Does anyone else feel the NCAA needs to change the APR rule???

[orangefan13]

These kids are here to play basketball. Hurting a whole program, fanbase, basketball tradition, and the Millions of fans across the US is stupid.

I understand the overall thought but the whole thing looks like some talking heads trying to make the outside look clean.

I wonder how long it will take to some school with lots of money and a good athletic program to jump on the bus and offer very basic courses with really lienient instructors just for student athletes. Courses without finals and more hands on. Show up and pass.
Can't lie I hope Syracuse finds a way to do so and I am entitled to that opinion.

These kids are here to play basketball if they wanted to they could join the army, be apprentices for electricians, roadwork, nursing, daycare anything. But the NCAA decides that they need to have above average academic IQ's when they were created with the body for hands on work.

It just seems stupid to me to take kids who have become athletes based on hands on work and to try to turn them into bookworms.

I see the greater good. These kids have a big responsibility to take care of the fanbase and consider basketball a apprenticeship but the NCAA doesn't see it that way. Its the most selfless and awesome opportunity to have for all the basketaball fans out there. Yet the NCAA is ruining it for fanbases telling schools to roll the dice on kids.

Apprenticeship- training a group of individual based on a group of skills.

Should these student athletes be subject to academic law? Or should they be treated to taking a risk with basketball as a apprenticeship program?

The Fact is Fab might have cost us a championship because the NCAA doesn't recognize Apprenticeship. Meanwhile in Europe these kids are playing basketball for as long as they want to with no practice violations. Heck look what Tyreke Evans did.

Should NCAA basketball be considered a course with credits?

Curious if anyone else would like to chime in with their feelings on this.

 

[85SUAlum]

I think at some point the NCAA needs to abandon the charade that collegiate basketball is anything more than a minor league for the NBA, especially now that the NBA has adopted the rule that basically requires these kids to play at least one year in college before they are even age eligible for the NBA.
When you consider the amount of money the NCAA and schools are making off of these kids, it's a bargain compared to what they are being provided in terms of a "free education".
Maybe it's time to start thinking that the kids are at the school primarily to play basketball and if they want to avail themselves of the opportunity to get a degree at the same time, it's available for them.
I think many of them realize that playing in the NBA is not guaranteed and it would be wise of them to take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them to prepare for a future after basketball.
Of course the schools should be encouraging the athletes to attend class and work towards a degree, but should they be penalized because some of the athletes don't take advantage of the opportunity? I don't think they should, especially if a kid drops out in spring semester to take a shot at the NBA.
I think that's the most ridiculous part of the APR rule - why should a school (and athletes 2years later) be penalized for a player leaving school to enter the draft?
Isn't the purpose of college to prepare students for a career? Isn't playing in the NBA a career? If a player is good enough to leave school early to play in the NBA, hasn't the school done it's part at that point to prepare the kid for a career?
I agree with JB - a school cannot be held responsible if a kid leaves in the spring semester to prepare for the draft - what the heck is the school supposed to do?
Would a school be penalized if a non-athlete left school early because they got a job offer they couldn't resist?
Why penalize them if an athlete gets that opportunity?
I think the NCAA insists on keeping the APR rule, they're going to have to revise this aspect of it or the fans are going to be denied the opportunity to see a number of the top schools in the country play in the NCAA tourney.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Its a joke and why i dont make fun of uconns ban, bc it will be us one day

 

[Cusefan95]

I think the system we have in which colleges serve functionally as minor leagues for the NBA and NFl is absurd. I think colleges like Ohio State making millions off mostly poor minority kids while they're forced to work for no monetary compensation is absurd.

The problem is that the NCAA effectively tries to outlaw a free market. Any time there Re laws that prevent a free market from existing legally, a black market forms. It's happened with drugs, it's happened with prostitution...and it happens in college athletics.

