FHCDM and tension in Buffalo

[Alsacs]

If the Bills end up below 7-9 Marrone will be fired. That team has too many weapons (excluding QB which is the most important position) to not win atleast 7 games.

Buffalo finishing with the worst record is +2000. They won't finish at the bottom, but Cleveland is going to get another top 10 pick for Watkins. When the Bills could have just sat at 8 and gotten a good FB player.

 

[Rocco]

This thread...

 

[Millhouse]

lawrinson is a hack compared to my skills

 

[Millhouse]

i missed the bottom corner

 

[NateW]

Never been more sick of a preseason in my entire life.

Make this shite stop.

People in high pressure jobs disagreeing? NFL head coach with an ego? Color me not surprised. Please God get me to 1PM on Sunday! I can't take the incessant creation of doom and gloom by the Buffalo media anymore.

 

[Madbiker]

When Wilson died it was a certainty the current situation would become nasty. The first thing any new ownership is going to do is sweep the place clean to put in their own management team. That means all the front office guys know they are gone...unless they make a deep playoff run, maybe. So those guys are going to want to call all the shots on the field ensuring a conflict with the HC. The HC and staff will be gone because the new ownership will want to choose their own staff, via the new GM. Just a bad situation for DM. But one that could have been anticipated when you go to work for a 95 year old owner.

 

[Orangepace]

I'm still pulling for Marrone, but this season is not going to be easy in Buffalo after losing two huge pieces on that Defense. Doug did alot to bring SU out of the trenches and it wore on him. I have no doubt he had to give his all to get SU to those final 2 bowl games. I think that like most people, Doug just doesn't handle pressure well. The offense that Marrone and Hackett put together in Nassib's final year was actually a thing of beauty. He got out when he realized things just weren't going to be getting easier anytime soon.

Marrone will find a job after this season if it doesn't work out in Buffalo and whatever team lands him will be getting a quality coach, be it OC or head coach. I think he'd be able to find a HC position back in college, but I just don't think he's built for that. Let's all not forget that Belichick had to flop in Cleveland before getting hired 5 years later by NE and hitting gold with the Tom Brady pick and becoming the messiah of the NFL. I'm a true believer that coaches have to fail before they can succeed.

 

[Orangepace]

and he didn't have a winning record at Syracuse.

I'm not sure why our fanbase wants to kick the guy when he's down... he went 25-25 at SU with the program coming off a stretch of 10-37. In hindsight, I'm not really sure there is a coach who could have done better given what SU was when he arrived.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Man has a way of burning bridges.

Not necessarily the most desirable trait to have on one's resume, which he'll need to update soon.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm not sure why our fanbase wants to kick the guy when he's down... he went 25-25 at SU with the program coming off a stretch of 10-37. In hindsight, I'm not really sure there is a coach who could have done better given what SU was when he arrived.

to be considered a winning football coach, you gotta win more than you lose

 

[Orangepace]

GO GIANTS!

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Let's not forget Coughlin was on the hot seat in both of those seasons. That said, Giants for life.

 

[TheCusian]

Yuck... I will give the Giants credit two big super bowl wins over the Pats, pretty good stuff. That being said theres no better time then tuning into WFAN at 1pm on a Monday after the Giants and Jets lose, funniest stuff ever.

Gonna be a long season and lots of quality rants on the radio in NY. From Buffalo to NYC.

 

[Orangepace]

to be considered a winning football coach, you gotta win more than you lose

I understand the english language, so agreed. I'm more trying to curb the vitriol being thrown about in here.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm not sure why our fanbase wants to kick the guy when he's down... he went 25-25 at SU with the program coming off a stretch of 10-37. In hindsight, I'm not really sure there is a coach who could have done better given what SU was when he arrived.

Marrone did a good job but Greg Robinson left a 3 year starter(4 years playing) NFL QB, 2 first round drat picks in Chandler Jones and Justin Pugh. Marrone did a great job building up the depth in the program, but the guy left for the NFL right when Nassib graduated and the 2012 team underachieved. Marrone saved the program no doubt, but he wasn't perfect during his tenure and people are still mad about it. I am thankful to Maronne, but he will be in a new job next year IMO.

 

[Orangepace]

I'll give him one thing. It will take a miracle for him to get his hand picked, drafted too early, QB EJ Manual to be an NFL caliber QB.

Unfortunately for him, the lack of the 2nd miracle will likely cost him his job. Because it didn't need to be a miracle in the first place.

EJ Manuel is the best QB from that class. If the guy can stay healthy, he'll be a solid starter in the NFL.

