Dungey...

[721Comstock]

Hunt injury was not a football injury, he popped his Achilles running in the open field, could have just as easily have happened playing Tennis.

You generally aren't running away from 11 large, angry athletic men while playing tennis.

 

[SUbear]

Point is none of those angry men had anything whatsoever to do with inflicting his injury, but apparently you did not understand that important point.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

I will say this ... I don't agree with the vile things being said about his family ... of course if the NCAA were to step in and take preventative measures things like this wouldn't happen. Quite frankly the fact that the media isn't looking at the behavior/tactics of CMU are also very disturbing ...

This article is a joke. Deflecting disgusting behavior from your team and trying to make this story into an internet bullying issue.

1. There are no rape or death threats. Is he referring to a meme as a threat on #44's life? Idiotic.

2. This is a just a copy cat article from this http://www.themorningsun.com/sports...underscore-major-issue-with-sports-in-society

3. I see no issue with some harsh towards towards Mitch Stanitzek. He obviously isn't hearing what needs to be said from his mentors (coaches) and his teammates. Instead he's being pat on the back and told "it's just part of football". Since nobody else is going to tell him that what he did was disgusting and completely criminal, it's perfectly fine with me if some Syracuse fans make him feel uncomfortable.

I'm quick to get over things and I'm still furious about this hit 31 hours later.

 

[Chip]

You generally aren't running away from 11 large, angry athletic men while playing tennis.

You obviously haven't seen Millhouse's version of tennis.

 

[brandokc]

You obviously haven't seen Millhouse's version of tennis.

Tennis? I thought you two called that hand balls.

 

[StanCuse44]

Hit was absolute horse**it.

Solution: Imagine a situation where the officials review this type of POS dirty play and are able to:
1) eject player (obv)
2) remove the same player/position on the other team for as long as it takes for us (..in this case) to get our QB back. I.e., If Dungey is out for 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever), then their QB (Rush) is "out" for the same time period.
3) AND the officials review and judge the severity of the offense (I.e. The a-hole's dirty hit) and assess either a 3-point, 7-point or 10-point penalty based on the egregious nature of the hit in question. In this case, we lost our QB who was kicking their a$$. It hurt us on the scoreboard and made a close game out of - what looked to be - us putting it to them and pulling away. IMO it would've been a 10-point swing, making it a "safer" game for us and not rewarding them.

Kills me to think that, in a similar situation, a 2nd or 3rd-string player could mimmick this type of hit and his team loses next to nothing. Total BS.

This approach would fix this - and quick.

 

[BKCuse]

Sorta weirdly quiet on the Dungey front. Are there any whispers on his condition?

I could see SS keeping it quiet until game time - he's a little Belichick-ish like that

 

[Shark58]

Anonymous people tweeting out junk on social media is the same thing as someone deliberately targeting a player and doing physical harm. .Right.

damn you for making me respond to that on their board:

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of course, all the vitriol and especially the over the top comments about 44’s fam are horrible and should be condemned by anyone reasonable. posters like that are an embarrassment to the fan base, but all fan bases have their nut jobs. I hate ours, and don’t like the things they post, but I have no control over it. (<- that is a rational thought from a realistic fan)

the vitriol, while overblown and with piss poor manifestation, is well earned at its core. unless you are a pure homer (which apparently most CMU fans are, truthfully, why else would you watch one of their games?) how could you not question the hit? as detailed above, 44 clearly came late and hadn’t even started his "football play" when the ball came out. what is not mentioned above is that this is only one part of an obvious dirty play, and just one of several dirty plays in the game from CMU. On this one in particular, not only does 44 come late and helmet-to-helmet, and also arguably gives a cheap shot kick at the end, but 42 goes out of his way to hold and twist Dungey’s leg. Again, this was just one of several plays where CMU players came in late and helmet-to-helmet.

It is 100% understandable (at least for anyone rational) to question if this is systematic of your new coach’s teachings (you can’t know since its not like he’s got a long track record). I haven’t watched any of your games ever except the 2 against my team. I have no idea if you are (now) a dirty program, but as a fan base you should all be disgusted by what is going on and demand change if it really is reflective of how your program is being run.

Now, we all know the NCAA is stupid (otherwise they would already have a mechanism in place to fairly suspend a kid multiple games for a POS play like that) so nothing will be done on that front. It will get no national attention with SU being a very down program and with no one caring at all about your directional mid major (harsh but true).

