Fran Brown

[PAcuse]

I appreciate the context here; I think a lot of us got spoiled last season very quickly. And there's still a chance for 14 wins.



Better is subjective though. Under Fran we've been a glass cannon and we've fired it twice. One season (under the best recruit at QB we've maybe ever seen) fired successfully, and the second blew up shards of glass in our face.

Fire that same glass cannon 10 times. If our outcome is either a Rickie or McCord, we're going to get more of the former. Now, given all the intangibles it's absurd to call for Fran's job at this point, but I feel pretty strongly he needs to change his strategy here. He's played 'never take the points' with the seasons as a whole and if that were to continue I do see him becoming one of the also-ran names.

We don't count Angeli as a win? So in my eyes the staff is 2 for 3 in getting a good QB.

 

[Marsh01]

Me too. What has happened to this forum. I miss the pay side.

I mean i find it hard to believe that people thought we may have been competitive. The general census was we were going to lose like 56-10.

I miss just the general banter that this board used to have.

I cant wait until the “fire red” posts tomorrow night around 7:45.

 

[FloridaCuse]

we will have another mega new coach thread on this site complete with Enterprise Rent-A-Car, Flight Aware and New York State Thruway lookouts after Brown's 7th loss next season eliminating us from bowl contention. Expect it around this time next year or earlier.

This week is the 2 year anniversary of that epic Thread.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I mean i find it hard to believe that people thought we may have been competitive. The general census was we were going to lose like 56-10.

I miss just the general banter that this board used to have.

I cant wait until the “fire red” posts tomorrow night around 7:45.

Maybe earlier. Halftime?

 

[Marsh01]

Maybe earlier. Halftime?

Its coming at some point

 

[AngryOtto]

I know everyone is venting and yesterday was the first time since Robinson that I turned off a game but people need to really pump the emotional melt down.
Sure this season sucks but we are so better off going forward. We have the 25 recruiting class. Let that sink in. We haven’t had that since they started keeping track. Second Steve is coming back. He was the ncaa leader before going down. Sure Fran sacrificed the season to play younger players but that’s how you retain those players build depth and improve long term.
As fans we are pissed how the season turned out. I do think it’s interesting that going into the season most people were predicting 4 to 5 wins with the schedule. After Steve went down and we all saw Ricky who actually thought we would win another game.
Now I do think some coaching changes will need to be made and will. I do not think Fran will ever want a repeat of this season ever again and will do what ever it takes to make changes. He’s getting hard lessons as a young coach when you don’t have the pieces, have some coaching issues and the fan base turns on you. I hope and expect he will do what’s needed to get us back.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

So we are going to attack the man as a person? Lol wow I thought yesterday was rock bottom for some of yall this is sad. Grow up

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Whatever anybody thinks the title of this thread is out of line.

Disrespectful

 

[OttosShoes]

We don't count Angeli as a win? So in my eyes the staff is 2 for 3 in getting a good QB.

Unfortunately I don't. Injuries are part of the game. Part of the whole glass cannon thing is the risk of it exploding. It exploded.

It's not just the individual QB I'm talking about--obviously Steve as a recruit is a huge win and I shouldn't have used Kyle vs Rickie as a meta--it's the whole system. We're swinging for the fences and that includes an aggressive air raid offense that can obliterate defenses, but is also hard for a QB to run and heavily dependent on the O line and receiver corp, and tends to weight the offense higher than the defense.

Just like, back it off 10% is what I'm asking. More emphasis on check downs and the run game. The beautiful chunk plays in the playbook aren't worth jack if you can't pull them off, and if you give up a little bit of that talent then maybe you can get a better RB or a edge rusher or safety.

 

[Archimedes]

He’s getting hard lessons as a young coach when you don’t have the pieces, have some coaching issues and the fan base turns on you. I hope and expect he will do what’s needed to get us back.

As painful as yesterday was, I still believe in Fran and SU football. We got the right guy.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Attacking a man because he had a bad season is just sad and pathetic do better. It’s only his second year

 

[Acesn8s]

We have a lot of insta fans, just add wins and the base grows, want to hate on Fran Brown? We got a coach who won 10 games his first year, was 3-1 to start this season with a win in Death Valley, best recruiting classes we have ever seen. Yes this has been bad, we don’t have a QB! There was going to be growing pains from a coach who has no head coaching experience, give me a break! He will have to have more than 1 wb on the roster but it’s hard to get a sure thing as a backup. The season ends next Saturday, we need to hammer the portal for defense more then anything and an affordable back up, then it’s 9 months until we play NH. We will
Snap losing streak then and then all the sudden hope will occur again. GO Cuse!

