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Donnie Freeman injures foot

Why do so many people not understand NIL has nothing to do with games. NOTHING. Bunch of brick walls here.

Perhaps, it's because the actual reality of the matter is that NIL has NOTHING to do with NIL in the true sense of the word, disguised and masqueraded for 100% PAY FOR PLAY. What I don't "understand" is how so many folks are A okay with being insulted and so willing to simply play along.
 
Perhaps, it's because the actual reality of the matter is that NIL has NOTHING to do with NIL in the true sense of the word, disguised and masqueraded for 100% PAY FOR PLAY. What I don't "understand" is how so many folks are A okay with being insulted and so willing to simply play along.
I mean, ok.

But there are rules and legal standards that are real.
 
I mean, ok.

But there are rules and legal standards that are real.

And, doesn't that also kind of speak for itself? I mean, NIL, and all that that implies in its current state, for all intents and purposes, is fraud. And yet, there are rules and legal standards in which to seemingly abide by.

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Perhaps, it's because the actual reality of the matter is that NIL has NOTHING to do with NIL in the true sense of the word, disguised and masqueraded for 100% PAY FOR PLAY. What I don't "understand" is how so many folks are A okay with being insulted and so willing to simply play along.

Yeah, Tuttle is talking down to us about what NIL encompasses and he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about... the pay-for-play aspect of NIL deals related to injuries is exactly what I was bringing up.

It's a thing and agents are negotiating with collectives now on it as part of the player NIL contract approval. It is a fairly new negotiating point and the agent quoted in the article below says there aren't uniform standards for it as yet across different programs and NIL collectives, but the issue is evolving.

Here's an article from this summer where a player/agent-side NIL lawyer discussed the pay-to-play aspects related to injuries of player contract negotiations with NIL collectives:

"...To the extent such language does exist in a contract, there are ways collectives attempt to protect themselves on the front end with vague language. For instance, if an athlete's marketability is "impaired," payment could be stopped. One could argue a lot of things could fall into the bucket of impairment, including injury."
"If I'm representing an athlete, and I see [a clause like that] in there, the first thing I'm doing is I'm asking to have it removed, because I'm not having my athlete waive their payments on the off chance that they happen to get hurt in a contact sport like that's just kind of silly to me," a different NIL agent told CBS Sports. "What I can argue is, you're at practice, he made a cut, it was non-contact cut, and he gets hurt. You're not gonna withhold my client for payment at that point because he's doing what you're asking him to do."

A pertinent discussion point is what if the team doctor and training staff clears an injured player for return to practice and the player's personal physician does not? How is that handled legally from a pay-to-play NIL perspective and are there NIL contract provisions that deal with it?
 
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So, if he’s not playing you want to isolate him from the team. Not how you treat people.
Not exactly. If he's not playing because he's injured or has informed the staff he is going to declare for the NBA he absolutely remains on the team.
However if he is going to enter the portal I would keep him on scholarship, honor his NIL but not have participate in any team activities other than rehabilitation.
 
And, doesn't that also kind of speak for itself? I mean, NIL, and all that that implies in its current state, for all intents and purposes, is fraud. And yet, there are rules and legal standards in which to seemingly abide by.

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Ok, so, again, there's a legal definition of fraud and a standard that needs to be met to claim fraud.

NIL is not fraud.
 
Why do so many people not understand NIL has nothing to do with games. NOTHING. Bunch of brick walls here.
so NIL amounts are given upfornt at the beginning of a season and not tied at all to performance or deals made throughout the year?

i thought the general idea was players use their likeness and get paid for it...i.e. ads etc

i thought performance would thus influence the NIl a player recieves

for example, when buddy was in the NCAAT getting the "buddy buckets" knickname...he then could capitalize off that

so not sure NOTHING is really apropos here
 
I would think he could get better NIL and development elsewhere if he comes back to school. Sadiq and his the same position, maybe we use Donnie’s NIL money elsewhere. He’s probably the only player on our roster who has a chance to “level up” should he choose to transfer. You could probably argue JJ too, and his shots will go down next year. I have a feeling he leaves
We’ll have more NIL to pay him with Melo onboard.
 
Fire Red now then. We aren’t winning sht with 3 freshmen starting. It’s the definition of absolute insanity starting over every friggin year.
Now, as in Now? Who coaches the rest of the season? Griffin? What's the purpose in rushing toward instability in a season where we're not going to the NCAAs, no matter who the Interim HC is?

Firing him now would be 'punitive and overly prejudicial,' and he doesn't deserve that. If we had someone on the bench who we had reason to believe could improve the situation in the immediate, sure. But, do we?
 
