Does Dickie V Know Something We Don't?

[Sgt Cuse]

To me it's analogous to moving the ACCT to NYC. It doesn't have to be done. Things are going fine as it is. A group of pretty powerful people will be inconvenienced if it happens. But deep down you just feel it's the smart thing to do.

The time is right and this would take advantage of the opportunity. Feed the media frenzy, grow this thing, dominate.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I am not against moving the court for a game. I am against moving the court for a conference game, and I am against collecting money from people for season tickets and then moving the court.

I would love to see SU move the court for a big-time non-conference game (Kentucky, Georgetown, or UConn come to mind) where you can do it in a way that doesn't piss on the people who have been loyal to the program.

I disagree. I think part of the point is the huge publicity for the ACC. Get the largest on-campus crowd by a lot, for a regular season in-conference game. That's part of the point, show the world people are pretty stoked about the new conference Upstate. GTown who? A new sheriff and rivalry is in town that matches up against any other -ever. Why on Earth would you allow your out of conference rivals to be part of such a tremendous event.

Start this thing with a bang! Show the world people are psyched about the new thing Upstate. 50k would be impressive. That gets talked about across the country. It makes a statement. I think the timing is right, it could be done.

 

[longtimefan]

@DickieV: I'm thinking how the Carrier Dome will rock when the Cuse & HoFer Jim Boeheim welcome the Dukies -gut says they break record of over 50 K !

As per my handle, I will opine as another graybeard (saw first SU game in 1964):

Of the ~50,000 seats, how many would be lousy? 35K? More?

Plus--do you want to give up your home court advantage vs. your top competitor? Would Duke move the re-match out of Cameron and to a larger venue?


A gimmick, in my opinion. And, just part of the whole trend of sports morphing into "entertainment" because the powers that be are chasing a few extra bucks.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It's one freakin' game. Come on.

People are so adverse to change here. Then it (usually) works out and everyone is like "wow, that makes sense now". The ads in NYC come to mind.

At the VERY least we break an all-time record that will likely stand for many, many years so we likely won't move the court again. It will be the lead story on Sportscenter that night.

The only concern that is valid is that of the season ticket holders/big boosters who will be displaced. But like I said, it's for one game. You can suck it up for one game for the good of the program and getting incredible publicity.

It's only one game, right.

Suppose you book a weeks vacation at a resort for you and your family. You pay for a suite with a balcony overlooking the ocean. After the hotel takes your money, they decide to bump you to a room in the basement overlooking the parking lot.

It's only one week of your vacation. You can suck it up. It's for the good of the hotel. You'll have plenty of vacation time next year.

It's the principle of the matter. Season ticket holders paid for a certain view of the court. After SU took our money (renewals were due last Friday), they can't move the court 50 yards farther away from us. And there aren't really any equivalent seats to move to. For example, you have season tickets in Sec 114 Row E, behind the basket. Where can they move you to so you can get the same view? Sec 109? You're at least 40 yards away from the action. It'll never work.

It seems like there are two sides of the coin here. People who want to actually see and enjoy the game, and people who only want to be part of a "spectacle".

BTW ... we already have an all-time record that will stand for many years. And I'm 99% certain that Duke vs SU will be the lead story on ESPN that weekend.

 

[Jeremy L.]

This is somewhat off-topic, but depending on how much you donate, what does that actually give you? I know you can get first dibs on tickets for NCAA Tournament, Orange Club. What else does one actually receive from donating a lot of money?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

There would quite obviously be seats behind the basket. It's not like the nearest behind the basket seat would be in section 108 or something. Here's the seating chart for the Georgia Dome:

They scrapped all the 100 level seats in the Georgia Dome and built entirely new temporary seating platforms.

See how the platforms slope down from the 100 level right to the basketball court. They also had two weeks before the event to construct the platforms, and a week after the event to take everything down.

The only way that SU could pull this off would be if SU had at least a week between home games before and after. And the Women's team would also be banished to the road for a couple of weeks.

And it's not cheap. Is the extra revenue from 10-12,000 tickets going to cover this expense?

 

[Bill Orange]

It's only one game, right.

Suppose you book a weeks vacation at a resort for you and your family. You pay for a suite with a balcony overlooking the ocean. After the hotel takes your money, they decide to bump you to a room in the basement overlooking the parking lot.

It's only one week of your vacation. You can suck it up. It's for the good of the hotel. You'll have plenty of vacation time next year.

 

[shandeezy7]

They scrapped all the 100 level seats in the Georgia Dome and built entirely new temporary seating platforms.

