FSU Postgame

[UnderHisOwnPower]

1 assist and 3 TO for Carlos. That’s a good ratio, right?

If you laid the points, yes. Giddyup

 

[UnderHisOwnPower]

 

[Newhouser]

This team plays too fast. I know Red wants to play fast but this team can’t. They don’t think fast enough and can’t make good decisions moving fast. We’re out of control on defense and offense. We always seem to be in a rush to do something. We are not able to outscore anyone, so if we are giving up 80, we have no chance. Our bigs can’t play fast. We need to slow the pace down to limit scoring opportunities for the other team. We have a better chance trying to score 65-70 than getting to 80. My concern is, can we hold the ball that long without turning the ball over. Our defensive gaps are horrible and teams go to the rim with zero worries about getting blocked or even challenged. This team is athletically challenged both offensively and defensively.

Not sure we can play slow though because our PGs can't get us into a set, whatever set we are running if any.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Shame.

He looked so promising in HS.

Hate to say it but he must be damaged goods

 

[Zelda Zonk]

This is the kind of stuff I do that doesn't show up in the box score.

I have never seen a Mighty Ducks movie.

 

[dollarbill44]

A minus number tells you how many more points the other team scored when you were on the floor. For example, when Donnie was on the floor, FSU outscored SU by 21. That’s not good. We were a plus one with Petar on the floor.

I thought it was a golf scorecard and was thinking, "wow, we have a bunch of guys who can really play!"

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Not sure we can play slow though because our PGs can't get us into a set, whatever set we are running if any.

 

[AZOrange]

We are never ever going to be a good defensive team. We have terrible individual defenders and a coach who doesn't seem to be able to coach team defense. So on defense, we are never going to be good. People complain about player X and player Y on defense they are all terrible and that includes our coach and whoever puts together the defensive game plan.

The only thing that makes our M2M defense look good is our zone defense

 

[jdubs30]

We are legitimately one of the worst P5 teams in the country. I can only imagine it will get worse. Just an incredible downfall from 10 years ago. This year has been the worst case scenario

 

[AZOrange]

The only highlight was Devo

 

[IthacaMatt]

This was a horrible loss again against a horrible team. There’s nothing good to take from it.
I don’t care if he was rusty JJ was selfish and really hurt the team on both ends, but particularly with his shot selection. Had some unserious turnovers as well.
This was arguably Donnie‘s worst game of his Syracuse career. His defense was atrocious and he has to learn how to contest or block shots. He just needs to be tougher and he willing to give up his body to go get the ball instead of staring at it on the floor. He also needs to learn how to move without the ball. And try to dunk.
I was happy that Red finally pulled Carlos. I guess watching him turn the ball over, get burned off the dribble and not distribute was something he finally found to be troublesome.
We can’t rebound or play defense. Lampkin, Carlos and Davis were useless.
I guess the bright spot was the long national nightmare of Chris Bell not making a three is over. But even that small joy was ruined by Bell yelling at Red after Bell made a bad pass.

He yelled at his teammate first.

 

[JustPherU]

How many teams don’t make the ACC tournament?

 

[cuseattle]

How many teams don’t make the ACC tournament?

Syracuse and 2 others

 

[IthacaMatt]

Well, if Donnie’s worst game is 16 points and 10 boards, I’ll take it.

Yeah, but how many possessions does he give up when he just watches the ball, or has it taken away?

 

[Cheriehoop]

Who had our blocked shot?

Petar

 

[hoopsupstate]

Not sure we can play slow though because our PGs can't get us into a set, whatever set we are running if any.

Well, if we hold the ball on every possession and take a shot clock violation they will only have the ball for a total of about twenty minutes. If they only score on half their possessions we probably don’t lose by much more than we did today.

 

[BillSU]

Well, if we hold the ball on every possession and take a shot clock violation they will only have the ball for a total of about twenty minutes. If they only score on half their possessions we probably don’t lose by much more than we did today.

