Free Concessions

[upperdeck]

they said they couldnt find staff. maybe the dont want to close down the store for the fair?

 

[IthacaMatt]

they said they couldnt find staff. maybe the dont want to close down the store for the fair?

They have a catering business. They have staff.

 

[upperdeck]

They have a catering business. They have staff.

they made it clear they dont for the fair though. I think the dome issue would always be how could they get cooking done the way its set up now. where do they stack cords of wood?

evenat the fair the issue is the speed they have to turn food over requires tons of people. much easier at the store

and when they cater for 100+ they send like 2-3 people out. they dont have to take orders

 

[IthacaMatt]

they made it clear they dont for the fair though. I think the dome issue would always be how could they get cooking done the way its set up now. where do they stack cords of wood?

evenat the fair the issue is the speed they have to turn food over requires tons of people. much easier at the store

and when they cater for 100+ they send like 2-3 people out. they dont have to take orders

It's a business decision. It's clearly not worth it to them. For a better deal, better conditions, maybe they would. Maybe not. Try Limp Lizard then. They're not bad.

 

[JRHEETER]

they made it clear they dont for the fair though. I think the dome issue would always be how could they get cooking done the way its set up now. where do they stack cords of wood?

evenat the fair the issue is the speed they have to turn food over requires tons of people. much easier at the store

and when they cater for 100+ they send like 2-3 people out. they dont have to take orders

If they did a setup at the Dome they would have to do it like catering.

I don’t think it’s nearly as impossible as you’re making it sound.

They could just do basics, Mac and cheese and pulled pork sandwiches.

And with that you could also do pulled pork Mac and cheese.

Actually, they have that at UNC. It’s absolutely fantastic. They charge $20 for it or something. It was so good I got two. They put it in a large soda like cup and then put the Mac and cheese on it. Then they have different bbq sauces at the nearby condiment station.

Absolutely no reason this couldn’t be done by Dino BBQ.

Another easy great addition would be to do salt potatoes.

They really should consider talking to the Syracuse Mets and taking tips. They have some of the best food for a minor league team.

 

[Consigliere]

they made it clear they dont for the fair though. I think the dome issue would always be how could they get cooking done the way its set up now. where do they stack cords of wood?

evenat the fair the issue is the speed they have to turn food over requires tons of people. much easier at the store

and when they cater for 100+ they send like 2-3 people out. they dont have to take orders

They wanted to place a large smoker near the Dome and have SU staff and secure it. Also had very exacting specifications on how the food was to be prepared including a detailed pork pulling guide.
Can’t blame them for protecting their brand. Can’t blame SU for not complying.

 

[upperdeck]

you would think if they wanted to make it simple just make all the pulled pork like the do for catering and bring it in and dont set up anything. Just sell a few hundred sandwiches and be done with it. They No serving at all would they need to do. Just provide the product, label it and add some extra markup.

 

[SuFTW]

Why not transfer staff and operations from the downtown location for the 13 days? Find out where the sticking points are and figure it out! If tullys can make it work it’s not rocket science.

Transfer staff for the day? Who runs the Downton spot then?

 

[FrancoPizza]

Transfer staff for the day? Who runs the Downton spot then?

They could close the downtown spot for the fair's run. Even if it's just a break-even agreement, the Fair staff should be trying harder to bring these staples back. It's a revolving door of hapless cronies ever since Waffner was kicked out.

 

[JRHEETER]

you would think if they wanted to make it simple just make all the pulled pork like the do for catering and bring it in and dont set up anything. Just sell a few hundred sandwiches and be done with it. They No serving at all would they need to do. Just provide the product, label it and add some extra markup.

I think you would need more than a few hundred. But I could be wrong.

 

[FrancoPizza]

It's a business decision. It's clearly not worth it to them. For a better deal, better conditions, maybe they would. Maybe not. Try Limp Lizard then. They're not bad.

This is where the fair leadership is incompetent. Find a way to strike a deal. The new director they hired is small-time. Dino BBQ is the biggest 315 brand (arguably).

 

[Cusefan95]

They wanted to place a large smoker near the Dome and have SU staff and secure it. Also had very exacting specifications on how the food was to be prepared including a detailed pork pulling guide.
Can’t blame them for protecting their brand. Can’t blame SU for not complying.

I debated adding about twelve other reasons why having restaurants in the Prudential Center didn't work into my earlier comments - but labor was a big one of them. The arena controlled the concessions employees, so restaurants were putting their brand at risk by being at the arena but not controlling food prep or service at all. Shockingly, food service wasn't great, all the restaurants reasonably felt their brands were being damaged and pulled out the first chance they got.