I’ll believe it when I see it. Sadiq isn’t sitting and I’d wager Kiyan isn’t either.
Kiyan has been injured a lot of the year and coming off the bench and doing just fine. People need to realize Kiyans goal is not to be his dad and he’s not expecting to be a lottery pick, MVP or hall of famer. He’s already just wants to be successful and if you look at his businesses he already is very.
 
Now, as in Now? Who coaches the rest of the season? Griffin? What's the purpose in rushing toward instability in a season where we're not going to the NCAAs, no matter who the Interim HC is?

Firing him now would be 'punitive and overly prejudicial,' and he doesn't deserve that. If we had someone on the bench who we had reason to believe could improve the situation in the immediate, sure. But, do we?
As in the end of the season. I didn’t mean it literally. I’m getting exhausted by all our fans trying to ship Donnie out via the portal and to a lesser extent JJ. We aren’t winning next year with 3 freshmen starting. He would be fired after the season because we wouldn’t make the tournament again and 2000 people will be in the dome.
 
As in the end of the season. I didn’t mean it literally. I’m getting exhausted by all our fans trying to ship Donnie out via the portal and to a lesser extent JJ. We aren’t winning next year with 3 freshmen starting. He would be fired after the season because we wouldn’t make the tournament again and 2000 people will be in the dome.

So, what do you think it would take to keep Donnie here? To me, he's critical.
But then again, we hoped for the same thing with Benny.

And if JJ is back, he has to be the starting PG, with Donnie, Sadiq, a big from the portal with Petar, and Kiyan splitting time with Moore. The Australian kid will be the backup PG. Pretty good roster, but they have to play defense.
 
Ok, so, again, there's a legal definition of fraud and a standard that needs to be met to claim fraud.

NIL is not fraud.

Of course (in its true sense) name, image & likeness isn’t fraud. Apparently, you took the point I was attempting to make literal. FWIW, I was implying that saying/pretending NIL is NIL when EVERYONE knows what it truly is, pay for play, that’s what’s fraudulent IMO.

Also, FWIW, I spent a career in the casualty insurance industry, and accrued plenty of experience relative to legal dealings, standards, et al.
 
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So, what do you think it would take to keep Donnie here? To me, he's critical.
But then again, we hoped for the same thing with Benny.

And if JJ is back, he has to be the starting PG, with Donnie, Sadiq, a big from the portal with Petar, and Kiyan splitting time with Moore. The Australian kid will be the backup PG. Pretty good roster, but they have to play defense.
Benny wasn’t a tenth of the player Freeman is. I don’t get that comparison at all.
 
Benny wasn’t a tenth of the player Freeman is. I don’t get that comparison at all.

Who (a) can convince Donnie to stay, since he's rumored to be leaving, and (b) who could get more out of him as a coach, someone he might respond to?
 
Have heard differently at this point. We’ll see.
I agree. He’s not ready for the NBA especially coming off injury. I expect him to hit the portal and get a big bag from an SEC school.
 
If Freeman transfers to another program Red should be immediately fired.

Nah. It really doesn't matter at this point.

A complete teardown/100% rebuild is necessary at long last.

We're here.

Get the right, new coach and let him start over and rebuild. If that coach wants to and can get Freeman to stay, ok, but keeping Freeman is secondary.

Same goes for Anthony and anyone else.

Trying to keep the recruiting class intact with Red again next year is simply the tail wagging the dog and sticking your head in the sand.

Rip the band aid off, accept rock bottom, and start building back from it with the right new coach.

Louisville recognized their plight and pulled the trigger on Payne after 2 years.

We need to do the same with Red, sadly.

Pretending otherwise is folly.
 
Nah. It really doesn't matter at this point.

A complete teardown/100% rebuild is necessary at long last.

We're here.

Get the right, new coach and let him start over and rebuild. If that coach wants to and can get Freeman to stay, ok, but keeping Freeman is secondary.

Same goes for Anthony and anyone else.

Trying to keep the recruiting class intact with Red again next year is simply the tail wagging the dog and sticking your head in the sand.

Rip the band aid off, accept rock bottom, and start building back from it with the right new coach.

Louisville recognized their plight and pulled the trigger on Payne after 2 years.

We need to do the same with Red, sadly.

Pretending otherwise is folly.
I agree, but it’s not happening.
 
Nah. It really doesn't matter at this point.

A complete teardown/100% rebuild is necessary at long last.
But then we'll have to do it again in 2026-27, and 2027-28, and...

This new NCAA isn't sustainable.
 
Not exactly. If he's not playing because he's injured or has informed the staff he is going to declare for the NBA he absolutely remains on the team.
However if he is going to enter the portal I would keep him on scholarship, honor his NIL but not have participate in any team activities other than rehabilitation.
Honor his NIL??? Are you out of your mind?
 

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