Dino’s H0t Seat Rankings

[sufandu]

True but the entire staff and more importantly the players new Shrader was good.
Dino screwed up hiring Martin and Cav. Both disasters.
The guy runs a good program and i personally think he has recruited well given the losing records.
He is an average game coach and terrible at clock management. Hopefully he can improve in both areas.
What i do like very much is that the kids seem to like and more importantly respect him. I think that he hit a home run with coach white and schmidt and Gilbert is starting to come along.
Shrader is here for 2 more years and if he can keep Tucker which i believe he will although this is definitely not a given, we have an opportunity to be a good team. 7 wins or more the next two years.
Its unfortunate that his poor decisions cost us minimally 2 games but at this point i do believe its best that he is retained with a restructured contract.
The VT win was huge for the program as the administration was in a very difficult spot because of the buyout. Hopefully JW has learned from this and now realizes that buyouts work both ways.
We should win today and hopefully can grab one more.
Go Orange!

I whole heartedly agree he screwed up those hires. I think those set us back a couple years. I think another thing about the QB decision was that he had to figure out how much of TD's problems were him versus the bad olines. I too wish the switch had been made sooner. Although, I remember posting earlier in the season that it didn't look like we had a QB. The guy who could avoid pressure and run couldn't throw and the guy with the arm couldn't avoid pressure. I'm curious how much Shrader has progressed throughout the season. Has he evolved that much to where the decision wasn't obvious in the moment or, had the decision been made earlier, would he have become more comfortable faster? I've been leaning toward the latter, but I could see where it's a combination of the two.

Overall, I guess my point has been I understand Dino has his faults. Given that I've seen him recognize mistakes and correct them and that he has shown to be willing to adapt, at this point I'm willing to accept them because of the good things he's done.

 

[CuseMan4]

Dino can make the seat real cold by winning at least 2 of the next 4 and getting us to a bowl game.

Even colder if he wins 4 out of the next 5 and we win 9 next year.

 

[Cuse181]

Maybe you missed earlier in the game when they blocked the extra and ran it back. Kicking it is the one thing you can't do. It doesn't help at all. There is no difference between 4 and 5. How can you not understand that? If you are worried about them converting a turnover, fall on the ball and go kick off. You just don't kick the extra pt. There is nothing to gain by doing that. At least going for 2, you can be up 6. And by the way, that is what a TD is worth. You would at least make them kick an extra pt if they did score. to kick the extra pt is the dumbest thing you can do. It adds risk and gives you nothing. It is simple math.

Kicking the xp is the lowest risk play. Teams convert >99.8% of extra points, meaning going up 6 is a formality at most compared to anything else over 3. You have a far higher % chance of a fumble or interception return for 2 than you do a block xp (granted we are talking minuscule numbers) Maybe you didn’t see the other 3 xp that did go through the uprights. You’re likely just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, but if you can’t guarantee a 7 point lead you don’t risk losing on a FG. That’s a classic Monday morning take that would hold zero weight on Saturday or Sunday.

 

[Killdozer]

Does this mean you’ll be complaining for two more years?

All I ask for is that head coach gets the team to a bowl game. In addition, not lose games due to bad decisions. Any other school DB would have been fired by now.

 

[orangenauburn]

All I ask for is that head coach gets the team to a bowl game. In addition, not lose games due to bad decisions. Any other school DB would have been fired by now.

Wrong.

At UConn he'd be enshrined

 

[richard levy]

Name those schools. It absolutely happens, but more fail than succeed. And if you're not referencing P5 schools, I don't care. Fuente was one of those hot coaches that turned around a bad Memphis team and now he's on the hot seat at VPI. Babers turned around Eastern Illinois before moving on to success at Bowling Green. Coaches that are good at one place don't always stay good when they step in competition. Successful coordinators at highly successful schools often fall flat on their face when stepping up to a head coaching role at a place with more challenges than where they came from. It's not straight forward.

Name the P5 teams similar to SU (private school in an area with poor high school football prospects with the record we had for 10 years prior to Dino's arrival) that immediately turned around this year. If it happens every year, it shouldn't be hard.

