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LOL he's 10-6 vs Lappas. Orangehoops.org has every season game by game. This stuff is easy to find out.
REALLY? Louisville played 11 guys, 9 for 8 minutes or more. That's 1 more than SU has AVAILABLE, 2 more that play. After watching both games, tell me which players on SU would you prefer over the Louisville players. I'd take maybe Lydon and Battle.The talent levels of these two programs is not so different as to explain the result
REALLY? Louisville played 11 guys, 9 for 8 minutes or more. That's 1 more than SU has AVAILABLE, 2 more that play. After watching both games, tell me which players on SU would you prefer over the Louisville players. I'd take maybe Lydon and Battle.
LOL he's 10-6 vs Lappas. Orangehoops.org has every season game by game. This stuff is easy to find out.
Damn, I was going to post as similar thread but the OP beat me too it.
JB is 5-12 now against Pitino at L'ville.
Has any other coach owned JB as much as Pitino has?
That is basically the whole list. Jamie Dixon and Rick Pitino. I'm scared for our future post Boeheim. I have a feeling the list is going to get much longer.Nobody owns Boeheim like Jamie Dixon owns Boeheim. I think he has a 15-6 record against JB.
That is basically the whole list. Jamie Dixon and Rick Pitino. I'm scared for our future post Boeheim. I have a feeling the list is going to get much longer.
Jay Wright was no slouch eitherNobody owns Boeheim like Jamie Dixon owns Boeheim. I think he has a 15-6 record against JB.
I don't know if that's a dig on Hop or not b/c who knows how he'll do. What I agree with, however, is that replacing legends is something that is extremely tough to do. UNC stumbled post-Dean with Gut/Doherty, Esherick struggled post JTII, Mahoney never won 20 after Carnesecca, Stallings is struggling in a big way post Dixon (maybe not really a legend but 328 wins in 13 years will be hard to top) ... bottom line is that it's not easy. For all the warts JB has -- some are way overblown, others are very real -- his record speaks for itself and anyone who even approaches what he has brought in terms of consistency and continued success would be a huge success.
Not sure people realize that as fun as it is to dream on (insert hot young coaching candidate's name), there is every bit as much of a chance of the program falling off as there is of us taking any sort of step forward. It's the reality.
Pitino knows how to attack the zone. And he always has talent. So he wins most of the time. The zone works because it's based on playing the percentages. Most teams don't know how to attack it...and fewer have the talent to do it.
to steal a line from the announcers Pitino game plans to attack your weaknesses, JB does his thing and if you beat it, oh well.
Response was not about how much time the kids play but to the talent level for both teams being the same. I would say having 9 kids play 8 mins or more versus 7 kids playing the same would indicate that Louisville has MORE talent. And I also pointed out that I would prefer many of the guys on Louisville over SU. So if you took the starting 5 for both teams, which guys would you prefer. I still say only Lydon and Battle from SU. I have seen where some here would take Mitchell over Battle which in that case makes it 4 to 1 Louisville.According to Boeheim, that shouldn't matter. College kids don't get tired. Timeouts every four minutes. Something something something.
Basically, it was the two coaches who played muscle up, banging style defense. Pitino's kids don't body up (especially on the outside) as much as they use to but they still use plenty of muscle. Like UNC does on the boards.That is basically the whole list. Jamie Dixon and Rick Pitino. I'm scared for our future post Boeheim. I have a feeling the list is going to get much longer.
Response was not about how much time the kids play but to the talent level for both teams being the same. I would say having 9 kids play 8 mins or more versus 7 kids playing the same would indicate that Louisville has MORE talent. And I also pointed out that I would prefer many of the guys on Louisville over SU. So if you took the starting 5 for both teams, which guys would you prefer. I still say only Lydon and Battle from SU. I have seen where some here would take Mitchell over Battle which in that case makes it 4 to 1 Louisville.
Hop is going to do what he has been trained to do for his entire coaching career. Not realistic to think he's going to be in the Pitino mold.I hope Hop mimics Pitino's system when he takes over. The ability to plan multiple defenses with a pretty deep rotation sure would be nice. Louisville always has great guards too.
