Expansion

[All4SU]

IF the superconference model is coming in short order, the ACC has to know that their options are somewhat limited. Not one of the SEC teams will bolt that league for the ACC. Ditto to the B10 teams -- though I'm sure they would have wet dreams about PSU joining. Not going to happen. Notre Dame? I don't see it. That leaves the ACC with BE teams -- a conference they have raided already, and it didn't pan out the way they hoped, and they received a ton of bad publicity about it. And a collection of nobodies such as UCF, ECU, Troy, etc. The ACC will not be looking to Missouri or Kansas.

What does that all mean? Your guess is at least as good as mine. But the BE teams should be trying to figure it out, and get this merger going.

 

[Moontan]

Yukon, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, VPI... all sued the ACC.
VPI was later admitted. Will any of the others be as well? Is it really that easy to forgive and forget?
I also doubt that BCU would be thrilled with the addition of Yukon.

Assuming only 4 seats are available (current 12 + 4), there will be a lot of schools that will be disappointed. Even for a supposed "merger", who would TGD try to take to the dance?

Methinks Tobacco Road will stay with 12 for now (and as long as possible). If VPI (or NC State) heads south and TGD & TWO get a call what would they do? TGD: "Renegotiate the TV deal, and we're in."

If Swofford can convince his conference to be proactive and go for 16 immediately after a Big XII -> PAC 16 shift then there will be some happy people here... although their will be some hoops related sadness.

 

[DocFlanders]

quote="jurrie, post: 9451"]Yukon, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, VPI... all sued the ACC.
VPI was later admitted. Will any of the others be as well? Is it really that easy to forgive and forget?
I also doubt that BCU would be thrilled with the addition of Yukon.

Assuming only 4 seats are available (current 12 + 4), there will be a lot of schools that will be disappointed. Even for a supposed "merger", who would TGD try to take to the dance?

Methinks Tobacco Road will stay with 12 for now (and as long as possible). If VPI (or NC State) heads south and TGD & TWO get a call what would they do? TGD: "Renegotiate the TV deal, and we're in."

If Swofford can convince his conference to be proactive and go for 16 immediately after a Big XII -> PAC 16 shift then there will be some happy people here... although their will be some hoops related sadness.[/quote]

Unless the SEC is able to poach an ACC team, which I am not sure can/will happen, the ACC seemingly has no desire to go beyond 12...at least that is the scuttlebut in the Carolinas...they don't want anymore nothern exposure unless they absolutely have to...and agin, I'm not convinced they have to regardless

 

[Orangemen]

Yukon, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, VPI... all sued the ACC.
VPI was later admitted. Will any of the others be as well? Is it really that easy to forgive and forget?
I also doubt that BCU would be thrilled with the addition of Yukon.

Assuming only 4 seats are available (current 12 + 4), there will be a lot of schools that will be disappointed. Even for a supposed "merger", who would TGD try to take to the dance?

Methinks Tobacco Road will stay with 12 for now (and as long as possible). If VPI (or NC State) heads south and TGD & TWO get a call what would they do? TGD: "Renegotiate the TV deal, and we're in."

If Swofford can convince his conference to be proactive and go for 16 immediately after a Big XII -> PAC 16 shift then there will be some happy people here... although their will be some hoops related sadness.

I would think the ACC will feel a ton of pressure to renegotiate its TV deal. And the only likely way to do that is add members (I assume).

Their contract will be dwarfed by all the other conferences, including the BE in the not too distant future. It's gonna be hard to sit there and watch everyone around you, including those you look down on (the BE) rake in far more than you do.

 

[OrangeHeel]

Would I miss Big East basketball? Absolutely! I remember attending the first Big East Tournament in (surprise) Providence. But change does happen. If it didn't, Carolina would still be a proud member of the Southern Conference. That membership ended when schools defected to form the ACC. Long time ties were severed, rivalries were developed, and the world moved on. It's time for a similar thing to happen with SU and some other present BE partners to do the same.

 

[Chip]

With the caveat that the conference is no longer NC-centric... Perhaps, a non-reality...

Well, judging by the attendance difference, they probably need to keep the football conf championship game in Charlotte. Jacksonville only works if Florida State or possibly Clemson is in the game. More northeast probably never works (BC would be lucky to sell 33% of Foxboro). Charlotte works best for everyone.

As for power, voting, etc., not sure how much NC dominates that anymore, not at 12 teams. Certainly not at 16.

 

[Bayside44]

If the Hokies stick around add FedEx, Baltimore and Raleigh.

Jacksonville should host 2 football games a year, the Cocktail Party and the Gator Bowl. That's it.

 

[Chip]

Fedex and Raven, I get, they should work. But Raleigh? At NC State's stadium? Big enough?

 

[Bayside44]

60K or so. Right by the airport and that huge highway.

 

[storange]

I said last year the 16 team super conferences are just a matter of time. The ACC is logical for us especially if some of our long time brethren are coming with us (Pitt, W Va) Still makes me sad. Carry on and don't look back I guess.

 

[kyleslamb]

For what it's worth, I still continue to believe the Big Ten is working on Notre Dame & Texas, but they'd like to also add 1-2 teams from the East out of Maryland, Syracuse, Georgia Tech and Rutgers. I think Missouri is the other possibility.