I can at least understand the mindset someone would have in creating a system of laws outlawing drugs and prostitution. But the arguements supporting the way the NCAA is run always strikes me as absurd. I'm don't totally agree with your statements - but you're at least thinking about how to design a system based on reality instead of the fantasy land many people prefer to live in. So that's a good start

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Reduction of scholarships is the appropriate way to punish low APR. Postseason ban does nothing but punish loyal fans that have no involvement in the athletes' academics, and the current players that have put in the hard work in the classroom to remain eligible.

Take away scholarships, fine the schools, fine the coaches, take away the NCAA tourney payments for a specific year in question, but don't ban schools from the tourney.

I actually feel bad for UConn fans facing this.

Another reason postseason bans shouldnt be used; they only punish the most successful teams. If you go 14-17 in the year that you were banned then that portion of your punishment never came into play.

 

[longislandcuse]

Am I the only one who thinks we never see the enforcement of this ban and if we do its a less restrictice measure in terms of requirements? Its just such a horrible rule and it will kill college basketball. I think this will blow up in their faces if they try to enforce it as strict as people think they might.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm just curious how they arrived at their magical number of acceptable/unacceptable. Seems like it would make more sense if it was banded with associated levels of non-compliance.

 

[rstone7727]

It appears this may be one reason (not just the APR rule but NCAA rules in general) for the growth of these "super conferences". Once the four 16 team conferences are in place, they could and probably will, split from the NCAA and form a new association with their own set of rules.

 

[orangenirvana]

It is ed, to put it mildly.

 

[cuse522]

It's also ridiculous that the grades don't matter. A team with 7 players getting A's and three players leaving early in Spring semester would have the same low APR as a team with 7 players getting C's and three players leaving early in the Spring semester.

They would be better off just using a running average of GPA and not punishing you when a player leaves campus early outside of your control.

But, politicians will politic.

 

[longislandcuse]

I dont see UCONN getting a ban, I just dont. Its so beyond ridiculous. The NCAA is a joke.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

These kids are here to play basketball. Hurting a whole program, fanbase, basketball tradition, and the Millions of fans across the US is stupid.

I understand the overall thought but the whole thing looks like some talking heads trying to make the outside look clean.

I wonder how long it will take to some school with lots of money and a good athletic program to jump on the bus and offer very basic courses with really lienient instructors just for student athletes. Courses without finals and more hands on. Show up and pass.
Can't lie I hope Syracuse finds a way to do so and I am entitled to that opinion.

These kids are here to play basketball if they wanted to they could join the army, be apprentices for electricians, roadwork, nursing, daycare anything. But the NCAA decides that they need to have above average academic IQ's when they were created with the body for hands on work.

It just seems stupid to me to take kids who have become athletes based on hands on work and to try to turn them into bookworms.

I see the greater good. These kids have a big responsibility to take care of the fanbase and consider basketball a apprenticeship but the NCAA doesn't see it that way. Its the most selfless and awesome opportunity to have for all the basketaball fans out there. Yet the NCAA is ruining it for fanbases telling schools to roll the dice on kids.

Apprenticeship- training a group of individual based on a group of skills.

Should these student athletes be subject to academic law? Or should they be treated to taking a risk with basketball as a apprenticeship program?

The Fact is Fab might have cost us a championship because the NCAA doesn't recognize Apprenticeship. Meanwhile in Europe these kids are playing basketball for as long as they want to with no practice violations. Heck look what Tyreke Evans did.

Should NCAA basketball be considered a course with credits?

Curious if anyone else would like to chime in with their feelings on this.

I think the transfer rule is dumb. However, the mission of the school is education. Employment is a by-product of that education. College athletes should more closely resemble Scoop, Brandon, and KJ than Fab, Dion and Melo.

 

[longislandcuse]

I think the transfer rule is dumb. However, the mission of the school is education. Employment is a by-product of that education. College athletes should more closely resemble Scoop, Brandon, and KJ than Fab, Dion and Melo.

That ship has sailed.

 

[longislandcuse]

How has UK's name not been mentioned in this? Im sureeeeeee MKG/Davis/Jones are all going to class. Riiiiightttt.

