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Dino Babers gave up. And that is absolutely inexcusable.

kcsu said:
All hat no saddle comes to mind. He has sucked since Lewis left.
Name one other major college coach who had to replace both coordinators, followed up by a losing season that eventually became the guy. Name one.
i hope Dino becomes the first and magically morphs into a
Ohana unicorn.
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Lewis wasn't here for 10-3. Lynch did just fine that year.
 
Dino’s not going anywhere, and he shouldn’t at this stage, not after 2 games- that’s just ridiculous. At minimum he has this year, next, & probably the year after. Look I’m pissed too but can we at least be realistic about some of these H0T Takes? SMDH
 
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DomeStranger said:
Yeah, it works both ways though, the defense has the same extra opportunity to have a win. Incomplete pass, now it's 2nd and 15 and your odds get much worse.

Also, since the entire premise of football is to move the ball closer to your goal line, accepting the penalty helps your cause by 5 yards. There are times you can override this concept, but you should have sound reasoning why you are doing so.
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Had no quarrel w/ refusing the penalty- some coaches prefer down over distance. If you hold them to an incomplete pass on 2nd and 9, then you’ll be facing a 3rd & long which likely gets you off the field. An extra down gives them 3 chances to make a play. There’s no “wrong” answer here. Total non-issue IMO.
 
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Trueblue25 said:
My biggest worry is the potential player exodus if we have a very poor season
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Where are they going? Every team has tons of players coming back. Probably not a great year to transfer unless it's to FCS.
 
This is all on Babers and Gilbert. If you have a player with some tools like TD but he plays like he's stuck in mud and clearly has no confidence, you give him some. You reconfigure your offense around what he can do not what he can't do. You get the ball out of his hands as quickly as you can. You dink down the field. You throw swing passes to Jordan, you throw quick outs, you stop running up the middle from the 7 yard line. Actually, you stop running the ball at all. You stop asking him to gun the ball through a needle because he can't. You take every chance you have to score even if it's a 50 yd field goal. You tell him that every ball he throws is perfect no matter how terrible it might be. You don't coach him in games because it makes him think. You let him go. Frankly, I'd love it if they let him call his own game but no coach does that anymore. If you can't move the ball through the air, you keep on trying to move it through the air. If you're three and out then you're three and out. It's not like the defense isn't on the field all game anyway. On the long ball you get the ball out of his hand quickly like in 3 seconds and have him throw rainbows that guys can maybe run under. You run an empty backfield on every play and you don't have him look off, which he can't do, you have him find one or two guys in the same area of the field until he completes a few and gains some confidence. What you absolutely don't do is ask him to set up in the pocket. What you absolutely don't do is threaten to take his job for a guy whose even more limited to him. You give him some confidence. It's not different than telling a 5 o'clock baseball hitter that everything he hits in the cage is a triple. You give him some confidence. And, please, please, please stop asking the Oline to do what they can't do. You give them some confidence too. Maybe Babers does all this and it doesn't translate to the field but even if he does you keep fiddling with the offense under the same plan. IMHO that's all TD needs.
 
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manleyzoo said:
This is all on Babers and Gilbert. If you have a player with some tools like TD but he plays like he's stuck in mud and clearly has no confidence, you give him some. You reconfigure your offense around what he can do not what he can't do. You get the ball out of his hands as quickly as you can. You dink down the field. You throw swing passes to Jordan, you throw quick outs, you stop running up the middle from the 7 yard line. Actually, you stop running the ball at all. You stop asking him to gun the ball through a needle because he can't. You take every chance you have to score even if it's a 50 yd field goal. You tell him that every ball he throws is perfect no matter how terrible it might be. You don't coach him in games because it makes him think. You let him go. Frankly, I'd love it if they let him call his own game but no coach does that anymore. If you can't move the ball throuogh the air, you keep on trying to move it through the air. If you're three and out then you're three and out. It's not like the defense isn't on the field all game anyway. On the long ball you get the ball out of his hand quickly like in 3 seconds and have him throw rainbows that guys can maybe run under. You run an empty backfield on every play and you don't have him look off, which he can't do, you have him find one or two guys in the same area of the field until he completes a few and gains some confidence. What you absolutely don't do is ask him to set up in the pocket. What you absolutely don't do is threaten to take his job for a guy whose even more limited to him. You give him some confidence. It's not different than telling a 5 o'clock baseball hitter that everything he hits in the cage is a triple. You give him some confidence. And, please, please, please stop asking the Oline to do what they can't do. You give them some confidence too. Maybe Babers does all this and it doesn't translate to the field but even if he does you keep fiddling with the offense under the same plan. IMHO that's all TD needs.
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HCDB has stuck by Tommy throughout this debacle, but at some point you need to look elsewhere. We’ve all seen instances of other qbs coming in and moving the ball better running the same offense.
If a change needs to be made, it’ll mostly be on on TD, IMO. Yes, the OL is patchwork and horrible, but he has shown nothing to give one hope. JMHO.
 