If Texas were to be removed from the picture (and I think as CIL mentioned, despite all the rumors and innuendo, they're very much in the picture), I think you'd see the Big Ten go with Notre Dame and three teams to the East (probably Maryland and two of Georgia Tech, Rutgers and Syracuse).

 

[Blaster]

i would have to say it would be Syracuse, Rutgers, PITT, ND/Uconn to the ACC. WVU is going into the SEC the rest to Big 12 if it survives

 

[SU2NASA]

For what it's worth, I still continue to believe the Big Ten is working on Notre Dame & Texas, but they'd like to also add 1-2 teams from the East out of Maryland, Syracuse, Georgia Tech and Rutgers. I think Missouri is the other possibility.

If Texas were to be removed from the picture (and I think as CIL mentioned, despite all the rumors and innuendo, they're very much in the picture), I think you'd see the Big Ten go with Notre Dame and three teams to the East (probably Maryland and two of Georgia Tech, Rutgers and Syracuse).

Georgia Tech?!? SRSLY?

 

[raf4488]

60K or so. Right by the airport and that huge highway.

It's a very nice stadium for a school like NC State and Raleigh is a nice city, certainly nicer than Jacksonville. From the airport that's about a 10-15 minute drive max right down I-40. Nice central location between the northern and southern schools, but they really need to start offering direct fights from Syracuse to RDU.

 

[raf4488]

SU has stayed in the picture with the ACC knowing more change would be coming (as well as the Big10).

So SU has been communicating with both leagues? That's encouraging. The B10 would be fine, but the 16 team ACC with SU, UConn, Pitt, and WVU would be perfect. That ACC make too much sense for everyone involved not to happen.

 

[SU2NASA]

orangebloods yesterday that texas,syracuse,uconn and that olther school to the acc

take it fwiw

Throwing Texas to the ACC out there makes no sense. It's geographically ridiculous, the ACC has equal revenue sharing, and Texas is wed to Texas Tech wherever they go.

Why are people throwing out ideas that have no basis in logic or reason?

 

[Chip]

Throwing Texas to the ACC out there makes no sense. It's geographically ridiculous, the ACC has equal revenue sharing, and Texas is wed to Texas Tech wherever they go.

Why are people throwing out ideas that have no basis in logic or reason?

It's so bizarre that I'm surprised orangebloods would even post it. Then again, it would seem that orangebloods posts whatever Texas wants him to. I'm sure whoever they wanted that message to get out to were smart enough not to believe it for a second.

Ok Texas fans, we have our own network now, but we're no longer playing aTm, Oklahoma, or anyone else you've been accustomed to playing. But we promise every rivalry game with NC State will be on our network. Sound good?

 

[rrlbees]

It's so bizarre that I'm surprised orangebloods would even post it. Then again, it would seem that orangebloods posts whatever Texas wants him to. I'm sure whoever they wanted that message to get out to were smart enough not to believe it for a second.

Ok Texas fans, we have our own network now, but we're no longer playing aTm, Oklahoma, or anyone else you've been accustomed to playing. But we promise every rivalry game with NC State will be on our network. Sound good?

He posted that it was "out there". Not that it would happen. But either way, Texas and ND are rumored to the B10 which wouldn't surprise me one bit. I've always figured Texas would be with Nebraska plus the B10 will let them keep their network so it makes sense. ND we'll see but they have to land someplace if the super conferences happen. B10 or a East Coast type thing are the only 2 options in reality.

 

[OrangeMojo]

orangebloods yesterday that texas,syracuse,uconn and that olther school to the acc

take it fwiw

yes - and what it's worth is absolutely nothing - Texas to the ACC is probably the most ridiculous rumor put out there by anyone since this whole mess started

 

[SU2NASA]

He posted that it was "out there". Not that it would happen. But either way, Texas and ND are rumored to the B10 which wouldn't surprise me one bit. I've always figured Texas would be with Nebraska plus the B10 will let them keep their network so it makes sense. ND we'll see but they have to land someplace if the super conferences happen. B10 or a East Coast type thing are the only 2 options in reality.

The Big 10 will NEVER let them either have their own network or have unequal revenue sharing. Non-starters, I have no idea why no one seems to grasp this.

 

[SU2NASA]

yes - and what it's worth is absolutely nothing - Texas to the ACC is probably the most ridiculous rumor put out there by anyone since this whole mess started

Texas to the ACC
Georgia Tech to the Big Ten
Virginia to the Big Ten
NC State to the SEC
North Carolina (without Duke) to the Big Ten
Kansas to the ACC

It absolutely amazes me how idiotic some people are. Actually, no, it doesn't.

 

[dollarbill44]

He posted that it was "out there".

Well, that's a pretty safe way to post any idiocy. It's all "out there."

 

[texascpa]

Don't follow?

That things are unstable and if a new BE member is worried it's obvious that he's worried about the stability of the Big East.

 

[rrlbees]

The Big 10 will NEVER let them either have their own network or have unequal revenue sharing. Non-starters, I have no idea why no one seems to grasp this.

The possibility of Texas to the B10 with their network is possible via the B10 agreeing with them that they they couldn't share in the B10 network revenue. Things can be negotiated. Never say never. It is also possible they merge the networks.

 

[rrlbees]

Well, that's a pretty safe way to post any idiocy. It's all "out there."

The Texas to the ACC rumor came from ESPN, Brown was just reporting it. ESPN owns the TV rights to both the ACC and the Texas network.