Dino Presser

[orangecuse]

as someone who has talked with coaches at other schools in other sports. recruiting is something very few people really understand. the recruiting sites dont actually review 75% or more the kids but they still get numbers and the kids are not ranked based on skill set for the system they are going to.

if Dino wants an oline with x,y,z that doesnt mean that he wont take a high ranked kid but it also means he may take a kid that thats lower ranked because x,y,z means more to him that the a,b,c that the recruiting sites value.

no doubt we would be better as a team if we had all 4-5 star kids across the board, but if you get the correct pieces the 3 stars can get it done

No doubt! Just wait til Buddy, Girard & Goodine are in their senior campaign. Oh...wrong board.

 

[Trueblue25]

he said at one point that he wants to be more secretive about quarterbacks they are going after so that other schools won't pursue them.

There are quarterbacks we would want that nobody else knows about?

Or hire guys that can close the deal. We have the offensive scheme, run game and receivers. Find the kid and close the deal.

 

[orange_in_VA]

he said at one point that he wants to be more secretive about quarterbacks they are going after so that other schools won't pursue them.

There are quarterbacks we would want that nobody else knows about?

I have no idea what he's talking about with that statement based on everything that happened this year with QB recruiting. Like it doesn't make any sense. The only thing I can think of is hes annoyed about Fortin getting scooped by USF or something

 

[Ozcuse]

I have no idea what he's talking about with that statement based on everything that happened this year with QB recruiting. Like it doesn't make any sense. The only thing I can think of is hes annoyed about Fortin getting scooped by USF or something

When I saw that I had flashbacks to "we didn't have enough tape".

 

[NKR1978]

Exactly. I don't know what everyone expects out of a press conference like this. Yeah let's ask some difficult questions... I don't care about winning the press conference anyway.

Next you're going to say you don't want to win breakfast.

 

[PAcuse]

I have no idea what he's talking about with that statement based on everything that happened this year with QB recruiting. Like it doesn't make any sense. The only thing I can think of is hes annoyed about Fortin getting scooped by USF or something

maybe Van Dyke, we had him at a camp early and then Miami came in and offered
Might be that

 

[orangecuse]

he said at one point that he wants to be more secretive about quarterbacks they are going after so that other schools won't pursue them.

There are quarterbacks we would want that nobody else knows about?

Maybe he can give Belichick a call on that matter...it'll also be good to get some 'secretive' tape on any opponent next season too that we "don't have any tape on."

 

[SmilinBob]

maybe Van Dyke, we had him at a camp early and then Miami came in and offered
Might be that

I think it was the Canadian QB.

 

[PAcuse]

I think it was the Canadian QB.

That would also make sense

 

[orangepassion]

maybe Van Dyke, we had him at a camp early and then Miami came in and offered
Might be that

Think he's referring to him, but in the age of social media, it's a pipe dream to think you can keep secrets about your QB recruit forever. At a certain point, you have to win your fair share of recruiting battles.
He also seems way too high on his evaluation skills, like everyone's waiting to see who he offered before offering. He's mentioned this several times. I guess Eastern Michigan is that to us because we offered 3 of their commits (and only got 1 of them, I might add).

 

[orange_in_VA]

maybe Van Dyke, we had him at a camp early and then Miami came in and offered
Might be that

I highly doubt it's Van Dyke. We did offer him first I think but that was so early in the recruiting cycle. Regardless of who it is I think it's a stupid thing for Babers to say. It's a whiny cop-out

 

[PAcuse]

I highly doubt it's Van Dyke. We did offer him first I think but that was so early in the recruiting cycle. Regardless of who it is I think it's a stupid thing for Babers to say. It's a whiny cop-out

Yeah but can't really come out and say "we can't close" or "we failed getting our top recruits, no going over to the left over pile".
Tough to keep missing out on the top QBs and I'm sure he is frustrated and that came out in the answer.

