Dino is a terrible in game coach

[billsin01]

He's screwed up a lot of times late games, clemson and pitt last year come to mind, I'm sure others I forgot about from early on.

Agree on this. I like Dino but late games aren’t pretty. Even the WMU game last year was brutal at times. It’s not the reason things are bleak but it doesn’t help.

 

[longislandcuse]

This thread is so dumb. Dino wasn’t a bad in game coach until he had a high school offensive line and kids with their heads up their butts committing idiotic penalties and acting tough by piledriving players on Holy Cross. Bad line, lack of player leadership. The bad line is on him at the end of the day but the guy is NOT a bad in game coach

So he’s just bad at recruiting and development?

 

[alphaorange]

Go play action, roll him out, run reverses, screens and even a trick play. Get the defense off balance and stop letting them pin their ears back and come straight on.

So run play action when the defense has no respect for the running game? That just puts Tommy that much closer to the rush. And where do you roll out to when the defensive ends are blasting around the tackles? Roll into the teeth of the rush? Bold strategy, Cotton...

 

[CousCuse]

Dino is not perfect, no one is, but he is a solid person and a good coach so he needs full support for at least the rest of this year and 2 more before any real criticism can be made.

 

[JRHEETER]

Dino is not perfect, no one is, but he is a solid person and a good coach so he needs full support for at least the rest of this year and 2 more before any real criticism can be made.

I’ll give him the rest of the season, but there needs to be some coordinators that are gone...

mask yourself this, if we don’t have Dungey last season willing this team to win, how many games do we win? Probably end up 4-8, 5-7....

we are staring down the barrel of 3-9, 4-8 season right now...

that means Babers will go 4-8, 4-8, 10-3, and 4-8?

that’s not really great...

 

[longislandcuse]

I like Dino, and I understand where we are as a program. I think he’s worth investing in, which means giving him time.

My biggest worry is that Year 4 is his first year with all his guys. It’s more evident than ever that last year’s success was due to Dungey.

His recruiting and development have not been impressive at all.

Strength & Conditioning is a strong point as it seems, even with lower rated recruits than most of our opponents, we don’t look completely overmatched stepping off the bus.

What we should expect to see this offseason are coordinator changes and a strong push for a grad transfer QB & a QB with potential to start after getting a year in the system. Preferably dual threat guys as we just don’t recruit well enough to throw a pocket passer behind our OL year in/year out.

That doesn’t mean we give up on Tommy, but we need to bring in competition.

 

[CousCuse]

I’ll give him the rest of the season, but there needs to be some coordinators that are gone...

mask yourself this, if we don’t have Dungey last season willing this team to win, how many games do we win? Probably end up 4-8, 5-7...

we are staring down the barrel of 3-9, 4-8 season right now...

that means Babers will go 4-8, 4-8, 10-3, and 4-8?

that’s not really great...

I hope they can get to a bowl, for sure. The real issue is, and has been for some time, is that the head coach position at Syracuse is a very difficult one to get consolidated and get real traction. There many reasons for this and they have been discussed here over and over again. The coach here needs more time and support than people would like and expect.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’m torn on that one.

By the letter of the law, the kid absolutely hit Tommy after the whistle.

Looked like he held up a bit right at the point of contact, and it really wasn’t an impactful hit.

Kid probably didn’t hear the whistle. Nothing else would really make sense.

Yeah, I wanted the call. But jeez. Would’ve been a cheap way to get 15 yards and we were fully crapping the bed any way. Couldn’t even get lined up and get a play off and a shot in the end zone all at the same time? Seriously?

Not hearing the whistle is irrelevant.

 

[cuse10]

I like Dino, and I understand where we are as a program. I think he’s worth investing in, which means giving him time.

My biggest worry is that Year 4 is his first year with all his guys. It’s more evident than ever that last year’s success was due to Dungey.

His recruiting and development have not been impressive at all.

Strength & Conditioning is a strong point as it seems, even with lower rated recruits than most of our opponents, we don’t look completely overmatched stepping off the bus.

What we should expect to see this offseason are coordinator changes and a strong push for a grad transfer QB & a QB with potential to start after getting a year in the system. Preferably dual threat guys as we just don’t recruit well enough to throw a pocket passer behind our OL year in/year out.

That doesn’t mean we give up on Tommy, but we need to bring in competition.

This is crap. A grad transfer is not going to any P5 program to sit on the bench. The last transfer SU brought in only got benched because he wasn't good enough to hold down the job. If you bring in a grad transfer it is to start and play immediately. When Tommy played against North Carolina and Florida State, he was hailed as the second coming because he played behind a strong offensive line. Koda Martin doesn't get enough credit for what he brought to that unit last year. Also, Devito has demonstrated he can run (4.6 40) when he has to. His game isn't predicated on using his feet. The line isn't going to get better this season, but this offseason will be telling. Grad transfers should be sought for that area.

