Dino's Game 12 Press Conference | BC

[kcsu]

I’ll give Dino credit, he has a way with words and can polish a turd. I mean I’m not buying most of what he says anymore, but he could sell water to a drowning man.

Heal me

 

[Dinkyspond]

Tucker, I’m calling it right now. He’s coming for all the Syracuse University running back records, and would be smart to do so. It won’t make him a rich man but will make him a football legend. Barring a SB ring it’s probably the biggest achievement he can reach.

not a chance

 

[David321]

not a chance

Time will tell, I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong but I’m calling it now.

 

[rrlbees]

I can't say I feel better about Dino's decision about the 2 point conversion after reading his thinking here.

Dino Babers breaks down 3 moments from Wake Forest, including 3rd-quarter timeout and no 2-point attempt

Syracuse lost 45-35 to the Demon Deacons on Saturday to fall to 6-5 on the season.

www.syracuse.com

I listened to the presser and understood what he was saying mathematically. I think I still would have gone for 2 but I get the mathematically reasoning for not. He basically said the odds of getting a 4th possession were better than everything going perfectly with 3 including making all the 2 pointers.

 

[rrlbees]

Time will tell, I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong but I’m calling it now.

Get your bib on.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I listened to the presser and understood what he was saying mathematically. I think I still would have gone for 2 but I get the mathematically reasoning for not. He basically said the odds of getting a 4th possession were better than everything going perfectly with 3 including making all the 2 pointers.

That is baloney. Getting three 2pt conversions is probably just over a 10% chance. With 10 mins left stopping Wake 3x while still having time to score 3x yourself is certainly less than 10%.

If you miss the 1st then you still need 3 possessions, so where is the risk? If you make the 1st and miss the 2nd, you still need 3 possessions. Again where is the risk?

There was 10 mins left, he really thinks we will get 3 possessions to score? We ended up not even having enough time for 2 possessions.

On top of that which is more likely stopping Wake's O 2x or 3x?

 

[rrlbees]

That is baloney. Getting three 2pt conversions is probably just over a 10% chance. With 10 mins left stopping Wake 3x while still having time to score 3x yourself is certainly less than 10%.

If you miss the 1st then you still need 3 possessions, so where is the risk? If you make the 1st and miss the 2nd, you still need 3 possessions. Again where is the risk?

There was 10 mins left, he really thinks we will get 3 possessions to score? We ended up not even having enough time for 2 possessions.

On top of that which is more likely stopping Wake's O 2x or 3x?

Did you listen to him?

 

[Deleted member 8116]

Not true or he could recruit.

I almost put something in there how it’s weird that it doesn’t translate in better recruiting classes.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Did you listen to him?

No, not going to waste my time. If he thinks we are getting 3 possessions with 10 mins left in the game as you stated, then he is insane.

The risk of going for 2 is very minimal. The reward is immense. The math in no way says kick a PAT there.

 

[AngryOtto]

I hope it is Wax or Carter. I want both to return. Keep the podcast going.

 

[FloridaFan]

Dino seems like the guy to split 10’s and then argue with the table when they tell him it’s a bad play

 

[Chip]

I listened to the presser and understood what he was saying mathematically. I think I still would have gone for 2 but I get the mathematically reasoning for not. He basically said the odds of getting a 4th possession were better than everything going perfectly with 3 including making all the 2 pointers.

With the Shrader/Tucker combo you should have a better chance than most teams in short yardage like that.

With a decimated defense playing on the road, the odds of 4 possessions is even harder.

Couple that with not kicking the FG with 22 seconds left, and I just really think the guy doesn't get this stuff at all. Or best guess, at 45-21, he had packed it in and wasn't even considering they could come back.

 

[rrlbees]

No, not going to waste my time. If he thinks we are getting 3 possessions with 10 mins left in the game as you stated, then he is insane.

The risk of going for 2 is very minimal. The reward is immense. The math in no way says kick a PAT there.

Well the little sheet NFL and college coaches use which tells them based on score and time whether to go for 1 or 2, says coaches choice. Why? Because there’s not a huge difference.

 

[money3189]

Shrader kinda has to return.
While as a Grad transfer he could go elsewhere, we've got the whole O basically custom tailored to his strengths (when healthy). He needs a complete, successful season to even have a chance of a hope of a sniff of a post-college football career.

That and finally having the luxury to play in the same scheme

 

[HRE Otto IV]

With the Shrader/Tucker combo you should have a better chance than most teams in short yardage like that.

With a decimated defense playing on the road, the odds of 4 possessions is even harder.

Couple that with not kicking the FG with 22 seconds left, and I just really think the guy doesn't get this stuff at all. Or best guess, at 45-21, he had packed it in and wasn't even considering they could come back.

We only had 2 TOs left too. The only way you have time for 3 possessions is if you get an onside kick. The chances of recovering are those are low.

Did he explain how he thought kicking a FG with 9 secs left and then kicking an onside kick with 4 seconds left would have left enough time for one last play?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Well the little sheet NFL and college coaches use which tells them based on score and time whether to go for 1 or 2, says coaches choice. Why? Because there’s not a huge difference.

There is a huge difference when there is very little time left. 10 mins and 2 TOs isn't enough time to have 3 possessions of your own. Especially for a team that has had issues stopping the run.

 

[bigmike]

Dino seems like the guy to split 10’s and then argue with the table when they tell him it’s a bad play

Wait, that’s a bad play?

 

[money3189]

I said this after year two with him. Dino is so smart that he out smarts himself

 

[Chip]

We only had 2 TOs left too. The only way you have time for 3 possessions is if you get an onside kick. The chances of recovering are those are low.

Did he explain how he thought kicking a FG with 9 secs left and then kicking an onside kick with 4 seconds left would have left enough time for one last play?

Forgot about our wasted timeout.

I think he spends a lot of time on Sunday trying to come up with justifications for these types of decisions. But I'd bet they aren't things he was thinking about in the moment.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The way the game played out here are the scenarios:

Go for 2 and convert twice
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-37

Go for 2 and fail, PAT the 2nd TD
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-34

Go for 2 and convert, 2nd TD 2pt fail
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-35

Go for two PATs
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-35

It really made no difference going for 2 and failing vs kicking two PATs. You are in the same boat. But getting it 2x would have been huge.

 

[rrlbees]

The way the game played out here are the scenarios:

Go for 2 and convert twice
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-37

Go for 2 and fail, PAT the 2nd TD
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-34

Go for 2 and convert, 2nd TD 2pt fail
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-35

Go for two PATs
0:51 left SU ball at the Wake 40 down 45-35

It really made no difference going for 2 and failing vs kicking two PATs. You are in the same boat. But getting it 2x would have been huge.

Making three 2 pointers is a 6% chance.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Making three 2 pointers is a 6% chance.

How do you figure that?

 

[rrlbees]

How do you figure that?

The conversion rate is estimated to be about 40%. Although Dino said it’s 38% vs WF. But we’ll use 40%.

.4 x .4 x .4 = .06

Some say it’s closer to 43%. Even at that making 3 would be 7.9%

 

[FloridaFan]

The conversion rate is estimated to be about 40%. Although Dino said it’s 38% vs WF. But we’ll use 40%.

.4 x .4 x .4 = .06

Some say it’s closer to 43%. Even at that making 3 would be 7.9%

And what are the odds to score 3 touchdowns, kick an insides kick. And kick a FG. All without the other team scoring once?

 

[690West]

not a chance

It’s Tucker