coach P after ‘05 if/when it didn’t go well. My guess is Shaw and Jake had successfully incinerated all the equity they had with fans with their disastrous PR debacles and felt they had no choice - but that’s on them for completely screwing up every time they talked to the media. But Coach P took the fall for it.

When I look at the administrations the school has had in my lifetime, I’m baffled how in the hell Syracuse ever won anything. Were won in spite of the leadership, not because of it

Who would have thought telling people to get a life would be so damaging? LOL

 

[OrgTruckPat]

I suspect over the course of the last 20 years, our record was going to be similar that 100-143 - it didn’t matter if Coach P was fired after ‘04, ‘05, or ‘06 (and I can’t see him lasting any longer than that). Syracuse had under-invested in athletics since the Dome was built, and by the 90’s we were far, far behind many of our peers. We had administrations that took winning for granted/were incompetent/had other pressing priorities (choose any or all).

Firing a guy after a bowl is a catastrophically bad idea - they should have used that to quietly start a coaching search and replaced Coach P after ‘05 if/when it didn’t go well. My guess is Shaw and Jake had successfully incinerated all the equity they had with fans with their disastrous PR debacles and felt they had no choice - but that’s on them for completely screwing up every time they talked to the media. But Coach P took the fall for it.

When I look at the administrations the school has had in my lifetime, I’m baffled how in the hell Syracuse ever won anything. We won in spite of the leadership, not because of it

Nailed it

 

[orangenauburn]

I suspect over the course of the last 20 years, our record was going to be similar that 100-143 - it didn’t matter if Coach P was fired after ‘04, ‘05, or ‘06 (and I can’t see him lasting any longer than that). Syracuse had under-invested in athletics since the Dome was built, and by the 90’s we were far, far behind many of our peers. We had administrations that took winning for granted/were incompetent/had other pressing priorities (choose any or all).

Firing a guy after a bowl is a catastrophically bad idea - they should have used that to quietly start a coaching search and replaced Coach P after ‘05 if/when it didn’t go well. My guess is Shaw and Jake had successfully incinerated all the equity they had with fans with their disastrous PR debacles and felt they had no choice - but that’s on them for completely screwing up every time they talked to the media. But Coach P took the fall for it.

When I look at the administrations the school has had in my lifetime, I’m baffled how in the hell Syracuse ever won anything. We won in spite of the leadership, not because of it

If I recall, Bo Pelini openly politicked for the job after P and we didn't entertain him.

I believe Les Miles was another name that had interest that we didn't pursue.

 

[sdhall01]

Since P was let go, in twenty seasons, the program still has fewer wins than P did in his tenure on the hill as HC.

He went 107-59-1

Since then the program is 100-143.

Program legit needs Fran to be a 9-4 coach for the next decade.

Honestly, I thought that record was going to be worse. We have had a lot of STINKER years since Coach P. I sometimes forget we had a few of 8-5 seasons under HCDM and a bowl win under HCSS.

 

[shu 49]

Look I'm thankful for the job he did but for context only 5 of his seasons did his SOS exceed that of Fran's this year ... only 5 of 14. The fact is after riding the coat tails of what Mac left behind when he beat OSU and Colorado in major bowls other than beating Clemson he was shredded in major bowl games (KSU, UF) and the program was on a slow downward spiral under his leadership. After McNabb left and took his superhuman abilities with him other than 2001 he was a relatively poor recruiter and he subjected the fanbase to some awful losses like Georgia Tech.

I am with ya as i loved coach, i just thought we always left alot on the table. Didnt the year we lost to Tennesse in Dome we had five first round draft picks on the team or was it more. That team was loaded and better than T and we lost a game i still feel coach gave away. We would beat great teams and then let down. We did always have talent, i just think he was extremely conservative. Never tried to win, just didnt want to lose.

 

[wfschrec]

I am with ya as i loved coach, i just thought we always left alot on the table. Didnt the year we lost to Tennesse in Dome we had five first round draft picks on the team or was it more. That team was loaded and better than T and we lost a game i still feel coach gave away. We would beat great teams and then let down. We did always have talent, i just think he was extremely conservative. Never tried to win, just didnt want to lose.

No but it did have Bulluck, McNabb, Konrad, Kevin Johnson who were all top half of the draft just not all 1st rounders.

 

[All4SU]

Since P was let go, in twenty seasons, the program still has fewer wins than P did in his tenure on the hill as HC.

He went 107-59-1

Since then the program is 100-143.

Program legit needs Fran to be a 9-4 coach for the next decade.