 

[Bulldog04]

maybe Van Dyke, we had him at a camp early and then Miami came in and offered
Might be that

Van dyke was Miami’s first official signee this morning. Not him

 

[PAcuse]

Van dyke was Miami’s first official signee this morning. Not him

That doesn't have anything to do with it
He said they identify talent early and other schools jump on it
VanDyke came to a camp at Cuse got his offer
Then Miami came in a month later and he never looked back
That's the only reason I thought he might be part of it
I doubt it's just one QB

 

[Atlcuse44]

he said at one point that he wants to be more secretive about quarterbacks they are going after so that other schools won't pursue them.

There are quarterbacks we would want that nobody else knows about?

Yes, Gunther Von Wienerschnitzel from Wurzburg, Germany.

 

[orangepassion]

for those down on the class what are you down on?

I'll take this one.
First of all, very few guys I'm excited about. Even last year, was excited about Jordan, Jones, Kpogba, Benson, Nunn. This class? Alford and who else looks like a potential gamechanger? Even our arguably top recruit from an offer standpoint (Kinsler) seems like a Qadir White project, except he has to put on a ton of weight to touch the field instead of losing it like White.
We were painfully thin at QB and DT coming into this cycle and we whiffed on both positions. We've got to stop waiting around all signing period for our top option and recruit aggressively several quality guys at these positions.
Would feel much better if we can bring in some quality at those positions from the portal, such as a Joey Yellen from ASU or some backup run stopper from a factory. We have loads of time to offer a DT after next year, as the only DT's who have shown us anything to this point after graduating this year. The only reason we're not even worse off next year there is due to Mckinley Williams injury.

 

[Herkimercus]

as someone who has talked with coaches at other schools in other sports. recruiting is something very few people really understand. the recruiting sites dont actually review 75% or more the kids but they still get numbers and the kids are not ranked based on skill set for the system they are going to.

if Dino wants an oline with x,y,z that doesnt mean that he wont take a high ranked kid but it also means he may take a kid that thats lower ranked because x,y,z means more to him that the a,b,c that the recruiting sites value.

no doubt we would be better as a team if we had all 4-5 star kids across the board, but if you get the correct pieces the 3 stars can get it done

Great comment and makes alot of sense. These kids are assigned stars by default and not being I'm the top 20 at his position. That's why national position rankings hold more water with me. Thus, when I hear we have the 90th rated or 100th rated kid at his position. It's hard to get excited bc there are 120 or so teams in fbs and what? 64 p5 teams? So, is that rating as the most telling?

Back to the star system, the 3 stars have the most of all stars and it's a wide range of players and position rankings so when most of the class is 3*, great, but a player can be ranked 44th or 94th at his position and both be 3*.

 

[Herkimercus]

I have no idea how good the class will be but i'm hopeful. Not signing a qb seems terrifying and almost unfathomable to me. But I also don't have a great feeling about Tommy going forward (not pretending to be a football savant but I feel like the issues are more 'feel' related and I think that's a tough thing to coach. Just my opinion on that.)

You are spot on and geez, in the end, I hope we are both wrong. Yes. I saw the same robotic, pre-determined read and play from Tommy. Playing qb in today's game college or pro is about pre snap reads of the D and how well a qb interprets progesssions and makes decisions based on what he sees/perceives.

Dino fell in love with Tommy in shorts, throwing the rock in 7 in 7s, the elite 11 competition, etc. Td had a tough time in his in the state playoffs in big games. I didn't care much about it. But, after seeing his lack of pocket and game feel after 3 years in the program under the same system? Yes, a bit alarming. 3 years is a lifetime on today's qb/GB world and players are plenty ready by year 2 or 3. I love Tommy's arm and foot speed. It's the pocket awareness and anticipation or receiver reads and extending plays that we need in a qb. The feel of the game, the feel of the pocket and internal clock, as well as late reads of your eligible receivers. Td doesn't have it. One might ask, well geeez, why was he effective last year.simply a case of coming out of the pen and not being scouted. Happens all of the time in football and with baseball pitchers.

