FSU vs The ACC

[kirbivore]

Exactly. At the same time, the ACC might have benefited asa whole from having us lose to Miami last year ... and it seemed like they were going to do that with some 1st quarter calls... but it ended up being pretty even. Don't count on the ACC helping any school other than Duke and UNC. Which is at least part of the reason why FSU and Clemson want out so badly. Duke and UNC will probably get more calls in the Dome than we will get on the road...

Don't remember the year but the ACC refs screwed UNC out of an onsides kick recovery in the ACC title game vs. playoff bound Clemson.

 

[Archbold44]

Don't remember the year but the ACC refs screwed UNC out of an onsides kick recovery in the ACC title game vs. playoff bound Clemson.

I bet those refs hold their breath when they start their car in the morning...

 

[jr4750]

Some financials here:

Inside the ACC’s new team payout models, record revenue year and settlement with Clemson and Florida State

The ACC’s 2023-24 tax 990 form, released in May, showed a record $711 million in revenue, a $5 million increase from the previous year. But the ACC’s revenue payout system has recently gone through substantial changes that will give select ACC schools more money for postseason success and TV...

www.dukechronicle.com

 

[HtownOrange]

Some financials here:

Inside the ACC’s new team payout models, record revenue year and settlement with Clemson and Florida State

The ACC’s 2023-24 tax 990 form, released in May, showed a record $711 million in revenue, a $5 million increase from the previous year. But the ACC’s revenue payout system has recently gone through substantial changes that will give select ACC schools more money for postseason success and TV...

www.dukechronicle.com

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It will be interesting to eventually see what ESPN kicked - if anything - into the future deal, whether it closes the gap or not.

The article disposes the internet claim that the ACC is not beneficial to the Mickey Mouse Consortium of Greed.

 

[MikeSU02]

ForGET thE facTS! WE kNOw tHE AcC makes LeSs tHaN $30 mILioN peR TeAm PeR Year, mUch MUch leSS ThAn The bIg 12, bECAUse THe BiG12 cYBer WarriORs AnD inTERweb BlOggeRS tOld US so.



It will be interesting to eventually see what ESPN kicked - if anything - into the future deal, whether it closes the gap or not.

The article disposes the internet claim that the ACC is not beneficial to the Mickey Mouse Consortium of Greed.

Was waiting for your victory lap, haha.

 

[kingtidge]

Reading the tea leaves, it almost sounds like the conference is doubling-down on a "haves" and "haves-not" revenue distro approach driven by football... at least in the viewership and post-season incentives components...

Not surprised by that, since that is where the bread is buttered but some OG ACC b-ball schools aren't necessarily in prime position here...

i.e.

"...Because football brings in nearly three-quarters of the ACC’s television revenue, it will maintain the largest level of importance. This structure could bring an additional $15 million to a select group of schools, while others could lose millions."​

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"...Although conferences don’t all pay their member schools the same amount, these [new ACC viewership structures] are the most disproportionate payout distribution frameworks proposed by a major conference."​

What is surprising is this can't be sitting well on Tobacco Road when you look at Football viewership numbers by school this past season... Blue blood UNC and Dook with below us in the bottom half... The UNC and Dook "Bubbas" can't be happy about this...

It almost seems like this may purposely be the hold-over structure to keep the conference intact until the entire conference is blown-up / raided when the current deal expires??

I.E. they know it's coming and it's like Thanos...

Sidenote: Was really surprised that BC is that high up the list... I don't know if that's just residual because they are in a major market in the Boston metro area, but I found that surprising.

 

[HtownOrange]

Reading the tea leaves, it almost sounds like the conference is doubling-down on a "haves" and "haves-not" revenue distro approach driven by football... at least in the viewership and post-season incentives components...

Not surprised by that, since that is where the bread is buttered but some OG ACC b-ball schools aren't necessarily in prime position here...

i.e.

"...Because football brings in nearly three-quarters of the ACC’s television revenue, it will maintain the largest level of importance. This structure could bring an additional $15 million to a select group of schools, while others could lose millions."​

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&​

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"...Although conferences don’t all pay their member schools the same amount, these [new ACC viewership structures] are the most disproportionate payout distribution frameworks proposed by a major conference."​

What is surprising is this can't be sitting well on Tobacco Road when you look at Football viewership numbers by school this past season... Blue blood UNC and Dook in the bottom half with us... The UNC and Dook "Bubbas" can't be happy about this...