 

[rosconey]

i think the ncaa as we see it is near the end-soon it will cover non revenue sports only imho

the money makers like football hoops baseball will start a new "oversight" system

 

[Shermthegeneral]

For people who haven't played a college sport, you do get credit for playing that sport. When I played I think it was 1 credit hour and the grade is given by the coach.

 

[Knicks411]

How has UK's name not been mentioned in this? Im sureeeeeee MKG/Davis/Jones are all going to class. Riiiiightttt.

For whatever its worth (and I'm not sure it's much, but it is what it is), UK had a 974 score in 2010.

 

[OrangeOnions]

APR, the hypocracy of the NCAA and how universities profit off of their "student-athletes" reminded me of a South Park episode, "Crack Baby Athletic Association." It really picks up around 7:30 mark. Don't watch if you are a touch hole.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e05-crack-baby-athletic-association

 

[All4SU]

Band Aids. We need a legitimate minor league system in basketball. Give those who don't want an education a chance to try their hand at getting paid to play basketball. Let those who do want an education, do so without the false indication of educational responsibility. Ultimately, this will do more to reinforce the value of an education. Let's let scholarships help kids improve their lives, not serve as tryouts for the NBA.

 

[SWC75]

Am I the only one who thinks we never see the enforcement of this ban and if we do its a less restrictice measure in terms of requirements? Its just such a horrible rule and it will kill college basketball. I think this will blow up in their faces if they try to enforce it as strict as people think they might.

Notice how nobody seems to go on any serious probation any more. The NCAA relaized that thsi was counter-productive to their mission of making money and they will realize the same thing about this.

 

[SWC75]

It is ed, to put it mildly.

It dosen't seem to be something that would be devised by anyone with a college education.

 

[xc84]

They should only consider what can be controlled by the school. If a player decides to go pro or transfer to another school, their lack of graduation should not be counted against the school.

 

[SWC75]

I think at some point the NCAA needs to abandon the charade that collegiate basketball is anything more than a minor league for the NBA, especially now that the NBA has adopted the rule that basically requires these kids to play at least one year in college before they are even age eligible for the NBA.
When you consider the amount of money the NCAA and schools are making off of these kids, it's a bargain compared to what they are being provided in terms of a "free education".
Maybe it's time to start thinking that the kids are at the school primarily to play basketball and if they want to avail themselves of the opportunity to get a degree at the same time, it's available for them.
I think many of them realize that playing in the NBA is not guaranteed and it would be wise of them to take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them to prepare for a future after basketball.
Of course the schools should be encouraging the athletes to attend class and work towards a degree, but should they be penalized because some of the athletes don't take advantage of the opportunity? I don't think they should, especially if a kid drops out in spring semester to take a shot at the NBA.
I think that's the most ridiculous part of the APR rule - why should a school (and athletes 2years later) be penalized for a player leaving school to enter the draft?
Isn't the purpose of college to prepare students for a career? Isn't playing in the NBA a career? If a player is good enough to leave school early to play in the NBA, hasn't the school done it's part at that point to prepare the kid for a career?
I agree with JB - a school cannot be held responsible if a kid leaves in the spring semester to prepare for the draft - what the heck is the school supposed to do?
Would a school be penalized if a non-athlete left school early because they got a job offer they couldn't resist?
Why penalize them if an athlete gets that opportunity?
I think the NCAA insists on keeping the APR rule, they're going to have to revise this aspect of it or the fans are going to be denied the opportunity to see a number of the top schools in the country play in the NCAA tourney.

The Law schools produces lawyers. The medical school produces doctors. Why can't the athletic department be a school that produces athletes and coaches? Teach them what they need to know for a career in sport or physical education. if they want to take other courses that could eventually elad to another type of degree, fine.

 

[All4SU]

They should only consider what can be controlled by the school. If a player decides to go pro or transfer to another school, their lack of graduation should not be counted against the school.

It's not whether or not they graduated. It's are they on track to graduate.

 

[Shermthegeneral]

Does anyone know if they weigh bball and football differently? Bball is at a major disadvantage if it's judged on a percentage