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Does anyone else feel the NCAA needs to change the APR rule???

Does anyone know if they weigh bball and football differently? Bball is at a major disadvantage if it's judged on a percentage

As far as I am aware they are scored the same. BBall has it much harder than football, don't want to upset the money makers.

The NCAA ban is bad for a ton of reasons, it's made dumber by not allowing schools time to adjust for the new rule. The end of that sentence is probably why the NCAA won't adjust the scores used to calculate APR for eligibility in the 2012-2013 NCAAT. If the NCAA adjusts the scores that will give schools a very short window to apply for waivers and rising seniors a short window to transfer (as Oriakhi is considering).
 
It's not whether or not they graduated. It's are they on track to graduate.
So, if a player is "on track"...and leaves in the middle of the semester...(out of SU's control), that does not hurt SU's APR?
 
So, if a player is "on track"...and leaves in the middle of the semester...(out of SU's control), that does not hurt SU's APR?

Semester by semester. If he is enrolled for a semester, then he is expected to satisfactorily complete that semester.
 
So, if a player is "on track"...and leaves in the middle of the semester...(out of SU's control), that does not hurt SU's APR?

He'd need to finish the semester.
 
Semester by semester. If he is enrolled for a semester, then he is expected to satisfactorily complete that semester.
Ok...so that goes to my point. APR should not be about what the school cannot control and they cannot control a player leaving mid-semester. The school could be doing everything right but will get dinged because the player decides to leave.
 
The major flaw is 99% of the programs Aren't affected by the rule because they don't have multiple nba caliber players on their roster so if they lose 1, no big deal but the elite programs get the shaft if they don't cheat and have a professor look the other way or have someone else do the kids work! Do you think Anthony Davis or Gillchrist are going to class and completing their semester? I sure wouldn't be if I was getting ready for the nba!
 
the NCAA is ridiculous. Young Musicians and child actors can make money but 18-22 year old men can't? Players should never be censored from making money of their talent while they can. Once you're out of high school most kids need to support themselves. Denying kids the opportunity to make money is downright cruel. Think of all the people working at an SU game, and then its the players who are the only ones who don't get paid. If SU could pay its players then maybe kids like Jarron Jones stays home to play football. The window for most kids to capitalize of their talents is during college and they should be able to cash in while they can.

To me, the reason why we don't see a change is because there is no incentive for the people in charge. University presidents, athletic directors, and coaches would probably half to take pay cuts to pay the players. God forbid Rick Pitino make less then 7.5 million dollars a year. Thats enough money to live for the rest of your life!!!! Not one will speak out against the NCAA because they're living the good life and could really care less about the kids. I know there will be someone someday with the balls to say what needs to be said. I can't think of any other billion dollar enterprise where the main workers and the most valuable commodities don't get paid. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! WE ALL NEED MONEY TO SURVIVE IN THIS WORLD!!!! ( not directed to anyone here just saying in general).
 
APR, the hypocracy of the NCAA and how universities profit off of their "student-athletes" reminded me of a South Park episode, "Crack Baby Athletic Association." It really picks up around 7:30 mark. Don't watch if you are a touch hole.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e05-crack-baby-athletic-association

That's one of my favorite episodes. It's quite obvious that the South PArk guys are making a definite statement about the way the NCAA operates, making tons of money off of what is essentially slave labor.
Look at how much money they make off of the NCAA video games, uniforms, etc. that have the player numbers and sometimes their likenesses that the players get no piece of.
 
the NCAA is ridiculous. Young Musicians and child actors can make money but 18-22 year old men can't? Players should never be censored from making money of their talent while they can. Once you're out of high school most kids need to support themselves. Denying kids the opportunity to make money is downright cruel. Think of all the people working at an SU game, and then its the players who are the only ones who don't get paid. If SU could pay its players then maybe kids like Jarron Jones stays home to play football. The window for most kids to capitalize of their talents is during college and they should be able to cash in while they can.

To me, the reason why we don't see a change is because there is no incentive for the people in charge. University presidents, athletic directors, and coaches would probably half to take pay cuts to pay the players. God forbid Rick Pitino make less then 7.5 million dollars a year. Thats enough money to live for the rest of your life!!!! Not one will speak out against the NCAA because they're living the good life and could really care less about the kids. I know there will be someone someday with the balls to say what needs to be said. I can't think of any other billion dollar enterprise where the main workers and the most valuable commodities don't get paid. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! WE ALL NEED MONEY TO SURVIVE IN THIS WORLD!!!! ( not directed to anyone here just saying in general).