 

[longislandcuse]

This is crap. A grad transfer is not going to any P5 program to sit on the bench. The last transfer SU brought in only got benched because he wasn't good enough to hold down the job. If you bring in a grad transfer it is to start and play immediately. When Tommy played against North Carolina and Florida State, he was hailed as the second coming because he played behind a strong offensive line. Koda Martin doesn't get enough credit for what he brought to that unit last year. Also, Devito has demonstrated he can run (4.6 40) when he has to. His game isn't predicated on using his feet. The line isn't going to get better this season, but this offseason will be telling. Grad transfers should be sought for that area.

Yea... no legitimate P5 school would go into next season with the same QB situation, given what we’ve seen this year.

Tommy can still win the job, but a grad transfer should be promised every chance to come in and compete.

Not every grad transfer is Jalen Hurts... there’s guys we can target that aren’t studs who A) would never come here and B) be guaranteed a starting spot.

There’s also the transfer portal, of which we should definitely be looking at.

We need legitimate competition/depth.

Tell me how all these teams across the country are on backup QB 2, sometimes 3, and we have a struggling starting QB and NOTHING behind him.

 

[cuse10]

Yea... no legitimate P5 school would go into next season with the same QB situation, given what we’ve seen this year.

Tommy can still win the job, but a grad transfer should be promised every chance to come in and compete.

Not every grad transfer is Jalen Hurts... there’s guys we can target that aren’t studs who A) would never come here and B) be guaranteed a starting spot.

There’s also the transfer portal, of which we should definitely be looking at.

We need legitimate competition/depth.

Tell me how all these teams across the country are on backup QB 2, sometimes 3, and we have a struggling starting QB and NOTHING behind him.

You know who else has a struggling starting QB that some on this board and elsewhere thinks would beat Syracuse? Northwestern. Another team with a starting QB who's struggled? Nebraska. The expectations for them were on par with Syracuse's and they got slapped down to Earth. This is a problem across the country. Miami doesn't have good QB play at any level. Tate Martell has been deemed so bad, he hasn't seen any action in that spot since transferring there after he was assured to be the starter. This is not solely a Syracuse problem. Some schools are in better situations than others. NC State, of whom SU lost to, also has its issues. They didn't look competent for large stretches of the game and haven't all year. It took a trick play for them to get their only touchdown.

 

[OburgOrange]

I’ll give him the rest of the season, but there needs to be some coordinators that are gone...

mask yourself this, if we don’t have Dungey last season willing this team to win, how many games do we win? Probably end up 4-8, 5-7...

we are staring down the barrel of 3-9, 4-8 season right now...

that means Babers will go 4-8, 4-8, 10-3, and 4-8?

that’s not really great...

Coach Mac like start. And we know what happened to him, although you are pretty young , Lol

 

[longislandcuse]

You know who else has a struggling starting QB that some on this board and elsewhere thinks would beat Syracuse? Northwestern. Another team with a starting QB who's struggled? Nebraska. The expectations for them were on par with Syracuse's and they got slapped down to Earth. This is a problem across the country. Miami doesn't have good QB play at any level. Tate Martell has been deemed so bad, he hasn't seen any action in that spot since transferring there after he was assured to be the starter. This is not solely a Syracuse problem. Some schools are in better situations than others. NC State, of whom SU lost to, also has its issues. They didn't look competent for large stretches of the game and haven't all year. It took a trick play for them to get their only touchdown.

N’Kosi Perry threw for 400 yards in a close loss to VT and then helped lead Miami to a win over UVA. They also almost beat UF with Jarran Williams at QB.

I’ll take Perry over Devito, especially behind our line.

I’m not arguing with you about the QB situation of a team that just beat us. Their musical chair QB situation is awful... ours is apparently worse. We have one struggling QB playing musical chairs by himself due to zero viable backups.

 

[TheCusian]

I’ll give him the rest of the season, but there needs to be some coordinators that are gone...

mask yourself this, if we don’t have Dungey last season willing this team to win, how many games do we win? Probably end up 4-8, 5-7...

we are staring down the barrel of 3-9, 4-8 season right now...

that means Babers will go 4-8, 4-8, 10-3, and 4-8?

that’s not really great...

This is silly. So, Babers gets no credit for a ten win season? That was all Eric? C’mon.

Truth is coaching here is hard, recruiting here is hard - and he’s done a pretty good job. We lost by 6 to a team like us on the road. *That* has happened to every Syracuse coach.

 

[JRHEETER]

This is silly. So, Babers gets no credit for a ten win season? That was all Eric? C’mon.

Truth is coaching here is hard, recruiting here is hard - and he’s done a pretty good job. We lost by 6 to a team like us on the road. *That* has happened to every Syracuse coach.

I mean, I’m not saying it all on Dungey but there’s been some questionable moves the last few years under Babers. I’m not saying fire Babers right now or anything but he has to have some accountability...

We lost by 6 to a DREADFUL DREADFUL NC State where we could only muster up 10 points...we are statistically one of the worst teams in FBS...

 

[SoBristol]

I’ll give him the rest of the season, but there needs to be some coordinators that are gone...