 

[Millhouse]

EJ Manuel is the best QB from that class. If the guy can stay healthy, he'll be a solid starter in the NFL.

irrelevant, he won't, and he won't

 

[Alsacs]

EJ Manuel is the best QB from that class. If the guy can stay healthy, he'll be a solid starter in the NFL.

Glennon, Smith, Manuel all look the same too me. Nassib and Barkley need chances. I don't think Manuel is that good and can ever be better than a mid-QB in the NFL and don't ever see him winning a Super Bowl or conference. Manuel has a lot of weapons so we will see, but the guy doesn't impress me.

 

[Orangepace]

Marrone did a good job but Greg Robinson left a 3 year starter(4 years playing) NFL QB, 2 first round drat picks in Chandler Jones and Justin Pugh. Marrone did a great job building up the depth in the program, but the guy left for the NFL right when Nassib graduated and the 2012 team underachieved. Marrone saved the program no doubt, but he wasn't perfect during his tenure and people are still mad about it. I am thankful to Maronne, but he will be in a new job next year IMO.

Don't disagree with much of what you said. Not sure I agree fully with the "underachieved" for the 2012 team. SU lost a nailbiter to NW, played #2 USC (who had more 1st round picks on the team than SU has had in a decade) really tough without Pugh, a 1st round pick, lost to a ranked Rutgers team (I know they were garbage), lost no games by more than 14 pts and the total of the games lost spread was -41 over 6 games, or an average of 6.8 pts. Quite the run-on sentence, I know. It was statistically the best offense Syracuse had run out in over a decade. That team did have the GRob leftovers you mentioned, but also was heavy on starters Marrone had recruited.

I definitely don't disagree that he rubbed a significant number of people wrong. But nobody can argue he left SU better than when he arrived. Arguably, for SU it ultimately may be the best thing he could have done at the time.

 

[Orangepace]

irrelevant, he won't, and he won't

How is it irrelevant? The most important position in the NFL is the QB. He took the best in the class.

 

[Orangepace]

Glennon, Smith, Manuel all look the same too me. Nassib and Barkley need chances. I don't think Manuel is that good and can ever be better than a mid-QB in the NFL and don't ever see him winning a Super Bowl or conference. Manuel has a lot of weapons so we will see, but the guy doesn't impress me.

He knew Smith's shortcomings and the NFL does now too. Glennon's not even starting this year. Agree on Nassib, but Barkely won't be anything more than a backup for his career.

Manuel may never be better than a mid-level QB in the NFL, but neither will anyone from that class.

 

[Millhouse]

How is it irrelevant? The most important position in the NFL is the QB. He took the best in the class.

assumes that every class has NFL qbs. being the best in a bad class doesn't mean you're nfl caliber. lots of those years recently

being 3rd best in a great class doesn't mean you're not

 

[djorange1989]

This does not shock me at all. Doug is tightly wound to say the least, he really does not seem to ever enjoy coaching, he feels he has to be a coach, it's in his blood, but it doesn't make him happy. He was the perfect hire for SU after GSLOB because we needed someone to come in and kick some a**, but he showed that when the pressure was on to produce, he could get pretty crazy/control freak (remember 2010, screaming at the team because some of them fell asleep after he told them not to on a cross country flight to play Washington?). I am really grateful for what the man did for SU football, but it is obvious that he doesn't reciprocate those feelings, calling himself St Doug because it was a miracle to win here. He is still quite bitter about his time at SU and his ego is very head coach-like. If they get off to a bad start, look out, that team will quit on him. He has a fat contract and all the money he needs, I think for his long term health and sanity he is better off being a lifetime coordinator. Less stress.

 

[Orangepace]

assumes that every class has NFL qbs. being the best in a bad class doesn't mean you're nfl caliber. lots of those years recently

being 3rd best in a great class doesn't mean you're not

Nothing to argue there. That said, it was only 1 of 2 draft classes he's had.

Lot's of teams are going to rue the fact they let Derek Carr drop to the 2nd round, but that's a different argument altogether.

 

[Orangepace]

All in all, to get back on topic a bit, I'm not sure why everyone thinks the guy should be pleased or happy. He's taken over two train wrecks for teams. He's never had a team capable of being a 10 win team. His sample size is too small, but if the guy was happy with finishing marginally over .500, wouldn't that be frightening?

 

[TBCuse11]

I'll give him one thing. It will take a miracle for him to get his hand picked, drafted too early, QB EJ Manual to be an NFL caliber QB.

Unfortunately for him, the lack of the 2nd miracle will likely cost him his job. Because it didn't need to be a miracle in the first place.

Yeah, he dug his own grave and most sensible people knew he made a big mistake going to Buffalo. He will not survive this season, rightfully so.