Duke Post Game

[swish7]

Exactly, people think we just need talent. Watch their defense last night. They play a switching style defense they all move together, they all battle, they all give effort, they all help, and they all know where they are supposed to be. That is coaching. Getting the best talent money can buy and rolling the ball out gets you Indiana. Getting talent with coaching gets you Duke and most SEC teams. Getting you no talent and terrible coaching gets you Syracuse.

It's culture as well as coaching as well as recruiting.

It's the Fran way too.

What culture do you want? Does everyone understand the expectations?

Recruiting the right players for that culture, which is going to mean finding kids who are coming from a similar culture. Also finding kids w attributes who match the culture. Gritty, high iq, whatever it is.

Then coaching to that culture, teaching kids the culture, & promoting kids who fit the culture & benching those who don't.

I saw Scheyer play in person when he was a sophomore in HS. He clearly was a Duke cultural fit way back then.

Reds recruited some guys who don't fit in any culture, IMO.

 

[Cusetime]

The Bonnie’s have that Cutco knife NIL money. We can’t compete with them.

They also have an excellent coach who is very good at finding talented under the radar players and excels at game time coaching.

 

[Millhouse]

I felt the same way - despite the loss, I had a lot of fun - the Dome is a great BB venue - better than ever.

We will be back. Autry is obviously not gonna work but if we hire someone good, it'll recover.

 

[kcsu]

We will be back. Autry is obviously not gonna work but if we hire someone good, it'll recover.

Red's not going to our coach Long term unless we are all missing something

 

[CuseFan]

I was enormously impressed by Duke's relentless defense, and they way they moved as a team. They covered was out beyond the arc, but backed each other up. We need to learn how to defend desperately.

The very first Duke basket was a drive in layup as no one rotated to take on the ball. That just can't happen. At least foul the guy and make him earn it.

 

[Cstate]

Cuffe certainly doesn’t lack self confidence in his own ability……as he was in full chuck mode last night in 12 minutes. 0-8 from the field including 0-4 from 3

 

[tbonezone]

I was enormously impressed by Duke's relentless defense, and they way they moved as a team. They covered was out beyond the arc, but backed each other up. We need to learn how to defend desperately.

The very first Duke basket was a drive in layup as no one rotated to take on the ball. That just can't happen. At least foul the guy and make him earn it.

duke's defense seamlessly switches up defenders . a good point guard reads the switches and finds the mismatch. we don't switch well and got no true point guard.

 

[Red2003]

Duke is usually alot of Hype and smoke. Not this year. Their defense is legit and puts them in Natty conversation.

 

[Red2003]

It's not all NIL related but with Duke I think it's more than people think this year. I won't defend Autry until he shows us something by the way but last night they're up 30 with 3 mins left clean up crew was 5 star guys.

Duke is just in blank check mode this year more than ever and Scheyer's seat was alot hotter than people know going into this year. Let's look at Duke the last few years since NIL started.

Last year with 10X the payroll and talent they were embarrassed multiple times by NC State, before then in 2022 when the hall of fame coaches left UNC beat them and made the Natty game against Kansas. Coach K's retirement game against UNC too. These are huge black eyes for them regardless of net ranks and AP rankings.

They have 2 Final 4's in the last 10 years, 3 in the last 15 years. For the talent and money they're spending that is just not a good return on investment.

It's not just hoops. Down the road in Chapel Hill they're hiring Belichicks and throwing a ton of money around. So now Duke is paying 4 million per year for what I think is a basic portal QB next year. We are paying probably 150K for Rickie Collins by the way.

We're not just living in a timeline where teams' are digging a little deeper in NIL with a mil or two here or there. They are 10X-20X or more where we are and doubling or quadrupling their whole NIL budget year to year to compete.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Scheyer is really good. That was as enjoyable a team to watch as I have seen in years. They defend tremendously. They recognize situations and execute out of those situations at an extremely efficient level. They are athletic and skilled, and play very hard.
If anyone was wondering why Maliq went there along with the cash...how about the way they value a big who can pass, defend, see the court and play the game with an IQ that would be rarified air for any SU team.