If kids want to get paid to play basketball, they should get a job playing basketball. What we NEED is a minor league NBA, to get those kids who want cash money out of college and off supporting themselves, and let student athletes be student athletes again.
 
That's one of my favorite episodes. It's quite obvious that the South PArk guys are making a definite statement about the way the NCAA operates, making tons of money off of what is essentially slave labor.
Look at how much money they make off of the NCAA video games, uniforms, etc. that have the player numbers and sometimes their likenesses that the players get no piece of.
The cost of attendance at SU is about $55K per year. Essentially slave labor? I hardly think so. It's a free country. If a player does not feel the $55K is worth their abilities, the player can go somewhere else.
 
If kids want to get paid to play basketball, they should get a job playing basketball. What we NEED is a minor league NBA, to get those kids who want cash money out of college and off supporting themselves, and let student athletes be student athletes again.
Isn't that what the D-League is?
 
Isn't that what the D-League is?

Sure doesn't seem like it. If that was the stepping stone to the NBA, wouldn't talented HS players who want to be paid go there instead of to college? What's stopping them?
 
Sure doesn't seem like it. If that was the stepping stone to the NBA, wouldn't talented HS players who want to be paid go there instead of to college? What's stopping them?
Nothing is stopping them. Nothing. Simple supply and demand. They feel they get more benefit by going to college. They weigh the value of the minor league v. what they get from college. They make the choice.
 
If kids want to get paid to play basketball, they should get a job playing basketball. What we NEED is a minor league NBA, to get those kids who want cash money out of college and off supporting themselves, and let student athletes be student athletes again.

were talking about two differnt levels of sports...the upper echelon of college football and basketball make so much money and
are so different compared to lower D1 that there needs to be a seperation. Are you saying you want SU to not recruit the best kids in the country to play sports? These kids are here to play sports. If you want student athletes then why not just have in-house basketball try outs and make the team from the actual student population.

Sure doesn't seem like it. If that was the stepping stone to the NBA, wouldn't talented HS players who want to be paid go there instead of to college? What's stopping them?

Players are recieving benefits under the table. The college game gives way more exposure and has been the more competive league for far longer. Comparing the D league to big time college basketball is like comparing Burger King to a 5 star restaurant. Players are spoiled while they're in school and probably get anything they want. Ask yourself the question would I rather play for the Maine Redclaws of play at SU and I'll think you'll pick SU.
 
The cost of attendance at SU is about $55K per year. Essentially slave labor? I hardly think so. It's a free country. If a player does not feel the $55K is worth their abilities, the player can go somewhere else.

Im pretty sure the player would rather take 55 large given the option. A tuition that cost 55k is hardly worth the same as 55k in cash.
 
Nothing is stopping them. Nothing. Simple supply and demand. They feel they get more benefit by going to college. They weigh the value of the minor league v. what they get from college. They make the choice.

Well then, there you are. They made the decision to play basketball in exchange for an education. If they want to play professional basketball, go to the D League and get paid.
 
Im pretty sure the player would rather take 55 large given the option. A tuition that cost 55k is hardly worth the same as 55k in cash.
Sounds good. If someone feels they are worth "55 large" and they offer the kid "55 large" the kid can then accept it rather than a college education worth that much. The kid is free to do so.

Heck, I would rather take "300 large" over what my current employer is giving me per year. However, until someone offers me it ...it really doesn't matter what I prefer.
 
were talking about two differnt levels of sports...the upper echelon of college football and basketball make so much money and
are so different compared to lower D1 that there needs to be a seperation. Are you saying you want SU to not recruit the best kids in the country to play sports? These kids are here to play sports. If you want student athletes then why not just have in-house basketball try outs and make the team from the actual student population.

I'm saying I want collegiate athletics to be amateur athletics -- with student athletes. IMHO, people are just too quick to abandon this concept. Their "solution" is just to pay the players. That will absolutely ruin a game and a concept that is already teetering on the brink. IF the system is broken -- which I think we both agree it is -- let's fix this system and not just cave in and allow the integrity and purpose of collegiate athletics to disappear.

