FSU vs The ACC

[elimunelson]

Now it is, but if the ACC gets gutted, the revenue will drop a good deal. Basically, it is either the ACC do whatever it takes to remain Major, or else what remains of the ACC will be not much better off than the AAC..

The BT and SEC mean business - the kind that murders competition. The Pac, the Rose Bowl Pac which has many times more football history than does the ACC, is dead in all but name. And when the leftover 2 are forced to join another league even the name will give, just like the SWC.

"murders competition". Sounds like a great starting argument for a good antitrust lawsuit once all the conferences are gone except two.

ACC will remain in place for another 4 years and then let's see where things are. I bet at some point there will be some buyer's remorse from teams who have joined the big 2 and are stuck in a 5-8 success vicious cycle of mediocrity because the competition is ratcheted up to NFL like levels.

 

[Hoo's That]

If that's the case why are we constantly arguing about the impact of this tiny catholic school in central Indiana that really is going to be a lowgrade UCF by 2040?

I think ND will enhance its reputation going forward because, as i've seen with other jesuit schools in the northeast (hello Nova, HC, GTOWN), the dogma is something people are looking for and want in this crazy world we live in.

I think the Catholic identity is going to have a large comeback based on how nutty colleges are getting nationally. Just my two cents (not to dip my toes in anything political)

Slight corrections -
ND and Nova aren't Jesuit schools. ND is run by the Confraternity of the Holy Cross and Nova is run by the Augustinians.

ND is #20 in the USN&WR rankings and Georgetown is #22.

 

[TheCusian]

UNC is going to end up in the B1G with UVA and probably Duke and a couple other ACC schools.

I don’t know why people get so weird about this stuff. At some point in the next decade the ACC will get picked apart by the B1G and SEC. Those will be the two power conferences.

SU will likely end up in a rebranded “Big 12” that houses all of us misfit toys. Too big to be FCS, too small to be power 2.

It’ll be fine.

That’s my hope. Eventually, they will gobble us up too and probably merge and end up with some commissioner who will negotiate the whole tv deal for the P1. Then, they’ll actually take steps with an empowered leadership to do what’s right for the sport.

One can dream

 

[kcsu]

The ACC will be fine solid third position that will only get better when the 12 contract is up. There is way to much money being made by ESPN to give up the ACC. They will ensure that the league does well. Consolidation at this point does nothing but hurt the Mouse. I expect the ACC to grow its West coast footprint next go around and expect San Diego State, Houston, Tulane, and possibly Central Florida to be added. Cincy might be a target as well.

 

[wiseman3]

I'd rather compete for a playoff spot in the #3 league instead of battling to go 6-6 every year in a super conference...so many of these teams fans are going to be in for a rude awakening when they can't compete in a 20 team league of the big boys

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I'd rather compete for a playoff spot in the #3 league instead of battling to go 6-6 every year in a super conference...so many of these teams fans are going to be in for a rude awakening when they can't compete in a 20 team league of the big boys

Depends on who is in the conference with you. If we are stuck playing current B12 teams, I rather be playing yearly against Notre Dame, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, BC.

 

[elimunelson]

I'd rather compete for a playoff spot in the #3 league instead of battling to go 6-6 every year in a super conference...so many of these teams fans are going to be in for a rude awakening when they can't compete in a 20 team league of the big boys

Nebraska, USC, Oregon, even Texas are going to be in for a very rude awakening.

These teams will all complain at some point. Even the Rutgers of the world have been neutered to the point of being Washington Generals to the BIG. Rutgers will never ever get to a bowl game in multi years in a row. It's too hard in that powderkeg

 

[WoadBlue]

The ACC will be fine solid third position that will only get better when the 12 contract is up. There is way to much money being made by ESPN to give up the ACC. They will ensure that the league does well. Consolidation at this point does nothing but hurt the Mouse. I expect the ACC to grow its West coast footprint next go around and expect San Diego State, Houston, Tulane, and possibly Central Florida to be added. Cincy might be a target as well.

Of those you list, only SDSU is on the West Cost.

Will Stanford and Cal want a CSU system school? Their snobbery against anything CSU system is bigger than any snobbery against WVU held by UNC, UVA, and Dook. Some assume that SDSU was a certainty to be Pac 12 if it had survived, but SMU people have said they had been promised that 11th slot and were not certain of anything else. Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah are all AAU.

USF is AAU, and UCF is nowhere close to such an invite. USF also now will have an on campus stadium.

New Orleans can be a fun city to visit for Away games, but I doubt Tulane ever gets much consideration unless the ACC has lost several members.

Houston would be in any running to add a couple more TX schools along with TTU, Baylor, and TCU.

If you have Louisville and Pitt, Cincy just makes perfect geographic sense. And then there is being in OH with all its great HS football.

 

[GoCuse14]

Isn't today the day that some poster over on the RutGirl's board (actually a FLA ST fan) said that State and Clemson would be announcing that they are leaving?

He for sure moved goal posts over last couple of weeks. What a joke. He had been going on and on about his FLA ST insiders and all the "goings on"...hes been proven waay more wrong than right.