It almost seems like this may purposely be the hold-over structure to keep the conference intact until the entire conference is blown-up / raided when the current deal expires??

I.E. they know it's coming and it's like Thanos...

Thanks for the work, Kingtidge. For all of the hype UNC has had in football the last few years, their numbers are weak, it must kill UNC to admit NC State has better football viewership.

Do you have numbers on the Hoops side? The above counts for approximately 75% of the incentives. It would be cool to see who gets the remaining 25%.

 

[kingtidge]

Thanks for the work, Kingtidge. For all of the hype UNC has had in football the last few years, their numbers are weak, it must kill UNC to admit NC State has better football viewership.

Do you have numbers on the Hoops side? The above counts for approximately 75% of the incentives. It would be cool to see who gets the remaining 25%.

I couldn't find viewership numbers for ACC basketball this year. Not sure if they just are not released yet or what...

 

[HtownOrange]

I couldn't find viewership numbers for ACC basketball this year. Not sure if they just are not released yet or what...

Thanks. Appreciate the work you were able to accomplish.

It does stink that there was no phase in or warning for the new incentive. The built in advantage that some schools have will not be overcome easily. ESPN will still favor "name" schools over hot teams. There should have been a performance criteria added to the mix, i.e. knocking down the incentive for each loss. See FSU last fall. With nine appearances their numbers are not significantly different than SU's has SU had nine appearances. Plus, FSU stunk, why should they get a bonus when they couldn't even look like a football team.

Just my opinion.

 

[kingtidge]

Thanks. Appreciate the work you were able to accomplish.

It does stink that there was no phase in or warning for the new incentive. The built in advantage that some schools have will not be overcome easily. ESPN will still favor "name" schools over hot teams. There should have been a performance criteria added to the mix, i.e. knocking down the incentive for each loss. See FSU last fall. With nine appearances their numbers are not significantly different than SU's has SU had nine appearances. Plus, FSU stunk, why should they get a bonus when they couldn't even look like a football team.

Just my opinion.

They had to give FSU and Clemson a big carrot to get them to settle, and settling means the ACC was likely worried that they may very well lose the case in open court.

This keeps the conference together (for now) and buys them time to try and figure out how to survive the next conference raid (tho survival efforts may be futile.)

 

[HtownOrange]

They had to give FSU and Clemson a big carrot to get them to settle, and settling means the ACC was likely worried that they may very well lose the case in open court.

This keeps the conference together (for now) and buys them time to try and figure out how to survive the next conference raid (tho survival efforts may be futile.)

I heard it was ESPN leveraging their position on behalf of Clemson and FSU. From all serious IP attorneys I read, the ACC was in the driver's seat from a legal aspect. I do know ESPN was worried details of the GOR would be revealed, they plainly said as much.

Regardless, ESPN and the Mickey Mouse Greed Machine knew they could not lose the ACC, they gross as much in revenue as the ACC does and they make a good profit. So here we (SU and fans) are.

Hopefully, Fran and ADJW get football and hoops in the top quarter of the ACC so when FSU decides they are ready to take on the SEC and the B1G, SU can take a spot, too.

 

[Willy75]

Reading the tea leaves, it almost sounds like the conference is doubling-down on a "haves" and "haves-not" revenue distro approach driven by football... at least in the viewership and post-season incentives components...

Not surprised by that, since that is where the bread is buttered but some OG ACC b-ball schools aren't necessarily in prime position here...

i.e.

"...Because football brings in nearly three-quarters of the ACC’s television revenue, it will maintain the largest level of importance. This structure could bring an additional $15 million to a select group of schools, while others could lose millions."​

​

&​

​

"...Although conferences don’t all pay their member schools the same amount, these [new ACC viewership structures] are the most disproportionate payout distribution frameworks proposed by a major conference."​

What is surprising is this can't be sitting well on Tobacco Road when you look at Football viewership numbers by school this past season... Blue blood UNC and Dook with below us in the bottom half... The UNC and Dook "Bubbas" can't be happy about this...

It almost seems like this may purposely be the hold-over structure to keep the conference intact until the entire conference is blown-up / raided when the current deal expires??

I.E. they know it's coming and it's like Thanos...