We stink and will continue to until Red is gone - he can't coach. The longer the AD allows this the more my opinion of him dwindles.

I like Scheyer as well. How would that game have gone if we flipped rosters? Duke has 5 great 3 point shooters, the #1 draft pick, size, length, athleticism and great PG play. Probably 6 NBA players. I get it on Red, but Red Aurbach would not have won that game. None of our guys would see the floor for Duke including JJ. Maliq would have been our best player and he is 7/8 man at Duke.

 

[Scooch]

We will be back. Autry is obviously not gonna work but if we hire someone good, it'll recover.

Yup. Some people get crazy saying that if we don’t turn it around NOW then we’ll suck forever. That’s now how it works.

Get a good coach who (a) knows how to coach, and (b) has a real plan for NIL and the portal, and we’ll be fine.

No one else plays in a 30K seat venue. This program has advantages that most schools can’t even hope to dream about.

 

[Scott11]

Putting aside NIL for the moment, who on this roster has improved this year? That is one of the most damning questions for Red. There are plenty of guys who have regressed, for example Choppa and Bell, or stayed the same like JJ. But other than Donnie before he got hurt and maybe Taylor I would argue nobody has improved as the season has gone on.

 

[Fanalways]

Plain and simple. If Syracuse wants a successful Division 1 basketball program, they need to spend some money. I think we have a big chance for improvement next year with the players coming in.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Plain and simple. If Syracuse wants a successful Division 1 basketball program, they need to spend some money. I think we have a big chance for improvement next year with the players coming in.

Not enough. Even our highly ranked recruits woefully underperform the last few years. Developing players is a thing. It’s a skill /talent some coaches and programs have and some dont. Just throwing good money after bad won’t be enough

 

[rocklloyd]

They also have an excellent coach who is very good at finding talented under the radar players and excels at game time coaching.

plus they have Woj.

 

[OttoMets]

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No one else plays in a 30K seat venue. This program has advantages that most schools can’t even hope to dream about.

Does Syracuse?

Seriously, is that anything that's been addressed post-reseating? Seems to me that the math doesn't math in the basketball configuration based on how many total seats were removed.

 

[Scooch]

Does Syracuse?

Seriously, is that anything that's been addressed post-reseating? Seems to me that the math doesn't math in the basketball configuration based on how many total seats were removed.

Officially the new capacity is 30,219. That’s listed on several official web pages.

The math makes sense. Total capacity went from 49K to 42k. 14% lower. The previous hoops capacity was 35K. 14% from 35K is 30K.

 

[ORANGE OATH]

I wanted Red to succeed, but the eyes don’t lie, nor the record.
Sadly I have lost interest in SU BB for the first time in nearly 40 years.
RIP SU BB

 

[DilemaCuse]

Anybody see Brents Recap? its pretty spot on.

Scheyer says Red is great coach, Brent says how? Nobody can explain how?

Its standard coach speak, Rick Barnes said the same thing.

Duke Recap

 

[Irishsecra1]

It's culture as well as coaching as well as recruiting.

It's the Fran way too.

What culture do you want? Does everyone understand the expectations?

Recruiting the right players for that culture, which is going to mean finding kids who are coming from a similar culture. Also finding kids w attributes who match the culture. Gritty, high iq, whatever it is.

Then coaching to that culture, teaching kids the culture, & promoting kids who fit the culture & benching those who don't.

I saw Scheyer play in person when he was a sophomore in HS. He clearly was a Duke cultural fit way back then.

Reds recruited some guys who don't fit in any culture, IMO.

And this was the reason why I wanted them to hire Gerry, instead of Red.
Assuming they had to hire an assistant.
I thought that Red would rely on recruiting players as their friend.
Great for an assistant coach, an absolute disaster as a head coach.