You are right, it doesn't happen often, but i will give you one. James Franklin, with no previous HC experience, taking over a Vanderbilt program that had gone 2-10, 2-10, and in his first year went 6-6, went to bowl, then 9-4 and 9-4 with two bowl wins, before departing for Penn St

 

[FloridaFan]

We should be making a bowl 9 years out of 10. You get 1/6th of the way there for free with an FCS win. All you have to do is just win 3 P5 games if you win your two OOC non P5 games. It’s amazing how people are okay with failure

 

[dasher]

Kicking the xp is the lowest risk play. Teams convert >99.8% of extra points, meaning going up 6 is a formality at most compared to anything else over 3. You have a far higher % chance of a fumble or interception return for 2 than you do a block xp (granted we are talking minuscule numbers) Maybe you didn’t see the other 3 xp that did go through the uprights. You’re likely just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, but if you can’t guarantee a 7 point lead you don’t risk losing on a FG. That’s a classic Monday morning take that would hold zero weight on Saturday or Sunday.

It is amazing that you can't grasp that there was no reason to kick the xtra pt. None. It didn't help us in any way but did open the possibility for them to block it and score 2 pts. Kicking the xtra pt was just dumb. Unless you know of a way for a team to score a 5 pt play. I will give you the opportunity to tell me what advantage kicking the pt gave us?

 

[Bayside44]

Maybe you missed earlier in the game when they blocked the extra and ran it back. Kicking it is the one thing you can't do. It doesn't help at all. There is no difference between 4 and 5. How can you not understand that? If you are worried about them converting a turnover, fall on the ball and go kick off. You just don't kick the extra pt. There is nothing to gain by doing that. At least going for 2, you can be up 6. And by the way, that is what a TD is worth. You would at least make them kick an extra pt if they did score. to kick the extra pt is the dumbest thing you can do. It adds risk and gives you nothing. It is simple math.

I analytically agree with this. But, in the heat of the moment the holder catching it and falling on it, or take a snap, whatever, is when goofy things can happen (as opposed to something practiced thousands of times - and I know the block) seems like it can be too cute by a half.

Bigger stage obviously, but I was happy when Bradshaw fell into the endzone against the Pats instead of taking a knee. Do what you're supposed to do there.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We should be making a bowl 9 years out of 10. You get 1/6th of the way there for free with an FCS win. All you have to do is just win 3 P5 games if you win your two OOC non P5 games. It’s amazing how people are okay with failure

I agree, that isn't a crazy expectation.

 

[TheCusian]

True but the entire staff and more importantly the players new Shrader was good.
Dino screwed up hiring Martin and Cav. Both disasters.
The guy runs a good program and i personally think he has recruited well given the losing records.
He is an average game coach and terrible at clock management. Hopefully he can improve in both areas.
What i do like very much is that the kids seem to like and more importantly respect him. I think that he hit a home run with coach white and schmidt and Gilbert is starting to come along.
Shrader is here for 2 more years and if he can keep Tucker which i believe he will although this is definitely not a given, we have an opportunity to be a good team. 7 wins or more the next two years.
Its unfortunate that his poor decisions cost us minimally 2 games but at this point i do believe its best that he is retained with a restructured contract.
The VT win was huge for the program as the administration was in a very difficult spot because of the buyout. Hopefully JW has learned from this and now realizes that buyouts work both ways.
We should win today and hopefully can grab one more.
Go Orange!

Every HC since P has made bad hires (I’m sure P did too).

Robinson - enough said
Marrone - that Clemson guy who ran too many Bubble screens
Shafer - McF%#*it
Babers - Cav and son in laws QB coach

It happens. Can you adjust?

 

[TheCusian]

We should be making a bowl 9 years out of 10. You get 1/6th of the way there for free with an FCS win. All you have to do is just win 3 P5 games if you win your two OOC non P5 games. It’s amazing how people are okay with failure

It’s not being ok with failure. It’s not being glib about where you are in building to that and if you have a guy who can do it.