 

[tptcuse]

So we are going to attack the man as a person? Lol wow I thought yesterday was rock bottom for some of yall this is sad. Grow up

Yup. I hope this thread title is changed. People are way too unhinged in general online.

I do think the worst thing Fran has done is openly admit that he has given up this year. I get that he's trying to retain players and move on, but don't say it publicly.

 

[Bayside44]

I’m fine w losing and I’m fine w situations which are unlucky. I’m also fine w a rough schedule making it worse . We are Syracuse, a terrible football program since 2000 or so. I’m fine w the expectation of this.

I’m totally not fine w quitting, zero game plan, giving up when it gets tough. This was embarrassing. I’m not sure Fran is a head coach. I think he’s a salesman. Works when you have sold yourself to the right guys and have something to sell. We have terrible coordinators. The papering over of this w McCord really illustrated now.

maybe it works out and I’m an idiot. I just don’t think Fran is smart. At Syracuse u need a smart coach who can scheme out of issues we always have. P had dynamic coordinators, even Marrone did.

Anyway I’m sure I’m wrong. But it’s a message board. I’ll message away

I don't really care for Fran's schtick - it's a bit much, but it really did energize this place.

Is it really "papering over" w/ McCord? End of the day, that's the job in football. Get an elite, near elite QB. He was batting 2 for 2 when his guy went down (in sort of a fluky circumstance - weather delay, slick field, etc). if Angeli plays the full slate next season this is just like a bad one night stand, as Chip likes to constantly reference.

All the scheming stuff ends on up like Dave Claussen - and that only really worked because he had a near elite college level QB. End of the day it's just blah.

I know you love Chesney but that dude is on the next train out of town, and JMU is a sneaky great gig.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Yup. I hope this thread title is changed. People are way too unhinged in general online.

I do think the worst thing Fran has done is openly admit that he has given up this year. I get that he's trying to retain players and move on, but don't say it publicly.

I agree this season was a stinker and yesterday was rock bottom but attacking a man personally for a team you never played or stepped foot on the field is crazy lol. Like he gets enough hate on twitter and other social media but in a Syracuse forum let’s attack him even more? It’s just sad

 

[Ttk.gman2]

I ageee this season was a stinker and yesterday was rock bottom but attacking a man personally for a team you never played or stepped foot on the field is crazy lol. Like he gets enough hate on twitter and other social media but in a Syracuse forum let’s attack him even more. It’s just sad

Like I get if your a alumani and things like that but your are still a fan and that doesn’t give you the right to attack a man personally lol. He’s having a bad second year give him 1 more year or 2 to figure things out. It’s way harder to run a football team than yall think. I would love to know who’s played college football in here lol.

 

[dollarbill44]

Oh agreed it is an UGLY slide

It's the least competitive 7 game stretch i can ever remember. It's been embarrassingly bad.

 

[SouthernCuse]

We have a lot of insta fans, just add wins and the base grows, want to hate on Fran Brown? We got a coach who won 10 games his first year, was 3-1 to start this season with a win in Death Valley, best recruiting classes we have ever seen. Yes this has been bad, we don’t have a QB! There was going to be growing pains from a coach who has no head coaching experience, give me a break! He will have to have more than 1 wb on the roster but it’s hard to get a sure thing as a backup. The season ends next Saturday, we need to hammer the portal for defense more then anything and an affordable back up, then it’s 9 months until we play NH. We will
Snap losing streak then and then all the sudden hope will occur again. GO Cuse!

I don't know. I am not a fire the coach guy. But after yesterday I would fire the DC now. I know we were down 0-21 before his D hit the field, but after that performance he is gone today, not at the end of the season, but today.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m fine w losing and I’m fine w situations which are unlucky. I’m also fine w a rough schedule making it worse . We are Syracuse, a terrible football program since 2000 or so. I’m fine w the expectation of this.

I’m totally not fine w quitting, zero game plan, giving up when it gets tough. This was embarrassing. I’m not sure Fran is a head coach. I think he’s a salesman. Works when you have sold yourself to the right guys and have something to sell. We have terrible coordinators. The papering over of this w McCord really illustrated now.

maybe it works out and I’m an idiot. I just don’t think Fran is smart. At Syracuse u need a smart coach who can scheme out of issues we always have. P had dynamic coordinators, even Marrone did.