The only ones who stand a chance at making sure your program is run with dignity and class are you few who vocally care, but instead you choose to focus on moronic fans who try to torment a kid who made a POS play on the social media accounts that he and school made public (ergo, not one of the SU moron fans "outed" anything) and justifying that by SU player/coach statements that could more easily be read as taking the high road than by condoning the very questionable (at best) to directly instructed by your POS coach (more likely than not) actions that occurred in the field.

in summary: SU has moron fans that did some disgusting things on the internet. Conversely, CMU had several borderline-to-blatant dirty plays that really gives the impression that your coaching staff and playing for the injuries. Our fans tried to hurt your teams feelings. Your TEAM actively tried to injure ours IN REAL LIFE, WITH REAL LIFE DANGEROUS PLAYS, THAT RESULTED IN REAL PHYSICAL INJURIES.

 

[cuserulesall]

Very dirty, he tried to injure him.

#42 had his leg jacked up in a Half nelson , 44 laid him out . That was a scum bag premeditated coaches call ! Period ! They tried too truly destroy the kid . I saw the play 10 times .

 

[Libero2]

Hit was absolute horse***.

Solution: Imagine a situation where the officials review this type of POS dirty play and are able to:
1) eject player (obv)
2) remove the same player/position on the other team for as long as it takes for us (..in this case) to get our QB back. I.e., If Dungey is out for 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever), then their QB (Rush) is "out" for the same time period. I've Ben thinking about this and saw someone else post this part - sorry but I can't remember who posted it... But I agree.
3) AND the officials review and judge the severity of the offense (I.e. The a-hole's dirty hit) and assess either a 3-point, 7-point or 10-point penalty based on the egregious nature of the hit in question. In this case, we lost our QB who was kicking their a$$. It hurt us on the scoreboard and made a close game out of - what looked to be - us putting it to them and pulling away. IMO it would've been a 10-point swing, making it a "safer" game for us and not rewarding them.

Kills me to think that, in a similar situation, a 3rd-string player could mimmick this type of hit and his team loses next to nothing. Total BS.

This approach would fix this . . . . and quick.

You can't suspend a teams player because someone else on his gem goes rogue and tries to take an opponent out. Kids aren't ejected for dirty play often enough at this point to consider it a play that is "being encouraged" and as such taking such measures to "discourage" it from happening.

I disagree with everything suggested by you aside from the ejection rule which already exists. It's just not something that occurs often enough to justify whole team punishment for one kid doing something illegal like that

 

[retro44]

Dungey's passer rating is now 204.03.....

And I never saw one below 0 HUNT'S was -100

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/syracuse/2015.html

Check out the injury report also

 

[orangehomer]

Dungey's passer rating is now 204.03...

And I never saw one below 0 HUNT'S was -100

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/syracuse/2015.html

Check out the injury report also

I think dungeys first completion of the game showed everything I need to know. I am no scout (i now watched the replay) but the throw to Cornelius is something we haven't had a lot of.

 

[Ottoble]

This photo needs to be emailed to both athletic departments, and potentially the NCAA (along with the video). Tells the whole tale. He's not a dirty player? Well, if he was under orders, perhaps not.

YouTube Video

I think it needs to be sent to the MAC also, tag them with and post the photo somone put up here earlier on twitter/instagram with the youtube link in the caption and is this hashtag maction and hashtag bountygate, and note CMU staff was smiling. that will light some things up. I pulled back from the timesuck of several social media things but that's how id do it.

 

[Ottoble]

You can't suspend a teams player because someone else on his gem goes rogue and tries to take an opponent out. Kids aren't ejected for dirty play often enough at this point to consider it a play that is "being encouraged" and as such taking such measures to "discourage" it from happening.

I disagree with everything suggested by you aside from the ejection rule which already exists. It's just not something that occurs often enough to justify whole team punishment for one kid doing something illegal like that

Probably right L2, his Idea sounds good though, Id say the player that committed the foul if deemed especially bad or intentional could be kept out for the duration of the players injury.

My thought is teams, headcoaches, and DCs (so it moves with a staff) in the top 1% of targeting calls, and with three or more per season, each year their team loses two scholarships. if youre in the top 5% the next year with three or more you the reduction stays in place. If you're top 1% again next year you lose 10 schollies and immediate program/coach/DC probation.

That would stop this crap.