FRANKIEFAN said:
Well I think that even with no fans our offense away from the Dome has a clear road disadvantage. And its been against good teams not Liberty or Maryland like last years first 2 games.

We have our issues. Of course Taj Harris first big play of the year comes when the backup is in. Servais just touches the DE we likely drive there for a second half lead. I'm aware of what Tommy is not good at and that our other issues compound it. But the guys behind him might be really bad.
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Speaking of Servais. WTH was he doing yesterday. he played horribly
 
DoctorBombay said:
HCDB has stuck by Tommy throughout this debacle, but at some point you need to look elsewhere. We’ve all seen instances of other qbs coming in and moving the ball better running the same offense.
If a change needs to be made, it’ll mostly be on on TD, IMO. Yes, the OL is patchwork and horrible, but he has shown nothing to give one hope. JMHO.
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Living in Houston i saw first hand a offensive line totally destroy David Carr's career in two seasons. Watching him live in practice with a "red jersey" on he had as much arm talent as anybody. Watching him on Sundays behind that porous O-line the Texans trotted out literally killed all confidence and the hits had him shell shocked.

I feel TD unfortunately is in the same boat as Carr was. He has been knocked out of four different games including yesterday and he has only started 12 or 13 games total. Thats 20-25 percent of his games. I saw a stat the other day that TD has taken more sacks than any other qb through his 1st ten starts( dont know how to qualify that). Given the O line, rookie rb's, young wr's and the poor poor poor playcalling and clock management playing defenses with a ton of talent on the road etc, I am giving TD a pass. Hard to blame him at this point.
 
dollarbill44 said:
50% of coaches decline this. Prove me wrong.
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That was incredibly weird given the field position. But if your defense is playing well 1st and 15 is a godsend vs 2 and 9. Incredibly bad decision to decline penalty when the opponent is in plus field position. Hard to understand why people are defending that penalty decline to move that back out of fg range. Again we were trailing already at that point couldn't afford to give up any more points
 
PhatOrange said:
im hoping for the inverse with all the players granted an extra year and kids looking for PT. The off season is bound to be a douzy with a lot of good players shopping around.
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Why would there be an exodus?
 
jgeorge322 said:
Why would there be an exodus?
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Any offensive player who can't see the field on this team might want to start looking around.

We should be very nervous about retaining every/anyone that contributes on D and we might only get one season out of our DC.
 
Anyone see Dallas absolutely steal a win against the idiot falcons? Absolute joke they stole that game they did not deserve it especially not that idiot Jones.

But the point is... Dallas won against all odds. Yes Atlanta went brain dead but a two score game with under 5 left is not reason to just quit.
 
So did any of the reporters actually do their job and ask Babers why he quit? I'm still trying to figure out what his rationale could have been? But what we saw was a HC quit on his team. From the looks of it the defensive guys were not happy in that post-game huddle.
 
FRANKIEFAN said:
Any offensive player who can't see the field on this team might want to start looking around.

We should be very nervous about retaining every/anyone that contributes on D and we might only get one season out of our DC.
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Looking at our receivers is making me think about coming out of retirement to try out.
 
NineOneSeven said:
Anyone see Dallas absolutely steal a win against the idiot falcons? Absolute joke they stole that game they did not deserve it especially not that idiot Jones.

But the point is... Dallas won against all odds. Yes Atlanta went brain dead but a two score game with under 5 left is not reason to just quit.
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So Dallas can score 16 points in 5:02 to win a game. But folks defending HCDB not even try to score a fg down 11 with 4:16 smh. Do these people even watch football smh
 
General Joe said:
So Dallas can score 16 points in 5:02 to win a game. But folks defending HCDB not even try to score a fg down 11 with 4:16 smh. Do these people even watch football smh
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Agreed plenty of time.

Our defense also hadn't folded and a 3 and out was likely/possible.

Now could the OL give Devito enough time to even attempt a Hail Mary? Probably not. Which is somehow Tommy's fault of course to most of the folks on here.
 
FRANKIEFAN said:
Any offensive player who can't see the field on this team might want to start looking around.

We should be very nervous about retaining every/anyone that contributes on D and we might only get one season out of our DC.
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Most of our defense is underclassmen at this point.
 
OttoMets said:
If that's the case, then that was an unusually shmucky tweet.
Because airing that hot take in a public medium is probably not considered helping out when needed.

And if he's such a big deal in the program, then he's probably got a direct line to someone at Manley who'd appreciate his coaching advice.
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If he’s a diehard like we are, then he’s been though everything we’ve been through. He prolly spent all spring and summer last year making Orange bowl plans too. Can’t hate the guy for having the same instant reactions we have. No matter how big or well connected, this team still hurts us all the same lol
 
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