The HIGH point of the night for me was knowing Starling was back and had 12 PTS, YEA!

 

[Irishsecra1]

I miss Gerry on the bench, and I dare say the players do too.
Siena is 7-7 right now, after beating Manhattan yesterday.
They were 4-28 last year.
They beat Cornell earlier by 6 with Peter Carey scoring 13 points
SU beat Cornell by 10.
It seams like Gerry is doing pretty well in his first year, with much less talented players.
Maybe Boeheim was right to want to see Gerry succeed him.
I know it is way too early to pass judgement, but it is noteworthy.
Red may be the better recruiter, but I dont know about the better coach

 

[UnderHisOwnPower]

Well, if we hold the ball on every possession and take a shot clock violation they will only have the ball for a total of about twenty minutes. If they only score on half their possessions we probably don’t lose by much more than we did today.

Bill parcels and Army football support this math

 

[hoopsupstate]

I miss Gerry on the bench, and I dare say the players do too.
Siena is 7-7 right now, after beating Manhattan yesterday.
They were 4-28 last year.
They beat Cornell earlier by 6 with Peter Carey scoring 13 points
SU beat Cornell by 10.
It seams like Gerry is doing pretty well in his first year, with much less talented players.
Maybe Boeheim was right to want to see Gerry succeed him.
I know it is way too early to pass judgement, but it is noteworthy.
Red may be the better recruiter, but I dont know about the better coach

I think we miss his fire. I don’t see it from any of the coaches. I’ve not seen Allen get excited since he’s been here.

 

[Irishsecra1]

I think we miss his fire. I don’t see it from any of the coaches. I’ve not seen Allen get excited since he’s been here.

Yeah, players often reflect their coach.
Red is just so laidback it seems.
All the coaches seem that way.
We have already seen with Fran how his players seem to come alive and work extra hard.
Gerry was an incredible player with incredible toughness and frankly always seemed to work harder than anyone. And seemed very passionate.
And by winning our only NCAA championship with Melo knows what it takes to succeed.
Wasnt he the one last year who spent extra time with Bell working on his 3 point shooting
It is sad that the most passionate intense person on the bench and on the court is Kyle Cuffe.
Our tenth man on the bench until recently.
But he seems to be our only spark plug.
It needs to be Red on the bench and JJ on the court.
This team desperately needs inspiring leadership

 

[CardiacCuse]

54 points given up in second half. FSU is better than us. They have more weapons and can defend. They might surprise some people.

i hate to be that guy talking about the refs

FSU deserved to win by how they played in the 2nd half...hit many great shots

but the lightest ticky tack fouls were bailing them out on top of that by the refs...i mean...there were at least 5 possessions where it seemed they missed and SU got the ball and then bam...foul

it was funny how once the game was decided the refs all of a sudden started calling fsu for a bunch of fouls to cover their tracks...it was bad enough that fsu was hitting every shot they took, seemingly...but on top of getting every even slight hint of a foul called...was too much for the orange to overcome

this type of think is so common in the acc...i hate it. these southern schools have home cooking down to a science

(and i know what people will say, it didnt change the outcome fsu woulda won anyway...maybe maybe not...we'll never know,...calling it THAT tight on the orange defenders was basically game over though before we got to find out, imo)

the ironic thing about it for me is i think these guys think they are doing a favor to the home team and doing their part to help the sport...but its the exact opposite for me...makes me like the sport less and less every time it happens

 

[CardiacCuse]

I watched Louisville today and almost every player can beat their man off the dribble and get to the rim and score. We have noone who can do that and they do it within their offense. We try to do it when we’re desperate.

last years team was all about that...but was missing other key ingredients

red tried to find those missing ingredients but forgot about how important the penetrations were

 

[CardiacCuse]

He's a dribbler. Don't expect anything more.

haha yep

what position does carlos play guys?

dribbler

 

[CardiacCuse]

