Dino’s H0t Seat Rankings

[Dick_in_MI]

Over the long haul, winning % can be a crude but obvious tool if you believe the guy can’t get it done. It’s not *why* you fire a coach - it’s how you explain that you’ve lost faith in the coach to reach the goals laid out (that’s why you fire a coach). This is counter to how fans look at it - but I think central to how AD’s look at it.

I think the AD and fans look at more than gross winning %, although that is a biggie. It is also winning % vs teams in your conference, winning % vs what are considered peer schools, winning % vs P5 teams, number of winning seasons vs the entirety of tenure. Recency bias is a factor, both positive and negative, as well as whether the coach has hit the goals that were pre-established. Those all play a role.

No administrator worth his or her salt wants his program to be perceived, both in-conference and nationally, as a doormat. Even more-so when that administrator didn't make the hire in the first place.

All that aside, I think Dino probably gets retained with 5 wins even though the majority of P5 programs would not do so given the entirety of his tenure. You may be right that he gets retained regardless, although then it kind of goes back to my second paragraph.

 

[Cuse181]

Remember that LSU fan's ideal season: beat 'Bama, win the SEC, win the National Championship, #1 recruiting class, fire the head coach.

Why can't that be the culture here? We've gotten soft fellow Yanks. We're supposed to be the stone cold MFs that are so crazy no one would dare mess with us.

When you have multiple multi-millionaire boosters who are willing to drop stacks to upgrade facilities and buyout coaches, we can have that culture but until then we are in the everlasting grey area of shifting goals (make money through a quality product, or penny pinch to avoid going into the red one due to a mediocre one).

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Umm...Ensley who built the indoor facility, the guy who dropped $25 million, What are they, chopped liver?

 

[storange]

Umm...Ensley who built the indoor facility, the guy who dropped $25 million, What are they, chopped liver?

Aye , was there not another donor that gave 25m for football facilities after that ?

 

[dasher]

Didn't we win 10 game's in 2001 and 10 games three years ago? That Dungey team wasn't more entertaining than this one?

 

[bevosu]

Didn't we win 10 game's in 2001 and 10 games three years ago? That Dungey team wasn't more entertaining than this one?

That Dungey team was so entertaining a lot of posters on this board thought that it was a corner turner and the subsequent years would be sunshine and lollipops. Devito was our savior.

You never know.

 

[All4SU]

This whole thing just feels like the “Sack Mac Pack” from 1986.

 

[blust2i3d4]

It continues to surprise me about all the anti Dino rhetoric. This team is the most enjoyable we’ve had since Mcnabb. VERY easily, the team could have only one or two losses. AND it’s on the rise. Settle down everyone.

And the young team has a good quarterback who is only sophomore. The team also has good offense line and good running back. If we can add good wide receiver next season, then SU will go back to top 25 at least. NY6 bowl is also not out of reach.

 

[sufandu]

Umm...Ensley who built the indoor facility, the guy who dropped $25 million, What are they, chopped liver?

That's not the regular. Look at how much other schools are getting on a regular basis for facilities. On the whole the LSU's dwarf what we get.

 

[suorange08]

I think the AD and fans look at more than gross winning %, although that is a biggie. It is also winning % vs teams in your conference, winning % vs what are considered peer schools, winning % vs P5 teams, number of winning seasons vs the entirety of tenure. Recency bias is a factor, both positive and negative, as well as whether the coach has hit the goals that were pre-established. Those all play a role.

No administrator worth his or her salt wants his program to be perceived, both in-conference and nationally, as a doormat. Even more-so when that administrator didn't make the hire in the first place.

All that aside, I think Dino probably gets retained with 5 wins even though the majority of P5 programs would not do so given the entirety of his tenure. You may be right that he gets retained regardless, although then it kind of goes back to my second paragraph.

Agree though I think he's retained regardless. I thought he wasn't getting fired even at 3-9 due to how much more competitive the team has been. The VT road win should cement it.

 

[Killdozer]

I agree. Let's get to a bowl this year and build a stronger team for the future!

We got to a bowl in 2018, didn't work out to well after that. I have very little confidence in DB until he proves that he can stop making bad coaching decisions and string together winning seasons.

 

[Ozcuse]

I disagree - respectfully. Both 2012 and 2018 were very fun - for sure. But I'd argue this team is better - despite the 4-4 record. 2012 we finished very strongly and went 8-5 - including some miracle wins (Missouri game was one I recall). With Marrone - we eked out wins. At the very end of 2012, the team was clicking and won its bowl game easily - but it wasn't a great team by any measure.

2018 was also a joy - and getting to 10 wins incredible - unbelievable, frankly. (I admit, it's a tougher argument for me to say the current team is better than 2018, but this is my opinion.)