 

[StanCuse44]

You can't suspend a teams player because someone else on his gem goes rogue and tries to take an opponent out. Kids aren't ejected for dirty play often enough at this point to consider it a play that is "being encouraged" and as such taking such measures to "discourage" it from happening.

I disagree with everything suggested by you aside from the ejection rule which already exists. It's just not something that occurs often enough to justify whole team punishment for one kid doing something illegal like that

Respectfully disagree. I'll stand by my suggested approach as it will do everything possible to prevent this from happening because teams/coaches will take it seriously or pay the price ***on the field***.

My approach also brings a spotlight to the disgraceful actions of the player in question and the coach, if there's a pattern to this stuff.

Or we can stick with the current approach: a simple ejection of a 2nd string lineman (in this case) and a few penalty yards while our starting QB is lucky to not have a broken neck.

 

[Libero2]

Respectfully disagree. I'll stand by my suggested approach as it will do everything possible to prevent this from happening because teams/coaches will take it seriously or pay the price ***on the field***.

My approach also brings a spotlight to the disgraceful actions of the player in question and the coach, if there's a pattern to this stuff.

Or we can stick with the current approach: a simple ejection of a 2nd string lineman (in this case) and a few penalty yards while our starting QB is lucky to not have a broken neck.

Let's imagine for a second that we set conspiracy theories aside that their coach said to take Dungey out.

If Rodney Williams comes across the middle hits LSUs top WR high and gets ejected, you want to have Ishmael ejected becomes Williams went head hunting? How is that remotely fair to Ishmael a guy not even on the field at the time? I just can't get behind punishing a kid for an actions of a teammate, or the team as a whole because one kid lost it for a minute on the field. If you can prove in the instant it occurred that the coach ordered it, fine kick him out too, but you won't ever prove it at the time of the hit.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

Let's imagine for a second that we set conspiracy theories aside that their coach said to take Dungey out.

If Rodney Williams comes across the middle hits LSUs top WR high and gets ejected, you want to have Ishmael ejected becomes Williams went head hunting? How is that remotely fair to Ishmael a guy not even on the field at the time? I just can't get behind punishing a kid for an actions of a teammate, or the team as a whole because one kid lost it for a minute on the field. If you can prove in the instant it occurred that the coach ordered it, fine kick him out too, but you won't ever prove it at the time of the hit.

Watch the replay.Both players involved were trying to injure the kid.It wasn't just one kid losing it for a minute.

 

[StanCuse44]

Let's imagine for a second that we set conspiracy theories aside that their coach said to take Dungey out.

If Rodney Williams comes across the middle hits LSUs top WR high and gets ejected, you want to have Ishmael ejected becomes Williams went head hunting? How is that remotely fair to Ishmael a guy not even on the field at the time? I just can't get behind punishing a kid for an actions of a teammate, or the team as a whole because one kid lost it for a minute on the field. If you can prove in the instant it occurred that the coach ordered it, fine kick him out too, but you won't ever prove it at the time of the hit.

I'm all for big hits in football - LEGAL big hits. What I'm trying to address is the type of hit Dungey took: well after the play and a targeted cheap-shot that might've caused serious harm to the player. I'm not talking about the true "bang-bang" plays that do happen in football. Those need to be addressed separately: ejection, penalty and maybe 3-points added to the team's score.

But if our guy goes headhunting - takes a couple of steps after the ball has sailed over the receiver's head - and then takes a cheap shot/helmet-to-helmet hit and knocks out the receiver (who then misses the rest of the game or more) then, yes, I'm ok with us losing Ishmael. I'd be pissed but I'd know why it happened. The replays would show the evidence.

As I suggest, over time, this will stop 90% of these types of cheap shots because coaches and players would work together to try to limit "dumb" plays and really teach guys to avoid them. (edit: and problem players would end up "no longer on the team" if they're repeat offenders?)

 

[orange_in_VA]

Some OSU fan on reddit just pointed out to me that the first tackler on Dungey grabs and bends his leg after he's already down. It was blatant when i looked for it. Wow.

Wow. This whole situation needs to be investigated. That is a blatant attempt to injure a kid caught on video. This screams premeditated and probably planned by the coaches. Just absolutely disgusting.

 

[retro44]

For sure no. 44 was trying to kill Dungey, but I think the hand jab to the lower helmet is what snapped Dungey's head back more than the helmet to helmet hit.