I felt that Gerry would recruit players who would fit in the culture he wanted to instill.
Work hard, never give up, support your teammates, always show sportsmanship.
And that is exactly what he is doing at Siena.
Watch one of their games on ESPN Plus. With the exception of Doty, none of these kids have the raw talent our players have. They only won 4 games last year for goodness sake.
But they play high energy defense, and play like every game is a championship game.
Last week they beat the number one team in their conference by 9.
The same team they lost to by 19 three weeks ago, and they did this without 2 of their starters including the one Gerry said is the leader of the team.
That is how a good coach gets a team that has been a train wreck for years to have some pride in themselves and fight to the end.
And even without 2 starters, they have steadily improved both offensively and defensively.

 

[kingtidge]

Anybody see Brents Recap? its pretty spot on.

Scheyer says Red is great coach, Brent says how? Nobody can explain how?

Its standard coach speak, Rick Barnes said the same thing.

Duke Recap

Good take by Axe.

The Autry pressers are unlistenable at this point.

He's trying to spin it positive but we're at the point of bold-faced lies sadly.

Axe diplomatically says that.

 

[Hopkins16]

I was all for Red getting at least 3 years, but I really don't see an improvement in year 3. He was dealt a bad hand inheriting a broken program that dropped in prestige due to Boeheim holding on way too long, not going out recruiting the last several years of his tenure, and not moving away from the zone defense which a lot of top recruits did not want to play.

In the case of Duke and North Carolina, the former players now coaches, inherited strong programs that didn't need to be rebuilt. Only a veteran coach who is highly respected could have turned our program around quickly.

I'm worried that Melo will have too much control and say, and we might be forced to play Kiyan ahead of certain guys even if he doesn't deserve it. We should learn something about the downside of nepotism from the extra years that Boeheim stayed on to coach his son, and let's not even mention the embarrassment of LeBron getting his way with his not ready for "day time" or the "night shift" son.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Officially the new capacity is 30,219. That’s listed on several official web pages.

The math makes sense. Total capacity went from 49K to 42k. 14% lower. The previous hoops capacity was 35K. 14% from 35K is 30K.

Much much easier said than done, but the future of venues is smaller ones that amplify crowd noise and build scarcity in good times.

It's nice to be able to fit more people for the big events, but places like the Moody Center in Austin are where the business is headed. I don't think having a huge venue is an advantage anymore, and it really shows when the program is as bad as it's been.

 

[sufan59]

Oooof.

Hopefully that's not true.

Even if it is there can always be more to the story. Still, we had problems throughout the Boeheim years, but managed to not let any off court issues affect what happens on the court in any significant ways that we’ve seen in two seasons here. There used to be time to work through adversity. There isn’t anymore with the portal and it being easier than ever to transfer. We must run a tighter ship moving forward. I guess if we ever get back, we will know when we truly are, it will be super special! But it’s hard to see. We take a step forward in one place and take a step and a half back elsewhere.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I was all for Red getting at least 3 years, but I really don't see an improvement in year 3. He was dealt a bad hand inheriting a broken program that dropped in prestige due to Boeheim holding on way too long, not going out recruiting the last several years of his tenure, and not moving away from the zone defense which a lot of top recruits did not want to play.

In the case of Duke and North Carolina, the former players now coaches, inherited strong programs that didn't need to be rebuilt. Only a veteran coach who is highly respected could have turned our program around quickly.

I'm worried that Melo will have too much control and say, and we might be forced to play Kiyan ahead of certain guys even if he doesn't deserve it. We should learn something about the downside of nepotism from the extra years that Boeheim stayed on to coach his son, and let's not even mention the embarrassment of LeBron getting his way with his not ready for "day time" or the "night shift" son.

That’s a totally opposite take from Kiyan’s high school coach. At one point he was sixth man. He had nothing but great th8ngs to say about father and son.