I'll argue that this team is more dynamic, stronger on defense and has a bigger upside - horrible special teams notwithstanding. We have lost 4 games by an aggregate 19 points. You can all mock me if we finish 4-8 - have at it! But if the trend continues, as I hope, this is turning into a very good year. And I hope an even better one in '22.

Uhh sir to knock on 2012 because we “eked out wins” this year we eked out Liberty and we eked out Virginia Tech. Our other two wins were over the sisters of the poor state.

 

[Cuse'91]

We got to a bowl in 2018, didn't work out to well after that. I have very little confidence in DB until he proves that he can stop making bad coaching decisions and string together winning seasons.

Hopefully, what separates next year and 2019, is that we will have the "engine" that powers the team returning. Dungey was that engine in 2018, just as Shrader and Tucker are for this current team. Both will, in all likelihood, be back. In other words, next year's team, should be "Dino proof."

 

[orangemass]

The fact that out team needs to be dino proof is an indictment no?

 

[rrlbees]

The fact that out team needs to be dino proof is an indictment no?

no, because it’s so overblown it’s ridiculous.

 

[dasher]

no, because it’s so overblown it’s ridiculous.

Sadly, it isn't. There was zero reason to kick the extra pt when we were up 4 with :19 to go. None. Two choices. Go for 2 (by running) to get it to 6 or fall on the ball. There are no 4 or 5 pt plays. And it's an every game type of thing. He is a good coach. He finds hidden talent. He coaches them up. He isn't good at game management. That isn't a crime. He needs help. The fact that he doesn't see that is the bigger problem.

 

[Cuse'91]

The fact that out team needs to be dino proof is an indictment no?

I'm just hoping the 4-6 points a game that Dino might cost us; won't matter because we are winning by an average of 14 points next year.

 

[CuseCactus]

Uhh sir to knock on 2012 because we “eked out wins” this year we eked out Liberty and we eked out Virginia Tech. Our other two wins were over the sisters of the poor state.

Look - I loved the 2012 team - don’t get me wrong. But we lost to Minnesota, Rutgers, Northwestern, beat USF by 1, almost lost to Stony Brook, beat Mizzou on the last play, beat Pitt by 1 and had wins against Temple, and UConn. It was a hanging by fingernails season.

I think this years team is better - and I’m hoping an example is made on Saturday against BC.

In any event - I’m totally enjoying each game and hope it will only get better.

 

[Orangello]

6 years is a pretty substantial body of evidence. Let's see how this plays out but 27-40 (hopefully 28 after tomorrow) doesn't cut it. I think its somewhat crazy TTech fired their coach but, I agree with the AD's general views. We should all expect more.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm just hoping the 4-6 points a game that Dino might cost us; won't matter because we are winning by an average of 14 points next year.

thats ridiculous. 4-6 points a game. Ok.

 

[tbonezone]

6 years is a pretty substantial body of evidence. Let's see how this plays out but 27-40 (hopefully 28 after tomorrow) doesn't cut it. I think its somewhat crazy TTech fired their coach but, I agree with the AD's general views. We should all expect more.

if you're thrilled and elated with that record then i wanna pull your name for secret santa. clearly not easily disappointed with whatever crap you get.
" oh look ! is that one sock ? how wonderful ! and look there's even a hole in it to make it a little roomier !"

 

[orangenauburn]

6 years is a pretty substantial body of evidence. Let's see how this plays out but 27-40 (hopefully 28 after tomorrow) doesn't cut it. I think its somewhat crazy TTech fired their coach but, I agree with the AD's general views. We should all expect more.

If he finishes 8-5 this year and goes 9-4 the next two years, we'd all look silly for our posts this year.

They have the talent to do exactly that on this team now.

 

[Cuse'91]

thats ridiculous. 4-6 points a game. Ok.

Notice I wrote "might" cost us.
Well, what's your number? Do you think Dino's coaching decisions have been so good that he's on the plus side of the tally?

 

[sufandu]

Hopefully, what separates next year and 2019, is that we will have the "engine" that powers the team returning. Dungey was that engine in 2018, just as Shrader and Tucker are for this current team. Both will, in all likelihood, be back. In other words, next year's team, should be "Dino proof."

Dino proof? Who recruited those two? Who hired our current DC? The guy has made mistakes. Find me a coach who doesn't. He's also the architect of the team.

 

[Cuse'91]

Dino proof? Who recruited those two? Who hired our current DC? The guy has made mistakes. Find me a coach who doesn't. He's also the architect of the team.

Yes, I'm talking about in game decisions.
Also, how about the recruiting failures? Hiring his son in law's father as quarterbacks coach?