Donnie Freeman injures foot

[kingtidge]

What have you heard?

He basically said his source is saying Team Freeman has shut it down for the year and is waiting for the transfer portal to open to make their move.

 

[hjf45]

Kiyan is better than all of those guys out of HS. Moore isn’t the first freshman whos struggled.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We have jumped the shark a bit. Everyone has panic warned everyone he isn’t his dad so much that they’re underrating him. He’d easily be the best shooter on this team. No doubt he needs to get stronger and better defensively. That said if he, Fennell and White are all starting then we will stink again anyway.

Anthony and Moore have very similar profiles coming out of HS. I don't think that one is significantly better than the other.

 

[RealMcNeil]

Anthony and Moore have very similar profiles coming out of HS. I don't think that one is significantly better than the other.

Not comparable, in my opinion. Kiyan is much more fluid and in control.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Kiyan is better than all of those guys out of HS. Moore isn’t the first freshman whos struggled.

Kiyan Anthony last summer in EYBL: 38% FG, 29% 3pt in EYBL. Profiles say he takes too many difficult shots, needs better shot selection. He's averaging 10 points a game for Long Island Lutheran.

Moore made first team on Addidas' summer AAU circuit, and was first team in NYC's Catholic League for his HS team.

 

[MikeSU02]

Kiyan is not going to be a knock down guy from the jump.

He ain't touching a season like Tre Johnson is doing right now.

We keep overrating every single guy we have. I like Kiyan a lot, but he's not going to crush it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

My gut feeling with zero inside sources is freeman leaves and Moore is 50/50. Honestly after this season it wouldn’t surprise me if they think the upside is higher somewhere else and they get out of here. It probably is to be honest so why would they stick around. We are only seeing games and have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. It could be even more of a dumpster fire than we know.

Well, the random playing and then freezing out of players, and the lack of any sort of consistency in his rotations is a major problem for the players. It's no wonder they would be looking to leave.

 

[orangecuse]

Kiyan is not going to be a knock down guy from the jump.

He ain't touching a season like Tre Johnson is doing right now.

We keep overrating every single guy we have. I like Kiyan a lot, but he's not going to crush it.

Yeah, you've been so right on this issue. Spot on too relative to you posts last year relative to Freeman and how he wasn't going to transcend, etc. the, unfortunately, sad state of Syracuse basketball.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Cherry picking stats, but whatever.

“Shooting percentage“ is cherry-picking? Okay….. Seems like kind of an important stat. But, whatever. Yeah, I chose the stat I was interested in, as it related to this specific discussion. And I also asked if the number were low because of the small sample size, due to his injury. You find an agenda in that? What offended you?

 

[Sbucketball]

He basically said his source is saying Team Freeman has shut it down for the year and is waiting for the transfer portal to open to make their move.

Yikes. High School recruiting means nothing if he can't keep them more than 1 year.

 

[kingtidge]

Yikes. High School recruiting means nothing if he can't keep them more than 1 year.

Plus, if true, the legal implications of continuing to take and cash NIL checks if you've decided not to play.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Yikes. High School recruiting means nothing if he can't keep them more than 1 year.

After next season, Red should get another year, because he will have had to deal with all the complexities of melding together a roster of all new players…. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Sbucketball]

Plus, if true, the legal implications of continuing to take and cash NIL checks if you've decided not to play.

Technically the NIL isn't to play, so he'd be fine. The collective and whoever signed deals with him can stop payment, but that's a bad look and would hurt recruiting. Whole thing is awful. Imagine you contributed a big chunk of his NIL and he decides to shut it down. Woof.

 

[Sbucketball]

Plus, if true, the legal implications of continuing to take and cash NIL checks if you've decided not to play.

Technically the NIL isn't to play, so he'd be fine. The collective and whoever signed deals with him can stop payment, but that's a bad look and would hurt recruiting. Whole thing is awful. Imagine you contributed a big chunk of his NIL and he decides to shut it down. Woof.

Another reason we need and will eventually get payment directly from school, enforceable contracts relating directly to playing, and probably a CBA.

 

[MikeSU02]

Yeah, you've been so right on this issue. Spot on too relative to you posts last year relative to Freeman and how he wasn't going to transcend, etc. the, unfortunately, sad state of Syracuse basketball.

And to be clear, I would LOVE Kiyan as a recruit if his name was Jack Smith.

It's just too much to depend on him to be that high a level recruit. You tell me he has some great moments, is solid and then soph year he becomes a DUDE, Im with you.

 

[kingtidge]

Technically the NIL isn't to play, so he'd be fine. The collective and whoever signed deals with him can stop payment, but that's a bad look and would hurt recruiting. Whole thing is awful. Imagine you contributed a big chunk of his NIL and he decides to shut it down. Woof.

I mean, these guys are young pros now. Bad looks all around.

NCAA has to deal with this sort of situation.

If team doctor says cleared to play and player says "here's doctor's note from personal doctor... not cleared... Also, I need my next NIL check..."

I'm not saying this is happening in this situation, but the potential is there for abuse to be sure. Also, Red said Donnie's return to play is now "up to Donnie to his camp" (after a couple weeks of claiming he was day-to-day.) As others have mentioned, it could be he's technically cleared to play but still has some residual pain that won't cease until fully healed, so...

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Technically the NIL isn't to play, so he'd be fine. The collective and whoever signed deals with him can stop payment, but that's a bad look and would hurt recruiting. Whole thing is awful. Imagine you contributed a big chunk of his NIL and he decides to shut it down. Woof.

NIL is a “disaster.” Ed O’Bannon can sit on it and rotate.

 

[Cusefan0307]

“Shooting percentage“ is cherry-picking? Okay….. Seems like kind of an important stat. But, whatever. Yeah, I chose the stat I was interested in, as it related to this specific discussion. And I also asked if the number were low because of the small sample size, due to his injury. You find an agenda in that? What offended you?

I’m not offended by anything. 26 games were played by said player last year and a sample size of 12 game stats were given hence why I said cherry picking. To this point in the thread I am still waiting for someone to post stats on every game for said player. Matt tried, but he didn’t either.