JB had a 10-6 series edge over Nova when Lappas was coach
Your last line just goes to show that you just believe that Pitino is a better coach than JB. I disagree first of all that the talent level of the 2 starting 5's was equal. Second, the facts are Louisville started guys with more experience in the system than SU. They started 2 jr's, 2 so and 1 freshmen. SU started 4 guys new to the system. King for L is a freshmen that was higher rated than Battle by ESPN. So even if the talent level is equal, which I don't agree, then the experience factor alone can make a big difference. And if you think time in the system doesn't mean much just look back at the teams performance in the OCS versus now. There is a very high chance that the team in it's current state could have eliminated at least 2 of not 3 of the awful performances pre conference.By virtue of their end-of-bench being better than our situation, I agree with you. Because we've got a short roster, Chukwu's hurt, and apparently Coleman is, too.
Switch starting fives, though, and I fear Pitino would win a bunch of matchups with Gillon/Battle/White/Lydon/Thompson against Louisville's players. He gets a lot out of very average recruits. I said it after the first game and I stand by it: kids like Mahmoud and Dieng are stiffs at Syracuse. At Louisville, they outplay our guys. I have no doubt that a healthy Chukwu would produce for them and I'm equally confident that Mahmoud would've been in the same spot Chukwu was headed in late November: glued to Syracuse's bench.
Long story short, Pitino's a very good coach in terms of player development. I don't know why he doesn't recruit better, but it's impressive that he wins consistently with the players he gets.
Ah, yes, Dixon. Just looked it up and officially, he has a 14-6 record over JB (1 other win was over Hop when JB was suspended)Nobody owns Boeheim like Jamie Dixon owns Boeheim. I think he has a 15-6 record against JB.
Totally agree on your second paragraphBy virtue of their end-of-bench being better than our situation, I agree with you. Because we've got a short roster, Chukwu's hurt, and apparently Coleman is, too.
Switch starting fives, though, and I fear Pitino would win a bunch of matchups with Gillon/Battle/White/Lydon/Thompson against Louisville's players. He gets a lot out of very average recruits. I said it after the first game and I stand by it: kids like Mahmoud and Dieng are stiffs at Syracuse. At Louisville, they outplay our guys. I have no doubt that a healthy Chukwu would produce for them and I'm equally confident that Mahmoud would've been in the same spot Chukwu was headed in late November: glued to Syracuse's bench.
Long story short, Pitino's a very good coach in terms of player development. I don't know why he doesn't recruit better, but it's impressive that he wins consistently with the players he gets.
There's nothing wrong admitting Pitino is a better coach than JB. That's not a slight on JB in the slightest.Your last line just goes to show that you just believe that Pitino is a better coach than JB. I disagree first of all that the talent level of the 2 starting 5's was equal. Second, the facts are Louisville started guys with more experience in the system than SU. They started 2 jr's, 2 so and 1 freshmen. SU started 4 guys new to the system. King for L is a freshmen that was higher rated than Battle by ESPN. So even if the talent level is equal, which I don't agree, then the experience factor alone can make a big difference. And if you think time in the system doesn't mean much just look back at the teams performance in the OCS versus now. There is a very high chance that the team in it's current state could have eliminated at least 2 of not 3 of the awful performances pre conference.
For one no he doesn't have a winning record it is like 9-5 or something like that when Lappas as at Nova. Secondly we did not have equal talent.
Boeheim doesn't have a losing record against Lapas when he was at Nova so you are wrong about that. Also our talent level wasn't superior to Nova. They had a team with Kittles and Lawson that was a 3 seed and then the Tim Thomas team. They probably had slightly more talent that us. Kittles and Thomas were both top 10 picks. I don't remember us having a top 10 pick during this time. Please correct me though if I'm forgetting somebody.
Your last line just goes to show that you just believe that Pitino is a better coach than JB. I disagree first of all that the talent level of the 2 starting 5's was equal. Second, the facts are Louisville started guys with more experience in the system than SU. They started 2 jr's, 2 so and 1 freshmen. SU started 4 guys new to the system. King for L is a freshmen that was higher rated than Battle by ESPN. So even if the talent level is equal, which I don't agree, then the experience factor alone can make a big difference. And if you think time in the system doesn't mean much just look back at the teams performance in the OCS versus now. There is a very high chance that the team in it's current state could have eliminated at least 2 of not 3 of the awful performances pre conference.