I am VERY concerned that people don't value education. I believe this is particularly true among the lower socioeconomic strata, who see drugs, professional sports and jail as their only options. Let's re-design the system so that those kids who want to play professional basketball, and don't want to do much in school (high school, college, et al) move on with their lives. Let them be professional athletes. Let other kids -- kids who also have athletic skills -- use those skills to better themselves...get an education, get a degree, have a career. Let them pursue real life aspirations -- be an accountant, be an engineer, be a banker. Ultimately, this does more to benefit society, and reinforce the idea that education is the answer to raising one's self up -- not some spare change that will be spent by tomorrow.



Players are recieving benefits under the table. The college game gives way more exposure and has been the more competive league for far longer. Comparing the D league to big time college basketball is like comparing Burger King to a 5 star restaurant. Players are spoiled while they're in school and probably get anything they want. Ask yourself the question would I rather play for the Maine Redclaws of play at SU and I'll think you'll pick SU.

Yes, the college game as it exists gives way more exposure. If more of these kids went D-League, maybe that wouldn't be the case. You're trying to compare college as it exists now, with the D-League as it exists now. I'm saying the system is flawed. The D-League is for aspiring professional athletes. College is for an education, and for some, a chance to compete at a high level of athletics. You see, I accept that college athletics has become too big for it's own good. The current debate on paying players is evidence of that, in my opinion. Would college programs make less money? Yes. I'm okay with that too.

Consider this: Maybe if more kids saw that if they went to the D-League and made a modest pay check for a few years -- and STILL didn't make it in the NBA -- that an education would have had more value to them. Maybe reinforcing that message is a good thing.
 
Nothing is stopping them. Nothing. Simple supply and demand. They feel they get more benefit by going to college. They weigh the value of the minor league v. what they get from college. They make the choice.
Isn't there a minimum age requirement for the NBA? I would assume that applies to the D-League as well. I'm sure if going D-League instead of college ball were an option, there'd be a number of athletes going that route.
 
Isn't there a minimum age requirement for the NBA? I would assume that applies to the D-League as well. I'm sure if going D-League instead of college ball were an option, there'd be a number of athletes going that route.

Didn;'t think of that. You are probably right, which makes Europe the option. (Brandon Jennings)
 
Isn't there a minimum age requirement for the NBA? I would assume that applies to the D-League as well. I'm sure if going D-League instead of college ball were an option, there'd be a number of athletes going that route.
D-league minimum age is 18. NBA requires 19 and at least one year out of high school. D-League a valid option for almost any kid who has the talent. They still choose college. Why? Because the really good kids think they get better bang for their buck by getting college exposure. It's still their choice. They are making a financial decision. No one if forcing them.
 
Isn't there a minimum age requirement for the NBA? I would assume that applies to the D-League as well. I'm sure if going D-League instead of college ball were an option, there'd be a number of athletes going that route.

Well now, what would be easier to fix? Getting the age limit changed (which is dumb, and is only in place to protect the colleges)? Or start paying players?
 
Well now, what would be easier to fix? Getting the age limit changed (which is dumb, and is only in place to protect the colleges)? Or start paying players?
I don't think 18 is that limiting.
 
Isn't there a minimum age requirement for the NBA? I would assume that applies to the D-League as well. I'm sure if going D-League instead of college ball were an option, there'd be a number of athletes going that route.

If Fab Melo wasn't wearing the S on his Jersey, and instead was playing for Des Moines or Yuma, how many do you think would actually want to watch him? In the free market these players can't get the benefits they are offered in college.
 
If you work for a very successful company, which the owners make ridiculous amounts of money from, should you be entitled to more pay? You could leave .. and you will find the market for your services is no hihger... in fact it could well be less. But hey, you are now making a "fairer" share of the pie now. Are you any better off?

Its the same with college players. The other options of a minor league are not appealing at all. Your lifestyle is worse, your living more day to day, travelling more, eating like , and have crappier training facilities. But hey the owners make a whole lot less. so its "fair". But are you any better off?

Like the owners of a successful company, the universities / NCAA created the successful brand. People say its the players that make the money, but put the same SU players in a minor league game in Bakersfield and hardly nobody cares. Its not the back of the jersey that is making the money, its the brand that was created by the front of the jersey.

Stop whining, nobody is forcing you to play in the NCAA. Its a free market, try it out. See if its any better.

Instead of focusing on paying athletes the NCAA should focus on basic decency concepts to ensure they are treated fairly:
a) If a coach leaves, you can leave without the trasnfer
b) A new coach or any coach, can't take away your scholarship for purely basketball reasons.
c) Protection for injuries.

There is many more. But this is what should be focused on, not if the stars should be paid.
 

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