“Don’t always seem to go… you don’t know what you’ve got ‘till it’s gone…”

 

[phreddie]

Coach P had the greatest QB in SU history for 4 years, and never won 10 games.

 

[sufandu]

I am with ya as i loved coach, i just thought we always left alot on the table. Didnt the year we lost to Tennesse in Dome we had five first round draft picks on the team or was it more. That team was loaded and better than T and we lost a game i still feel coach gave away. We would beat great teams and then let down. We did always have talent, i just think he was extremely conservative. Never tried to win, just didnt want to lose.

You may have to go to '97 to get right around 5 future first rounders since Darius and Tebucky were on that team. We could include Freeney as a future first rounder on the '98 team, but he didn't play much as a freshman. He needed to put on size and I think he had a nagging ankle thing that hampered him that year.

 

[SkyTopBus44]

Fished in with the subject line! Nice tease. Did not realize it was going to be a throw back Coach P revisit. The boards are so funny in the summer! 33 days till the season starts

 

[wfschrec]

Coach P had the greatest QB in SU history for 4 years, and never won 10 games.

This ^

 

[orangenauburn]

Fished in with the subject line! Nice tease. Did not realize it was going to be a throw back Coach P revisit. The boards are so funny in the summer! 33 days till the season starts

Lol

In all honesty wasnt intended to be a Pro P anti P post. I'm in the camp that he overachieved with the finances and support he had, yet underachieved with the talent he had.

I'm just amazed that the program still hasn't eclipsed his win total two decades later.

 

[wfschrec]

Lol

In all honesty wasnt intended to be a Pro P anti P post. I'm in the camp that he overachieved with the finances and support he had, yet underachieved with the talent he had.

I'm just amazed that the program still hasn't eclipsed his win total two decades later.

He out kicked his coverage LOL

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Coach P had the greatest QB in SU history for 4 years, and never won 10 games.

Uh, Greg Paulus played for Marrone.

 

[CNYGuy]

Coach P had the greatest QB in SU history for 4 years, and never won 10 games.

In fairness, they only played 11 regular season games back then. But in that same context, I hope the casual fan appreciates what we did last season and are doing now and fill the Dome this season, despite a lackluster list of opponents on the home schedule.

 

[Cusefan95]

Lol

In all honesty wasnt intended to be a Pro P anti P post. I'm in the camp that he overachieved with the finances and support he had, yet underachieved with the talent he had.

I'm just amazed that the program still hasn't eclipsed his win total two decades later.

I don’t have much of a problem with Coach P as a coach, other than he tended to get very conservative and play not to lose. Although that does give an indication of his personalty trait - that he’s a conservative guy unwilling to rock the boat - that was his biggest weakness and my biggest gripe. Both he and Jake knew Syracuse was not investing enough in football - but rather than go public or take other jobs, they overprioritized “loyalty” and tried to make an impossible situation work.

The result was always going to be that they left behind an absolute dumpster fire of a program which was going to be hard to rebuild. That doesn’t excuse the decisions Coach P had nothing to do with that didn’t help dig Syracuse out of the hole and just made things worse - but we should be able to acknowledge he himself shares some of the blame for why we have fewer wins in the 20 years since he left that he had in his Syracuse career. Our substandard facilities were always going to become a major issue.

 

[Nick44]

Coach P had the greatest QB in SU history for 4 years, and never won 10 games.

It’s worse than this. He not only had the best QB, he had double digit players that went on to have long careers in the NFL just during the McNabb years alone. The program underwhelmed during this period with the talent that it had in the league it was in during that time.

We use to joke about the recurring things that would plague the program…..penalties, McNabb fumbles, general stubbornness etc but it added up and held back the program from any thing more than 8-9 wins a year.

 

[Jcuse_44]

Who would have thought telling people to get a life would be so damaging? LOL

" THIS IS A ONE HORSE TOWN"

 

[OrgTruckPat]

" THIS IS A ONE HORSE TOWN"

Well, Jake sure was the biggest horse's ass in town

 

[Dinkyspond]

Honestly, I thought that record was going to be worse. We have had a lot of STINKER years since Coach P. I sometimes forget we had a few of 8-5 seasons under HCDM and a bowl win under HCSS.

Grob, Shafer and the 1-10 Covid year are main reasons we are 43 games under .500. The one 4-8 under Marrone and the two 4-8s under Babers didn’t help either.

 

[orangenauburn]

Grob, Shafer and the 1-10 Covid year are main reasons we are 43 games under .500. The one 4-8 under Marrone and the two 4-8s under Babers didn’t help either.

Fair enough

Take out Greg and we go to 95-106