Sidenote: Was really surprised that BC is that high up the list... I don't know if that's just residual because they are in a major market in the Boston metro area, but I found that surprising.

Once you get past ND, Clemson, FSU and Miami how much validity do these numbers have on a one year look? If you play all four of them your ratings will get a big tv bump, three of them a little less, etc.

 

[kingtidge]

I heard it was ESPN leveraging their position on behalf of Clemson and FSU. From all serious IP attorneys I read, the ACC was in the driver's seat from a legal aspect. I do know ESPN was worried details of the GOR would be revealed, they plainly said as much.

Regardless, ESPN and the Mickey Mouse Greed Machine knew they could not lose the ACC, they gross as much in revenue as the ACC does and they make a good profit. So here we (SU and fans) are.

Hopefully, Fran and ADJW get football and hoops in the top quarter of the ACC so when FSU decides they are ready to take on the SEC and the B1G, SU can take a spot, too.

Yeah, if the legal footing was sound for the ACC, then the leverage came from elsewhere and ESPN could very well have been putting on the pressure to settle.

I read the same that the legal footing was solid but that the conference was also worried about the court venue location/judges involved.

 

[baggerbob]

Once you get past ND, Clemson, FSU and Miami how much validity do these numbers have on a one year look? If you play all four of them your ratings will get a big tv bump, three of them a little less, etc.

Actually this years schedule if we can get to 8 or 9 wins we will get a big bump going into next year. And if we stay competitive in the losses, Fran will be in hot demand to be on TV. The networks would dictate that we get prime time slots. And the Officials would be not be handicapping us as in years past.
Ratings means money and someone like Fran winning at Syracuse would generate money.

 

[OrangePA]

Reading the tea leaves, it almost sounds like the conference is doubling-down on a "haves" and "haves-not" revenue distro approach driven by football... at least in the viewership and post-season incentives components...

Not surprised by that, since that is where the bread is buttered but some OG ACC b-ball schools aren't necessarily in prime position here...

i.e.

"...Because football brings in nearly three-quarters of the ACC’s television revenue, it will maintain the largest level of importance. This structure could bring an additional $15 million to a select group of schools, while others could lose millions."​

​

&​

​

"...Although conferences don’t all pay their member schools the same amount, these [new ACC viewership structures] are the most disproportionate payout distribution frameworks proposed by a major conference."​

What is surprising is this can't be sitting well on Tobacco Road when you look at Football viewership numbers by school this past season... Blue blood UNC and Dook with below us in the bottom half... The UNC and Dook "Bubbas" can't be happy about this...

It almost seems like this may purposely be the hold-over structure to keep the conference intact until the entire conference is blown-up / raided when the current deal expires??

I.E. they know it's coming and it's like Thanos...

Sidenote: Was really surprised that BC is that high up the list... I don't know if that's just residual because they are in a major market in the Boston metro area, but I found that surprising.

Ga Tech????

Huh????

Is this a typo? Did somebody slip in the GA Bulldogs viewership???

 

[CU44SE]

Ga Tech????

Huh????

Is this a typo? Did somebody slip in the GA Bulldogs viewership???

They played FSU in Dublin week 0 with no other football.

They played Notre Dame

They played undefeated Miami

They Played at Georgia.

Those are all big time teams with big time windows. Hence as someone said above. It’s not necessarily how big your fan base is. But how important your game is and who you play.

 

[sutomcat]

They played FSU in Dublin week 0 with no other football.

They played Notre Dame

They played undefeated Miami

They Played at Georgia.

Those are all big time teams with big time windows. Hence as someone said above. It’s not necessarily how big your fan base is. But how important your game is and who you play.

Towards that end, our games against Tennessee, ND and Clemson should get good ratings. The tough schedule should help us here.

 

[Toga]

Ga Tech????

Huh????

Is this a typo? Did somebody slip in the GA Bulldogs viewership???

Both of their fans own hundreds of thousands of televisions.

 

[HtownOrange]

Towards that end, our games against Tennessee, ND and Clemson should get good ratings. The tough schedule should help us here.

...and after we sweep all three everyone will want to watch SU...

 

[IthacaMatt]

ForGET thE facTS! WE kNOw tHE AcC makes LeSs tHaN $30 mILioN peR TeAm PeR Year, mUch MUch leSS ThAn The bIg 12, bECAUse THe BiG12 cYBer WarriORs AnD inTERweb BlOggeRS tOld US so.



