FSU vs The ACC

[sufandu]

I agree with a lot of what you and Bob said as well. I'd like to add a few things and see what y'all think.

A few things about the ACC that are different than the SEC/Big10. The ACC schedules home and homes with smaller conference schools which is often taboo with the SEC/Big10 and these are often trap games with little upside. Can't lose to the preverbal directional school.

The SEC/Big 10 have huge state schools which are consumers and dollars for networks and the like. That bring$ a perspective that can be slanted towards those teams and also it's a way to "educate" the neutral viewer, like pushing the chefs special at a restaurant for the undecided/casual patron.

Alumni that are the people talking and pushing a perspective and narrative like they do in politics on networks and the like. There is a extreme bias here and it's incredibly difficult to listen to "experts" when their narrative is slanted.

The phallic issue and big stadiums. I used to battle post on rivals and this was something often brought up. The disrespect for smaller stadiums and using that to determine what is a "real" football program and what is not considered "serious" about football. That goes with facilities as well. this isn't just a fan thing as players as well do this and we did see this in basketball when we filled the Dome with 30k, it's a heck of a selling point. Passion helps and SU fans do help with that with noise in football but overall the conference lacks in this.

The SEC also schedules the smaller conference schools but not home and homes. They often use them as defacto late season bye weeks before their rivalry games. I think it's brilliant. I would like us to do it so we have a chance at a little rest late in the season when the ACC screws us with early bye weeks

There's no getting around the passion that SEC fans have for their football teams. It really is a religion and pro football plays second fiddle down here. People don't understand it unless they live around it. It benefits the SEC in a number of ways. You get more kids playing football at young ages and the it's treated like college football, so there are more regional prospects. Those prospects want to stay closer to home because of their passion for their schools and conference. That passion also fills those huge stadiums and contributes to the pageantry. I think it's overboard, but there's no doubt it's reason to brag. All the local sports talk is related to the SEC. You don't hear national sports talk on the radio or other platforms because it's pushed aside for local/regional stuff, so many fans honestly think there is nothing else going on outside of the SEC. It's a willful ignorance.

I hate pointing this out, but the SEC has been dominant for most of two decades. If it had only been Saban and Alabama, they couldn't make that claim, but it hasn't. When they weren't winning, other schools were. LSU, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida all chipped in. They've won 13 out of the last 20 NCs. And the 2nd and 3rd place schools were often beating big name programs in major bowls or early season games. So the national media has had reason to talk about them a lot, but it has gotten out of hand. I'm not always on the same page as Wilbon, but I like that he calls it out.

I'll be rooting against all SEC teams during the playoff and in any big matchups next year. Let's smack Tennessee next year and root for Miami against Florida, Georgia against Georgia Tech, and Clemson against South Carolina.

 

[Hoo's That]

Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. From what others have said, our problems preceded Nancy, but she screwed up more while failing to address what had already led to the erosion up to that point. It looks like us and Miami may be starting to pull our weight. SMU may be a sleeping giant that's waking up. Making a run in the playoff would help, but they need to schedule better OOC games early in the season. We need wins against highly ranked OOC teams to change the reputation of the conference. The only team to do that recently was Clemson and they failed at it this year. We (the conference) have opportunities next year to do it. Let's take out Tennessee and do our part.

Agree with what you've posted. I think SMU will now be able to get better OOC games than they were able to get in the American (in addition to better players). There is no doubt in my mind that they are the biggest winner in this latest round of musical conferences.

 

[Toga]

Agree with what you've posted. I think SMU will now be able to get better OOC games than they were able to get in the American (in addition to better players). There is no doubt in my mind that they are the biggest winner in this latest round of musical conferences.

And not accepting revenue shares for x # of seasons. Which is nice.

 

[DoctorBombay]

And not accepting revenue shares for x # of seasons. Which is nice.

With the open CFB free market, and all that oil money flowing outta DFW (is that still a thing in Dallas?), they'll do just fine.
SMU fans that I've talked to are just happy to be at the P4 table, and this season was validation that they made a great decision

 

[pokercuse08]

The location of a conference’s HQ means nothing. It’s an office. Like, I can’t even adequately express how inconsequential the location is.

The only thing that matters is having it someplace where there’s good IT folks nearby that can can hired.

Exactly. Where the conference championship games/tournaments are, on the other hand, matters.

I would consider DC for the football championship if I were the ACC, or perhaps rotating it between NY, Charlotte, and Atlanta. They should have been trying to get the ACC basketball tourney to the Garden after the Big East broke up, but that ship has now sailed through 2032. Rotating it between Brooklyn/DC/Charlotte/Atlanta is the next best option probably. It should never again be in Greensboro.

They need to send a clear message that they're a national conference, and there are two components to that: winning meaningful games/championships and branding.

 

[Moontan]

The SEC also schedules the smaller conference schools but not home and homes. They often use them as defacto late season bye weeks before their rivalry games. I think it's brilliant. I would like us to do it so we have a chance at a little rest late in the season when the ACC screws us with early bye weeks

We kind of try to do that with Yukon.

 

[sufandu]

We kind of try to do that with Yukon.

Yeah, I've we've done that a couple times recently. I hope we continue to and I hope we schedule even easier games, so our starter can be sitting in the 4th.

 

[WoadBlue]

Agree with what you've posted. I think SMU will now be able to get better OOC games than they were able to get in the American (in addition to better players). There is no doubt in my mind that they are the biggest winner in this latest round of musical conferences.

SMU is the perfect school for this era. It has a large number of rich alums who love football and will donate big bucks so SMU can have top talent. Topping that off is the fact the DFW is just beyond loaded with football talent.