Anyway I’m sure I’m wrong. But it’s a message board. I’ll message away

lol when in doubt revert to meat head ball always here. Coach P got beat by over 55 points multiple times because they couldn’t throw the friggin ball either.

 

[Scooch]

I know everyone is venting and yesterday was the first time since Robinson that I turned off a game but people need to really pump the emotional melt down.
Sure this season sucks but we are so better off going forward. We have the 25 recruiting class. Let that sink in. We haven’t had that since they started keeping track. Second Steve is coming back. He was the ncaa leader before going down. Sure Fran sacrificed the season to play younger players but that’s how you retain those players build depth and improve long term.
As fans we are pissed how the season turned out. I do think it’s interesting that going into the season most people were predicting 4 to 5 wins with the schedule. After Steve went down and we all saw Ricky who actually thought we would win another game.
Now I do think some coaching changes will need to be made and will. I do not think Fran will ever want a repeat of this season ever again and will do what ever it takes to make changes. He’s getting hard lessons as a young coach when you don’t have the pieces, have some coaching issues and the fan base turns on you. I hope and expect he will do what’s needed to get us back.

This is a reasonable take.

The one thing I will ask about is this newly formed narrative that when Angeli went down Fran started playing younger guys and sacrificed this season. I really don't think the facts support that.

That may be true in the last couple games, post-UNC loss. But I don't think it was before that. If there's snap data to support it then I'm all ears.

I bring it up because there needs to be a reckoning with how historically bad the staff reacted to the Angeli injury (you acknowledge this, so I'm not disagreeing, just amplifying). Those following few games were all trainwrecks and changes must be made to address that.

 

[OttosShoes]

Those following few games were all trainwrecks and changes must be made to address that.

Absolutely.

The people mad at Fran 100% need to chill. But when stuff goes badly, that's a learning opportunity. To say "things are actually great" might make one feel better, but it's dismissive of that opportunity.

 

[Blanko97]

“13 wins in his first two seasons…


We are Syracuse University — not a blue blood, not a cash-printing SEC titan, not a program with a conveyor belt of five-stars. So let’s put Fran’s start in perspective by comparing him to our past coaches:

• Dino Babers: 8 wins (4 + 4) — had HC experience
• Scott Shafer: 9 wins (7 + 2)
• Doug Marrone: 12 wins (4 + 8) — no HC experience
• Greg Robinson: 5 wins (1 + 4)
• Paul Pasqualoni: 20 wins (10 + 10) — inherited loaded rosters
• Dick MacPherson: 8 wins (4 + 4)
• Frank Maloney: 8 wins (2 + 6)
• Ben Schwartzwalder: 10 wins (5 + 5)

Fran Brown: 13 wins (and a 10-win season already — one of only a handful in program history).

He has the second-most wins through two seasons of any Syracuse coach since WWII not named Paul Pasqualoni.

People keep crying, “But he had no head-coaching experience!”
Cool. Neither did Saint Dougy when he walked in the door. I guess that was magically okay because he carried binders or something.

This program is already better than it has been for most of the 21st century. The recruiting is better. The energy is better. The overall feel is better.

But sure — the galaxy-brain solution is to toss him out after Year 2 like yesterday’s trash.
**Brilliant. Truly visionary stuff.

How many of them lost by 63 to anyone? How many only scored 6 touchdowns across 5 games?

 

[AngryOtto]

This is a reasonable take.

The one thing I will ask about is this newly formed narrative that when Angeli went down Fran started playing younger guys and sacrificed this season. I really don't think the facts support that.

That may be true in the last couple games, post-UNC loss. But I don't think it was before that. If there's snap data to support it then I'm all ears.

I bring it up because there needs to be a reckoning with how historically bad the staff reacted to the Angeli injury (you acknowledge this, so I'm not disagreeing, just amplifying). Those following few games were all trainwrecks and changes must be made to address that.

I don’t disagree. That is why I said once we actually saw Ricky and that coaching changes need to be made. I do think Nixon continued to push a round peg throw a square hole with Ricky but maybe there were no other options.

 

[Blanko97]

Attacking a man because he had a bad season is just sad and pathetic do better. It’s only his second year

He gets paid millions of dollars, I think he can handle some criticism.

 

[AngryOtto]

How many of them lost by 63 to anyone? How many only scored 6 touchdowns across 5 games?

You must have missed the Robinson years.