See how the platforms slope down from the 100 level right to the basketball court. They also had two weeks before the event to construct the platforms, and a week after the event to take everything down.

The only way that SU could pull this off would be if SU had at least a week between home games before and after. And the Women's team would also be banished to the road for a couple of weeks.

And it's not cheap. Is the extra revenue from 10-12,000 tickets going to cover this expense?

I guess that part is TBD. I have no idea how much it would cost, nor any idea how much extra they would make, although I would assume if you fit an extra 15,000 people in there with ticket prices, parking costs and concessions, that's probably a nice chunk of change. I suppose they could also line up some special sponsorship deals as well.

 

[Conrad13]

It's only one game, right.

Suppose you book a weeks vacation at a resort for you and your family. You pay for a suite with a balcony overlooking the ocean. After the hotel takes your money, they decide to bump you to a room in the basement overlooking the parking lot.

It's only one week of your vacation. You can suck it up. It's for the good of the hotel. You'll have plenty of vacation time next year.

It's the principle of the matter. Season ticket holders paid for a certain view of the court. After SU took our money (renewals were due last Friday), they can't move the court 50 yards farther away from us. And there aren't really any equivalent seats to move to. For example, you have season tickets in Sec 114 Row E, behind the basket. Where can they move you to so you can get the same view? Sec 109? You're at least 40 yards away from the action. It'll never work.

It seems like there are two sides of the coin here. People who want to actually see and enjoy the game, and people who only want to be part of a "spectacle".

BTW ... we already have an all-time record that will stand for many years. And I'm 99% certain that Duke vs SU will be the lead story on ESPN that weekend.

I'm not moved by this argument. First of all, it's a two hour basketball game, not a week's vacation. Second, the season ticket holders have tickets to many other games. Finally, there ought to be plenty of good seats for the game, so you won't be getting moved from the balcony to the basement. You will likely be getting really good seats for a really fun event. I'm considering flying out from Chicago to attend.

Someone posed the question, if the season ticket holders had known of the decision to move the court, would they have still purchased the season tickets? My guess is that most would say, yes. Personally, I would consider the special game an added bonus.

 

[sabach]

This is probably a stupid idea but couldn't they try this for a pre conference game in November/December just to see what it is like? If you have to screw the season ticket holders out of a game this year, why not make it the Binghamton game or such just to see if it is feasible. Then if it is feasible, make it part of next season's schedule so that everyone has knowledge before they buy tickets.

 

[sutomcat]

They scrapped all the 100 level seats in the Georgia Dome and built entirely new temporary seating platforms.

See how the platforms slope down from the 100 level right to the basketball court. They also had two weeks before the event to construct the platforms, and a week after the event to take everything down.

The only way that SU could pull this off would be if SU had at least a week between home games before and after. And the Women's team would also be banished to the road for a couple of weeks.

And it's not cheap. Is the extra revenue from 10-12,000 tickets going to cover this expense?

Good post.

To me, you don't even think about moving the court the the 50 yard line, and have to deal with all the major problems that have been mentioned in this thread, until you open up the entire eastern end zone of the third deck for ticket sales.

I suspect people at the bottom of the sections near the rail won't be able to see the whole court, but people can't see the court well from anywhere past the goal line and they pay for the seats anyway for big games. It would get the capacity of the Dome for a big game to around 40K with a minimum impact on anyone.

Don't worry about moving the court to the 50 yard line until you have solid proof that there are more than 40K of fans out there willing to spend big bucks on bad seats.

This would also give SU an opportunity to pre warn its season ticket holders than a special event is being planned for the coming season that will impact their game day experience.

The season ticket holders are the biggest stakeholders for the program. They deserve to be treated with at least a modicum of respect and consideration.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

This is probably a stupid idea but couldn't they try this for a pre conference game in November/December just to see what it is like? If you have to screw the season ticket holders out of a game this year, why not make it the Binghamton game or such just to see if it is feasible. Then if it is feasible, make it part of next season's schedule so that everyone has knowledge before they buy tickets.

Is there enough time between games to pull this off?

Usually there are 2-3 home games a week during the pre-season.

And Binghamton in a 50,000 seat arena scares me.

 

[Bill Orange]

Is there enough time between games to pull this off?

Usually there are 2-3 home games a week during the pre-season.

And Binghamton in a 50,000 seat arena scares me.

Got a feeling it will be scheduled for the last Saturday of the regular season, which would be Saturday, March 8th.

But remeber, we have not only the Orangewomen hoopsters, but Orangemen Lax in the scheduling mix as well.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

This would also give SU an opportunity to pre warn its season ticket holders than a special event is being planned for the coming season that will impact their game day experience.