It will be interesting to eventually see what ESPN kicked - if anything - into the future deal, whether it closes the gap or not.

The article disposes the internet claim that the ACC is not beneficial to the Mickey Mouse Consortium of Greed.

Well, to be fair, the Big 10 still makes $18M more per year.
But the ACC's revenue appears to have doubled in the last 5-10 years.

 

[Consigliere]

Reading the tea leaves, it almost sounds like the conference is doubling-down on a "haves" and "haves-not" revenue distro approach driven by football... at least in the viewership and post-season incentives components...

Not surprised by that, since that is where the bread is buttered but some OG ACC b-ball schools aren't necessarily in prime position here...

i.e.

"...Because football brings in nearly three-quarters of the ACC’s television revenue, it will maintain the largest level of importance. This structure could bring an additional $15 million to a select group of schools, while others could lose millions."​

​

&​

​

"...Although conferences don’t all pay their member schools the same amount, these [new ACC viewership structures] are the most disproportionate payout distribution frameworks proposed by a major conference."​

What is surprising is this can't be sitting well on Tobacco Road when you look at Football viewership numbers by school this past season... Blue blood UNC and Dook with below us in the bottom half... The UNC and Dook "Bubbas" can't be happy about this...

It almost seems like this may purposely be the hold-over structure to keep the conference intact until the entire conference is blown-up / raided when the current deal expires??

I.E. they know it's coming and it's like Thanos...

Sidenote: Was really surprised that BC is that high up the list... I don't know if that's just residual because they are in a major market in the Boston metro area, but I found that surprising.

Struggling to understand the data. What is the time period involved? Does the top table only include certain media outlets? Why would BC only have 4 appearances (and Cuse only 5 for that matter) when all games are televised? Is strength of schedule factored in somehow? With Cuse playing 5 of the 6 top teams next year it seems like an advantage. Will this be a dynamic system that is reallocated every year or based on a static time block?

 

[kingtidge]

Struggling to understand the data. What is the time period involved? Does the top table only include certain media outlets? Why would BC only have 4 appearances (and Cuse only 5 for that matter) when all games are televised? Is strength of schedule factored in somehow? With Cuse playing 5 of the 6 top teams next year it seems like an advantage. Will this be a dynamic system that is reallocated every year or based on a static time block?

It's last season viewership figures for the ACC (no OOC).

Obviously, if you play teams that draw big viewrship (ND, Clemson, etc.) it pads your numbers (if you are a traditional smaller viewership program.)

Can't answer your other questions, sorry...

 

[Toga]

Struggling to understand the data. What is the time period involved? Does the top table only include certain media outlets? Why would BC only have 4 appearances (and Cuse only 5 for that matter) when all games are televised? Is strength of schedule factored in somehow? With Cuse playing 5 of the 6 top teams next year it seems like an advantage. Will this be a dynamic system that is reallocated every year or based on a static time block?

You sure do ask a lot of questions for somebody from New Jersey.

 

[Consigliere]

You sure do ask a lot of questions for somebody from New Jersey.

New Jersey!?? Not a chance!

Reminds me of a Con Law class I took at SU. Big lecture room in Maxwell. Prof was wrapping class on the first day and closed with:

“Now, as we move forward I need a little information to plan the semester. I have to decide how to balance complex material with the capability of my audience to comprehend it. So how much do I need to water down the material to just basics? Should I be avoiding technical terminology and try to use just one syllable words? Should I assign reading that has lots of pictures and little verbiage? I guess what I really need to know, by show of hands, how many of you are from New Jersey?”

I think half of the students dropped the class after that!

 

[orange79]

New Jersey!?? Not a chance!

Reminds me of a Con Law class I took at SU. Big lecture room in Maxwell. Prof was wrapping class on the first day and closed with:

“Now, as we move forward I need a little information to plan the semester. I have to decide how to balance complex material with the capability of my audience to comprehend it. So how much do I need to water down the material to just basics? Should I be avoiding technical terminology and try to use just one syllable words? Should I assign reading that has lots of pictures and little verbiage? I guess what I really need to know, by show of hands, how many of you are from New Jersey?”

I think half of the students dropped the class after that!

Sawyer?