Does anyone have the courage to come up with an argument on how next year is better?

[007]

I am not disagreeing with you on what should happen.

All I am saying is what should happen and what will happen are two different things.

The Donger is on record here with his sources saying year 3 AND 4 are guaranteed for Red, hence why I don't think JB was just saying stuff.

But agreed that if season tix renewals crater and the dome is drawing 5-8K actual attendances consistently on home games next year, never say never. You can't stick with a big "Red in the Red" revenue deficit like that. But deficit maths is the only out I think.

The "Donger"??

 

[kingtidge]

The "Donger"??

Bulldog04

He spent this year's holidays on the board with a modified username "Bulldong04"

 

[Red2003]

Bulldog04

He spent this year's holidays on the board with a modified username "Bulldong04"

Same say he formally changed his real name to that he liked it so much.

 

[kingtidge]

Same say he formally changed his real name to that he liked it so much.

 

[CuseIn282xx]

You forgot Kardashians in the stands. Last night would have been a much better game had there been a few celebs sitting courtside playing on their phones.

Joe Biden ain't doing nothing now. (I'll just leave that there as a straight line...)

 

[AcAndAc]

Good stuff. Here's the kick I'm on today.

-Bell the best 3 point shooter in the ACC last year played so terribly he had to be benched.
-JC played so terribly at the 1 that we had to put in a Freshman Shooting Guard to replace him.
-Donnie we got 15 games out of
-JJ missed 7 games
-Eddie back issues and conditioning concerns

Then last year down goes Naheem, Benny booted, JT lost his shot. Not alot of people remember but Judah was suspended in Nov over whatever, Q couldn't even pretend to go to class...

Autry has alot of faults and should get the blame but he's also 2 years in and has not got through a season without major injuries and multiple players turning out to have all kinds of issues.

I really hope we get to see a season next year where Autry's starting 5 is actually healthy and functioning the way he thinks it should. I think it will bring closure one way or another to alot of endless what ifs on Autry.

I may not think he's a good coach personally but I'm not going to lose my mind giving him a 3rd chance.

3 strikes though and he's out, I don't care if the whole starting 5 is walking around in Donnie Freeman boots next year either, this is business and if he doesn't perform he's out.

3 strikes... I think so too. But if the admin was to say next year is a make it or break it year... how the heck would he be able to recruit? You have to talk the talk on him being here long term. And if next year is a flop, then he is gone. As much as he has failed to show anything, it would look pretty bad to fire him after 2 years absent a scandal.

It took JB 30 years or so to have a 14 loss season... but he averaged 14.5 the last 8 (excluding 2020). JB was 33-32 his last two years. Red right now is sitting at 31-25 over his two years. (Edit: JB was 51-46 his last three full years--5 games over .500, still worse than Red). Can you fire a guy who has done BETTER winning percentage wise than his predecessor?? As much as the product is poor, this is just reality. Sorry.

 

[tptcuse]

Good stuff. Here's the kick I'm on today.

-Bell the best 3 point shooter in the ACC last year played so terribly he had to be benched.
-JC played so terribly at the 1 that we had to put in a Freshman Shooting Guard to replace him.
-Donnie we got 15 games out of
-JJ missed 7 games
-Eddie back issues and conditioning concerns

Then last year down goes Naheem, Benny booted, JT lost his shot. Not alot of people remember but Judah was suspended in Nov over whatever, Q couldn't even pretend to go to class...

Autry has alot of faults and should get the blame but he's also 2 years in and has not got through a season without major injuries and multiple players turning out to have all kinds of issues.

I really hope we get to see a season next year where Autry's starting 5 is actually healthy and functioning the way he thinks it should. I think it will bring closure one way or another to alot of endless what ifs on Autry.

I may not think he's a good coach personally but I'm not going to lose my mind giving him a 3rd chance.

3 strikes though and he's out, I don't care if the whole starting 5 is walking around in Donnie Freeman boots next year either, this is business and if he doesn't perform he's out.

And Chance was supposed to be a factor both years.

 

[Cheriehoop]

GMac was added to a quality nucleus of sophomores in Warrick / Forth / Pace [and senior Duany]. And Melo was a superior recruit who took that mix to the next level.

I can get behind the notion that you can have outstanding results without having a team of elite recruits.

But you have to have either a strong offensive / defensive concept, or superior talent, to excel. And right now, we have neither.

Agree and competitive players who just absolutely hate losing.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The Donger is on record here with his sources saying year 3 AND 4 are guaranteed for Red, hence why I don't think JB was just saying stuff.

Man, that's just a terrible job of negotiation.
That is some seriously fan boy amateur BS.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Good stuff. Here's the kick I'm on today.

-Bell the best 3 point shooter in the ACC last year played so terribly he had to be benched.
-JC played so terribly at the 1 that we had to put in a Freshman Shooting Guard to replace him.
-Donnie we got 15 games out of
-JJ missed 7 games
-Eddie back issues and conditioning concerns

Then last year down goes Naheem, Benny booted, JT lost his shot. Not alot of people remember but Judah was suspended in Nov over whatever, Q couldn't even pretend to go to class...

Autry has alot of faults and should get the blame but he's also 2 years in and has not got through a season without major injuries and multiple players turning out to have all kinds of issues.

I really hope we get to see a season next year where Autry's starting 5 is actually healthy and functioning the way he thinks it should. I think it will bring closure one way or another to alot of endless what ifs on Autry.

I may not think he's a good coach personally but I'm not going to lose my mind giving him a 3rd chance.

3 strikes though and he's out, I don't care if the whole starting 5 is walking around in Donnie Freeman boots next year either, this is business and if he doesn't perform he's out.

See, if 40% of the team is in a constant state of mutiny, you're just not managing the roster well.

 

[RF2044]

See, if 40% of the team is in a constant state of mutiny, you're just not managing the roster well.

That's the thing. Let's just say that he took over, and the players weren't willing to get with the program. It happens; the majority of them signed up to play for a different coach, not unreasonable to think that they might balk on a new culture getting implemented that requires them to do different things. So maybe some of them tune the new coach out, or treat him like the substitute teacher.

But that was last year. When you have those dust ups, you weed out the problems, and move forward with guys willing to get with the program.

What's the excuse in year 2, beyond maybe just that the head coach can't manage the locker room?

 

[FloridaCuse]

Here's what's a mystery to me -- why would Carmelo want his son, who I assume he would like to play in the NBA, to be coached by this coaching staff? If anyone on here has answered that question I missed it. Is it because of loyalty? Is it because he'll be able to play more minutes here than elsewhere? Or, does he see something many on here don't? Or, is there something else afoot that we won't find out about until sometime down the road? It just doesn't add up right now.