I am ‘out’ on Devo as a broadcaster. Fan favorite, I know. So this won’t be a popular rant, but… his experience and fan appreciation of him and his microphone didn’t impart intelligence or logic. He consistently rationalizes our failures with the ridic excuse that this ‘new era’ is challenging because of the need to blend players from other programs, etc. Well, that’s the case with just about every other team too. That will be the case going forward. Not an excuse. He had another excuse—that we could have been a 9-4 team if not for losses by just a few points. Yeah, well, that’s what wins and losses come down to. Derp. And yeah, we could have lost a few of those games we won by just a few points. Dumb. That bit about the fans on social media not having a clue…. Glass houses and all that.

Just massive, illogical homerism, defying both fact and logic. He reminds me of Christopher on The Sopranos, mixing up/melding common idioms and phrases. Chris once said if Adriana, when describing her experience managing clubs(?), “She’s been wanting to get her teeth wet with the entertaining….” I wish professional communicators could communicate good. A well communicator knows all the better sayings. Just saying.

We don’t have athletic advantages anywhere on the court. We have a 6’10” 5-star, and I can’t remember him ever dunking. I’d be surprised if our entire team has more than two alley oops on the season, while other teams get four or five on us per game. We are constantly stuffed at the rim. Fast breaks? A memory.

The defense is still atrocious. Freeman has no clue. Is he hurt? He limps back on d from time to time. He sags off guys who then just take open jumpers on him. And make them. Is this from the coaches? If so, it’s insane/incompetence. Lampkin still overrotates and goes way too far on switches and hedges and leaves his man and the lane wide open. Cuffe and Lucas are bordering on ’good,’ except for their occasional lapses. I actually saw Bell defending well for spells today. Shocking!

Good to have JJ back, on the timeline indicated by the announcers weeks ago.

Still far too many really bad unforced errors. From everyone. Still too difficult to get the ball inbounds. Playmaking? What’s that? A guy dribbles at the top and four guys stand around. Lampkin’s Magic passes have disappeared. Because teams are ready for that now, or because no one moves/cuts anymore? They double Lampkin in the post and expose his clumsiness.

We had back to back plays with Freeman shooting midrange jumpers. The second of which was a nice recognition from Petar. Maybe the staff should let Petar design the offense and call plays. Anyway, so, those two plays were beautiful, so of course the next time down the court when they went back to it, it was a disaster. Oh, wait—no, they didn’t go back to it. I said when Freeman was a recruit that he would be most effective in an obvious system, where plays are designed and called for him. Not to have him just roaming and factoring into random circumstances. He’s not getting those system situations.

I remember 45 years ago, in my CYO days, there was this big kid on another team. He couldn’t do anything. Except he wouod stand at the elbow already facing the basket, take a pass and just shoot it. No dribbles, no feints. Just catch, shoot. And he killed us. That was his system. We have a system where we let players do varied things. When you have talent, that’s attractive to a player, and can be successful on the court. When you don’t have talent, all you do is fracture focus, and diffuse effectiveness.

theres just too much variety and too many mouths to feed

modern basketball players in the NIL era are all going to experience the sport through their own motives and aspirations

i mean these guys can make actual more money by scoring more points now and transferring next year, for example...their NIL next year is riding on how they do in these games! and guess what...their NIL money next year is NOT riding on SUs win-loss record!!

so when you have 10 guys who all think they are good...and need to "get theirs" ...and the team is losing anyway...you get what we got...a slew of hurried and forced shots...without any rhyme or reason...everyone was just chucking it up there...

if you took away all the bad shots SU took in this game...and replaced them with similar possessions to the ones in which they got good shots...i think SU wins...despite everything. they did really well when they took good shots. and really poorly when they didnt.

when the rotations and minutes are up for grabs...you expose yourself to this kind of grab bag situation where everyone is kinda just gunning for themselves ...like a glorified pickup game, basically.

its good to have a deep team...but the shot selection seems to be suffering as a result.