The only restaurants we are likely to see partner with the Dome are ones like Burger King - huge national brands which aren't exactly known for stellar food or great customer service anyway. I doubt anyone sees that as a win.

Its incredibly unlikely we're going to see local restaurants doing food service at the Dome. And even if they do, its really unlikely to work out well if they do - the logistics of it create so many challenges that the focus is going to end up on all the activities needed to make it possible, with little time or resources left for making sure its good.

 

[SuFTW]

They could close the downtown spot for the fair's run. Even if it's just a break-even agreement, the Fair staff should be trying harder to bring these staples back. It's a revolving door of hapless cronies ever since Waffner was kicked out.

Great for the Fair, but no compelling reason for Dinosaur to make the effort.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Great for the Fair, but no compelling reason for Dinosaur to make the effort.

They made hand over fist in sales when they had their spot at Chevy court. Money talks. Find out where the sticking points are.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is where the fair leadership is incompetent. Find a way to strike a deal. The new director they hired is small-time. Dino BBQ is the biggest 315 brand (arguably).

Wegmans and Heid's have both gotten greedy, and are only a shadow of what they used to be.

 

[bnoro]

I'm hoping to clear up some misconceptions within this thread about how concessions work. Please trust me that I know how this works.

Aramark would license the Dinosaur BBQ brand from them. This is a requirement from stadium vendors. They would then get a recipe from Dinosaur, and have to get the parts/labor to execute on gameday. That part is on Aramark, not Dinosaur. Dinosaur would not be providing staff to the Dome for gamedays.

That being said, if Aramark cannot produce the quality of food at the Dome, which is an enormous if, Dinosaur's brand could suffer, and they wouldn't make a big enough cut on the deal for it to be worth them taking that risk.

Generally this is a big part of why this falls apart all over sports, and why you don't see this happen too often. Even food trucks generally fall into a concessionaire's contract, but SU having the quad far enough away probably saves them there.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I'm hoping to clear up some misconceptions within this thread about how concessions work. Please trust me that I know how this works.

Aramark would license the Dinosaur BBQ brand from them. This is a requirement from stadium vendors. They would then get a recipe from Dinosaur, and have to get the parts/labor to execute on gameday. That part is on Aramark, not Dinosaur. Dinosaur would not be providing staff to the Dome for gamedays.

That being said, if Aramark cannot produce the quality of food at the Dome, which is an enormous if, Dinosaur's brand could suffer, and they wouldn't make a big enough cut on the deal for it to be worth them taking that risk.

Generally this is a big part of why this falls apart all over sports, and why you don't see this happen too often. Even food trucks generally fall into a concessionaire's contract, but SU having the quad far enough away probably saves them there.

I'm sure all of this is true. But the fact remains that the Dome's food offerings are an embarrassment compared to many other sports arenas. Yes, I'm not coming to a game for a fancy dinner, but I would appreciate edible food. If you're bringing kids, that's not asking for much.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Wegmans and Heid's have both gotten greedy, and are only a shadow of what they used to be.

Care to divulge?

 

[upperdeck]

so, does Syracuse dining farm out the food experience or run it themselves?

 

[721Comstock]

so, does Syracuse dining farm out the food experience or run it themselves?

Yes.

 

[rangers1994]

They used to have Dino pulled pork sandies at one of the stands before the renovation. This can be done they just choose not to.

 

[upperdeck]

Yes.

So do the people under Mathew Werth work for SU or for the Amarak or who ever it is?

Who is making the decisions on food they prepare and such?

Someone is making food for the Suites and such.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm hoping to clear up some misconceptions within this thread about how concessions work. Please trust me that I know how this works.

Aramark would license the Dinosaur BBQ brand from them. This is a requirement from stadium vendors. They would then get a recipe from Dinosaur, and have to get the parts/labor to execute on gameday. That part is on Aramark, not Dinosaur. Dinosaur would not be providing staff to the Dome for gamedays.

That being said, if Aramark cannot produce the quality of food at the Dome, which is an enormous if, Dinosaur's brand could suffer, and they wouldn't make a big enough cut on the deal for it to be worth them taking that risk.

Generally this is a big part of why this falls apart all over sports, and why you don't see this happen too often. Even food trucks generally fall into a concessionaire's contract, but SU having the quad far enough away probably saves them there.

This

 

[Cusefan95]

They used to have Dino pulled pork sandies at one of the stands before the renovation. This can be done they just choose not to.

Who is they?

 

[rangers1994]

Who is they?

The stand that was on the away side of the 50 in the 100s.