 

[anomander]

for those down on the class what are you down on?

# 1 and most importantly, struck out on literally every single QB prospect . If you do t have a talented QB you are in trouble. I’m sure we will have someone in Jan. because we have to sign somebody, but we missed on everyone we actually wanted.

# 2 Besides Bleich who is a transfer and an absolute must get, we otherwise didn’t address the need at OL. We have a couple guys that will need some time to develop and if we look at this staffs track record at developing offensive lineman, I’m not that confident.

# 3 The next most important position DT, hasn’t been addressed. Again, we seemingly missed on all of our top targets and again will sign somebody in january because we have to

# 4 we signed a lot of bodies at DB, but it seems we are back to signing the under sized DB’s we used to get under Shafer. You don’t see anyone with the stature, or imo talent of Melfi, Frederick or Trill, all who were exciting recruits who were highly rated and had solid offers.

Basically the most important positions in football we’re almost entirely strike outs.

RB and WR were solid and comparable to prior years. Mahar was a great get at TE and our kicker was solid , but imo all of the other positions were either misses or downgrades compared to prior years

 

[orangemass]

No one we wanted, wanted to come here. Ouch

 

[hungrychuck]

I have no idea how good the class will be but i'm hopeful. Not signing a qb seems terrifying and almost unfathomable to me. But I also don't have a great feeling about Tommy going forward (not pretending to be a football savant but I feel like the issues are more 'feel' related and I think that's a tough thing to coach. Just my opinion on that.)

I think that is so spot on. Yes he can "spin it," yes great accuracy, yes tough kid. But a natural, instinctive feel for the game seems to be what's missing, and it's concerning.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I have no clue how good this class is whatsoever but the fact that people think the star system actually equates to some sort of scientific rating system still cracks me up. Yes, everyone and their brother would kill for a dozen kids who had 4 stars next to their names and offers from all the top schools. Chances are those kids are really good players. That's fine. But the idea that they are scouring the entire nation and some international prospects and using a uniform rating system that has some sort of definitive, tangible value in ranking a kid's potential is certifiably insane.

And, to clarify, this is in no way, shape or form a defense of our recruiting or Dino. But judge from the results.

One thing I know is that Alabama and Clemson get almost all 4 & 5 star players and they play for the National Championship, so don’t tell me stars don‘t matter.

 

[OrangeDW]

We were 2nd in the ACC with similar talent and all thought it was great. We just need to win and the “fans” will jump back on the ship.

Yup. And it’s mostly about OL play IMO.

If our OL can play like it did the last 3 games all season next year, I’m confident we’ll be over .500 at least. Offense would likely be very solid with that level of OL play...one that’s good enough to win at least 7. And maybe more if other areas really come together.

 

[Herkimercus]

# 1 and most importantly, struck out on literally every single QB prospect . If you do t have a talented QB you are in trouble. I’m sure we will have someone in Jan. because we have to sign somebody, but we missed on everyone we actually wanted.

# 2 Besides Bleich who is a transfer and an absolute must get, we otherwise didn’t address the need at OL. We have a couple guys that will need some time to develop and if we look at this staffs track record at developing offensive lineman, I’m not that confident.

# 3 The next most important position DT, hasn’t been addressed. Again, we seemingly missed on all of our top targets and again will sign somebody in january because we have to

# 4 we signed a lot of bodies at DB, but it seems we are back to signing the under sized DB’s we used to get under Shafer. You don’t see anyone with the stature, or imo talent of Melfi, Frederick or Trill, all who were exciting recruits who were highly rated and had solid offers.

Basically the most important positions in football we’re almost entirely strike outs.

RB and WR were solid and comparable to prior years. Mahar was a great get at TE and our kicker was solid , but imo all of the other positions were either misses or downgrades compared to prior years

Sadly, geeez, this is spot on and scary for our program. I don't know wth is going on. But let's assume there is a late push of talent at those positions.

 

[Stevenson]

This recruiting class is multiple.