Wildhack thought after 3 we had that guy. After the other 2? Questions. This year? Looking good again.

 

[Bayside44]

We should be making a bowl 9 years out of 10. You get 1/6th of the way there for free with an FCS win. All you have to do is just win 3 P5 games if you win your two OOC non P5 games. It’s amazing how people are okay with failure

This is a little dated but that's a bit of rarified air. I'd like it too.

Virginia Tech Tops the List of Longest Bowl Streaks After Beating Marshall

Now that Florida State and Virginia Tech's long bowl streaks are officially over, we took a look at which schools now reign in the top 10.

www.si.com

 

[TheCusian]

All I ask for is that head coach gets the team to a bowl game. In addition, not lose games due to bad decisions. Any other school DB would have been fired by now.

He’s gotten the team to a bowl
Perfect coaches who never screw up don’t exist and the ones that are close coach at the Alabamas and Ohio Sts of the world

Edit: anyone who says he should have been fired already, has to say when in the past 6 years was the right time

 

[Cuse181]

It is amazing that you can't grasp that there was no reason to kick the xtra pt. None. It didn't help us in any way but did open the possibility for them to block it and score 2 pts. Kicking the xtra pt was just dumb. Unless you know of a way for a team to score a 5 pt play. I will give you the opportunity to tell me what advantage kicking the pt gave us?

Are you just not reading what I am saying? You have a higher probability of a turnover occurring in a 2pt play than an xp. If you turn the ball over and they score on the PAT then the team is now only up 2 giving the opposition a chance to only drive to the 35 or so an kick a field goal to win. If you kick the XP which statistically has a nearly 100% chance to not get blocked and returned for 2 points (especially twice in the same game), you force them to drive the length of the field while limiting risk of a loss immensely. The break points are 3 and 7, any coach will tell you that you don’t take a risk to only be up 6. You’re right, being up 4 or 5 doesn’t matter but in this scenario you don’t think about what the score is if you convert, it’s what the score is if you don’t convert and they return it. You’re just arguing to argue because your point has zero merit in coaching circles.

 

[dasher]

Are you just not reading what I am saying? You have a higher probability of a turnover occurring in a 2pt play than an xp. If you turn the ball over and they score on the PAT then the team is now only up 2 giving the opposition a chance to only drive to the 35 or so an kick a field goal to win. If you kick the XP which statistically has a nearly 100% chance to not get blocked and returned for 2 points (especially twice in the same game), you force them to drive the length of the field while limiting risk of a loss immensely. The break points are 3 and 7, any coach will tell you that you don’t take a risk to only be up 6. You’re right, being up 4 or 5 doesn’t matter but in this scenario you don’t think about what the score is if you convert, it’s what the score is if you don’t convert and they return it. You’re just arguing to argue because your point has zero merit in coaching circles.

You just can't grasp that there is no advantage to having a 5 pt lead over a 4 pt lead with :19 seconds left. While it certainly isn't a difficult concept to understand, it is beyond you. We shouldn't have kicked the xtra pt. We could have just fallen on the ball and taken the risk of the 2 pt turnover away. Or we could go for 2 to get to 6. What we couldn't do is kick the Xtra pt. It gave us nothing and added risk we didn't need to take. It's not your fault. You just don't understand the math. Once again, with :19 left, there is no advantage to being up 5 vs 4. None. Zero. We should not have kicked the Xtra pt,.

 

[Cuse181]

You just can't grasp that there is no advantage to having a 5 pt lead over a 4 pt lead with :19 seconds left. While it certainly isn't a difficult concept to understand, it is beyond you. We shouldn't have kicked the xtra pt. We could have just fallen on the ball and taken the risk of the 2 pt turnover away. Or we could go for 2 to get to 6. What we couldn't do is kick the Xtra pt. It gave us nothing and added risk we didn't need to take. It's not your fault. You just don't understand the math. Once again, with :19 left, there is no advantage to being up 5 vs 4. None. Zero. We should not have kicked the Xtra pt,.