Maybe you mean position coaches? Lustig is a terrific coordinator of specials. It will be difficult to keep him — young guy with the personality and resume to move up. Ward has done well with the defense, and has recruited and developed talent on that side. Maybe Lynch needs a post-season review, but he is running Dino’s offense and Dino is closely involved on that side.

The coaches will all look better with more talent in the OL and better QB play. Need to focus on the real problems (recruiting generally and OL and QB in particular) not firing Dino’s people.

 

[JRHEETER]

Coach Mac like start. And we know what happened to him, although you are pretty young , Lol

I really hope this happens, I love Dino as a guy but I’m starting to worry

 

[JRHEETER]

Maybe you mean position coaches? Lustig is a terrific coordinator of specials. It will be difficult to keep him — young guy with the personality and resume to move up. Ward has done well with the defense, and has recruited and developed talent on that side. Maybe Lynch needs a post-season review, but he is running Dino’s offense and Dino is closely involved on that side.

The coaches will all look better with more talent in the OL and better QB play. Need to focus on the real problems (recruiting generally and OL and QB in particular) not firing Dino’s people.

who do you think does recruiting??? Coordinators, position coaches etc.

At some point we have to look at this program...we are consistently missing on recruits and consistently not having a solid game plan

 

[TheCusian]

I mean, I’m not saying it all on Dungey but there’s been some questionable moves the last few years under Babers. I’m not saying fire Babers right now or anything but he has to have some accountability...

We lost by 6 to a DREADFUL DREADFUL NC State where we could only muster up 10 points...we are statistically one of the worst teams in FBS...

The amount of respect before we played them compared to how DREADFUL they are now that we lost to them is interesting.

I’m not saying Babers has done a great job this year - but I think it’s disingenuous to dump on him too much. Great program win in year one, Clemson win in year two, 10 win season in year 3. Let’s look at NC State this year or Wake last year - lost a very good QB, had growing pains the next season.

 

[TheCusian]

N’Kosi Perry threw for 400 yards in a close loss to VT and then helped lead Miami to a win over UVA. They also almost beat UF with Jarran Williams at QB.

I’ll take Perry over Devito, especially behind our line.

I’m not arguing with you about the QB situation of a team that just beat us. Their musical chair QB situation is awful... ours is apparently worse. We have one struggling QB playing musical chairs by himself due to zero viable backups.

Perry? Really? 170 yds per game Perry?

 

[JRHEETER]

The amount of respect before we played them compared to how DREADFUL they are now that we lost to them is interesting.

I’m not saying Babers has done a great job this year - but I think it’s disingenuous to dump on him too much. Great program win in year one, Clemson win in year two, 10 win season in year 3. Let’s look at NC State this year or Wake last year - lost a very good QB, had growing pains the next season.

hey to each their own, I just am losing confidence if Babers is actually the right guy.

hoping he proves me wrong, like I said, I like the guy, just worried about the direction of this program right now

 

[FrancoPizza]

hey to each their own, I just am losing confidence if Babers is actually the right guy.

hoping he proves me wrong, like I said, I like the guy, just worried about the direction of this program right now

It’s ok to have doubts but who else is a better fit? Dino needs to bring in assistants that can recruit with the big boys. Need some Troy weavers. We can now afford to pay some of these studs.

 

[qdawgg]

The amount of respect before we played them compared to how DREADFUL they are now that we lost to them is interesting.

I’m not saying Babers has done a great job this year - but I think it’s disingenuous to dump on him too much. Great program win in year one, Clemson win in year two, 10 win season in year 3. Let’s look at NC State this year or Wake last year - lost a very good QB, had growing pains the next season.

Revisionist history. Nobody was talking about ncstate like they were going to win the conference. People said they have had better recruiting and a top ranked run defense. They do. You actually posted that yourself yesterday. So it’s disingenuous for you to say that yesterday and then flip the script for a different argument today.

They can be better than us which is where people were saying this isn’t an automatic win but be a not so great team at the same time. That’s because we’re a worse team right now.

 

[Trueblue25]

The Cali Award Thread’s the only bastion of unbridled optimism I have left

 

[SoBristol]

who do you think does recruiting??? Coordinators, position coaches etc.

At some point we have to look at this program...we are consistently missing on recruits and consistently not having a solid game plan

Let’s break that out, because you seem to be painting with a wide brush.
I am less worried about the defense at the moment - there is young talent in the secondary, the true frosh LBs were the strength of the 2019 class, though we have issues with the DL depth and talent going forward. The defense was bad versus Maryland, but was good against N.C. state, and for 3 quarters against a very talented Clemson offense.
Solid game plan? I think you mean Dino and Lynch on the offense, trying to work around the evident problems at QB and OL. We saw solid game plans in 2018 with Dungey and better OTs last season, as the offense put up a ton of points (with the same coaches).

Who does recruiting? Monroe, Stannard, Ward and Lustig might be the most active and effective, with Dino as the closer. There have been investments in staff support under Dino. Obviously SU needs to get better results and might look for another proven recruiter.