The season ticket holders are the biggest stakeholders for the program. They deserve to be treated with at least a modicum of respect and consideration.

It seems like the 15,000 season ticket holders and boosters are being told to "suck it up" by the people who don't attend games now. They think it's a great idea because they personally have nothing to lose.

 

[sutomcat]

Got a feeling it will be scheduled for the last Saturday of the regular season, which would be Saturday, March 8th.

But remeber, we have not only the Orangewomen hoopsters, but Orangemen Lax in the scheduling mix as well.

I think Duke has played UNC on the last Saturday of the regular season since before anyone on the board was born.

My guess is the weekend before that one.

Would be great if this happened though.

 

[Consigliere]

The other thing that's kind of annoying me about this is it being labeled as a "one time event". That's what Axe was calling it in his tweets.

Aren't we in the ACC now? Suddenly a home game with Duke is a one time event?

We probably have the Top 10 of all time on campus crowds ever recorded. There's nothing wrong with just continuing to do that I'm sure this will take over the existing record with our regular configuration. It's a good thing.

Great point. Aren't we home-and-home with Duke this year? Does it take some of the historical luster off the event if this is the second of the two games?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Got a feeling it will be scheduled for the last Saturday of the regular season, which would be Saturday, March 8th.

But remeber, we have not only the Orangewomen hoopsters, but Orangemen Lax in the scheduling mix as well.

I'm sure the ACC will be kind enough to give us a road LAX game that weekend. And we're due to play at UVa the previous week and Hopkins the following week.

Even numbered home schedules always suck.

 

[shandeezy7]

It seems like the 15,000 season ticket holders and boosters are being told to "suck it up" by the people who don't attend games now. They think it's a great idea because they personally have nothing to lose.

It's really a matter of perspective. If season ticket holders were being asked to move from courtside seats to the opposite endzone, then I would obviously say they have a legitimate gripe. But in reality, most season ticket holders would most likely be minimally inconvenienced. Like instead of being 30 feet from the court, you are 50 feet from the court. I really don't see how in the grand scheme of things that is such a big deal that some on the board here are in borderline anarchy mode.

And for the record, no, I am not currently a season ticket holder, although I do attend about 60 to 75% of the home games, depending on the season and outside circumstances. I have been considering getting season tickets this year, and the positioning of the court for the Duke game or any other games is probably not going to influence my decision one way or another.

 

[Garbs]

It seems like the 15,000 season ticket holders and boosters are being told to "suck it up" by the people who don't attend games now. They think it's a great idea because they personally have nothing to lose.

season ticket holders seem to think regular joe shmoe's will have better seats than them

when in reality they may be a little further from the court but will still have equivalent seats in the new setup

 

[Garbs]

As per my handle, I will opine as another graybeard (saw first SU game in 1964):

Of the ~50,000 seats, how many would be lousy? 35K? More?

Plus--do you want to give up your home court advantage vs. your top competitor? Would Duke move the re-match out of Cameron and to a larger venue?


A gimmick, in my opinion. And, just part of the whole trend of sports morphing into "entertainment" because the powers that be are chasing a few extra bucks.

I bet there would be less lousy seats than with the record breaking crowds in the current setup

 

[Melancer46]

I don't have time to read through the whole thread, but if they move the court, I would assume they'd move the season ticket holders closer. But it they put in temporary seats closer to the court, what happens to the seats behind them? The elevation of the new seats would block the old seats view, wouldn't it? I assume there's some sort of simple solution for this that I just can't picture in my head right now lol.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It's really a matter of perspective. If season ticket holders were being asked to move from courtside seats to the opposite endzone, then I would obviously say they have a legitimate gripe. But in reality, most season ticket holders would most likely be minimally inconvenienced. Like instead of being 30 feet from the court, you are 50 feet from the court. I really don't see how in the grand scheme of things that is such a big deal that some on the board here are in borderline anarchy mode.

My parents are in their 80's. For them, the difference between 30' and 60' is drastic.

It sucks that people get old.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

season ticket holders seem to think regular joe shmoe's will have better seats than them

when in reality they may be a little further from the court but will still have equivalent seats in the new setup

My fear is that everyone ends up with worse seats. If you're further from the court, it's not really equivalent. See my earlier post about my 80 year old parents.

 

[Ragman2000]

It sucks that people get old.

Beats the alternative.

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[OrangeXtreme]

Beats the alternative.

Sharing a popsicle tray with Ted Williams?