Ffs bud, let me make it REAL simple for you. You’re right, there is no difference between 4 and 5, but it is far more likely that a routine xp works fine then any other play. High snaps, bad throws, fumbled balls all are much more likely to occur on a 2 pt attempt even if the team tries to “fall on the ball” like you’re claiming. You are arguing with yourself at this point so I’m moving on. Like I’m not sure what football teams you’re watching but it clearly isn’t any high level group if you think your awful suggestion would ever fly.

 

[Killdozer]

He’s gotten the team to a bowl
Perfect coaches who never screw up don’t exist and the ones that are close coach at the Alabamas and Ohio Sts of the world

Edit: anyone who says he should have been fired already, has to say when in the past 6 years was the right time

Last year was the right time. I just want SU to win more consistently and at least make lower end bowls. DB won on SS recruits. He came in saying SU was going to be the new fast, said by year four SU would be consistently good. So far he is a talker but not a producer of his promises. I understand that you have an infatuation with Dino Babers and will look at his overall production through orange color glasses. I have no connection to any of the coaches and only want to see SU win consistently. So far DB is a below average head coach.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Ffs bud, let me make it REAL simple for you. You’re right, there is no difference between 4 and 5, but it is far more likely that a routine xp works fine then any other play. High snaps, bad throws, fumbled balls all are much more likely to occur on a 2 pt attempt even if the team tries to “fall on the ball” like you’re claiming. You are arguing with yourself at this point so I’m moving on. Like I’m not sure what football teams you’re watching but it clearly isn’t any high level group if you think your awful suggestion would ever fly.

He's watching good football. You absolutely go for two in that situation to make it 6 pts. The odds of a turnover/return on a 2 PT play are higher than a PAT, but that not that much higher. If it's a pass play you tell Shrader to throw the ball out of play, if it's a run play you tell Shrader/Tucker to protect the ball and avoid the strip.

 

[TheCusian]

Last year was the right time. I just want SU to win more consistently and at least make lower end bowls. DB won on SS recruits. He came in saying SU was going to be the new fast, said by year four SU would be consistently good. So far he is a talker but not a producer of his promises. I understand that you have an infatuation with Dino Babers and will look at his overall production through orange color glasses. I have no connection to any of the coaches and only want to see SU win consistently. So far DB is a below average head coach.

Goal posts moving all over
Good coaches win with other peoples recruits. They also win with their own - and this team is his guys and playing well.

I don’t know why you think I have an infatuation with the guy - I just want to see him succeed. Which he has had mixed results. He’s not proven to be a bad HC. That’s whatever folks who wear the opposite of orange colored glasses wear lol

 

[OrangeXtreme]

He's watching good football. You absolutely go for two in that situation to make it 6 pts. The odds of a turnover/return on a 2 PT play are higher than a PAT, but that not that much higher. If it's a pass play you tell Shrader to throw the ball out of play, if it's a run play you tell Shrader/Tucker to protect the ball and avoid the strip.

And if Shrader has to sit the play out because he's injured?

Do you trust the Freshman QB who's never seen a minute of action this season?

 

[syrBossHogg]

And if Shrader has to sit the play out because he's injured?

Do you trust the Freshman QB who's never seen a minute of action this season?

I'd trust Tucker

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'd trust Tucker

I'm sure Tucker could throw a nice HB option pass, but I'd rather save that play for another occasion, like when we need a 2pt conv to win.

 

[syrBossHogg]

I'm sure Tucker could throw a nice HB option pass, but I'd rather save that play for another occasion, like when we need a 2pt conv to win.

I would've put 4 WRs on the field and make it a numbers game. If VT brings out DBs to cover each WR then I hand it off to Tucker and trust him and the OL to get 2 yards. If they stack the box then I would hope even the backup QB can complete a 2 yard pass to an uncovered WR.

 

[JoeSU]

I'm sure Tucker could throw a nice HB option pass, but I'd rather save that play for another occasion, like when we need a 2pt conv to win.

If Shrader had to sit out a play, what about Tucker lining up in the Wildcat? Probably less risky that rushing a "cold" JaCobian Morgan off the bench to take the snap.