 

[elimunelson]

Blue state overlords in North Carolina? NC is pretty safe for him, blowing up the ACC might put it in play.

I am saying it in jest but desperate schools will resort to desperate measures IMO.

 

[sutomcat]

Isn't today the day that some poster over on the RutGirl's board (actually a FLA ST fan) said that State and Clemson would be announcing that they are leaving?

He for sure moved goal posts over last couple of weeks. What a joke. He had been going on and on about his FLA ST insiders and all the "goings on"...hes been proven waay more wrong than right.

Those idiots have been wrong about everything they have said regarding their lawsuit. No surprise they are full of crap again.

Not sure it was mentioned on the board but it was reported a few days ago that mediation has started between the ACC and FSU. The mediator has no power and cannot force a settlement. I don't expect any progress on that front but I guess anything is possible if Rutgers is still an accredited instituation of higher learning.

 

[Cusefan69]

ACC response to all options presented by the mediator and FSU

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Those idiots have been wrong about everything they have said regarding their lawsuit. No surprise they are full of crap again.

Not sure it was mentioned on the board but it was reported a few days ago that mediation has started between the ACC and FSU. The mediator has no power and cannot force a settlement. I don't expect any progress on that front but I guess anything is possible if Rutgers is still an accredited instituation of higher learning.

Rutgers is a stellar academic institution. For some reason their athletics department has, for decades, been run by folks who couldn't operate a lemonade stand.

 

[BigNastyJon]

As long as we’re in a conference that is good for basketball and has a path to playoff for football I’ve come to give zero fvcks

 

[Cusefan95]

Rutgers is a stellar academic institution. For some reason their athletics department has, for decades, been run by folks who couldn't operate a lemonade stand.

To come to that conclusion, you have to assume they actually want to win and are incompetent. I don’t think that’s the case. Rutgers has had a long standing, vocal opposition from faculty to “big time athletics”. Tenured English professor William C. Dowling used to write articles in the NYT arguing against the athletic department.

The faculty seem to have settled into the position that they’ll gladly cash the Big Ten checks - they just don’t want the Rutgers AD to get any big ideas about actually being competitive for championships (women’s basketball used to be an accepted exception, but with it getting more media attention that is likely changing). It’s a rare school where winning too much is probably more detrimental to your career as an athletic director than losing a lot.

 

[HtownOrange]

To come to that conclusion, you have to assume they actually want to win and are incompetent. I don’t think that’s the case. Rutgers has had a long standing, vocal opposition from faculty to “big time athletics”. Tenured English professor William C. Dowling used to write articles in the NYT arguing against the athletic department.

The faculty seem to have settled into the position that they’ll gladly cash the Big Ten checks - they just don’t want the Rutgers AD to get any big ideas about actually being competitive for championships (women’s basketball used to be an accepted exception, but with it getting more media attention that is likely changing). It’s a rare school where winning too much is probably more detrimental to your career as an athletic director than losing a lot.

The Rutgers AD has been stealing from the students (Student activity fees), the University (deep funding with decades of financial mismanagement and losses and unpaid "loans" from the university bank) and from the State of New Jersey (taxes, funding). The AD has been a mess for many, many years and is not likely to break even in out lifetimes. The Faculty is right to despise the Rutgers AD. Just my take on the matter.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

The Rutgers AD has been stealing from the students (Student activity fees), the University (deep funding with decades of financial mismanagement and losses and unpaid "loans" from the university bank) and from the State of New Jersey (taxes, funding). The AD has been a mess for many, many years and is not likely to break even in out lifetimes. The Faculty is right to despise the Rutgers AD. Just my take on the matter.

Nailed it. The faculty don't necessarily hate athletics, just horrific mismanagement that results in the AD siphoning off astronomical amounts of money that should never be going to them.

 

[kirbivore]

Not sure it was mentioned on the board but it was reported a few days ago that mediation has started between the ACC and FSU. The mediator has no power and cannot force a settlement. I don't expect any progress on that front but I guess anything is possible if Rutgers is still an accredited instituation of higher learning.

 

[sutomcat]

This is David McKenzie’s take on the mediation process for this case.

Why the incompetent FSU law school grad judge would order mediation in a case with no chance of it being successful is beyond me. As is everything that judge does.

Hopefully this case marks the end of his career on the bench.


BTW, yesterday was the withdrawal deadline for schools wanting to leave the ACC for 2025-26. The usuall boneheads all said to expect big news by yesterday. It was finally going to happen!

Nope.

 

[kcsu]

This is David McKenzie’s take on the mediation process for this case.

Why the incompetent FSU law school grad judge would order mediation in a case with no chance of it being successful is beyond me. As is everything that judge does.

Hopefully this case marks the end of his career on the bench.


BTW, yesterday was the withdrawal deadline for schools wanting to leave the ACC for 2025-26. The usuall boneheads all said to expect big news by yesterday. It was finally going to happen!

Nope.

same idiot that is posting the 32 team super league?

 

[Cusefan95]

This is David McKenzie’s take on the mediation process for this case.

Why the incompetent FSU law school grad judge would order mediation in a case with no chance of it being successful is beyond me. As is everything that judge does.

Hopefully this case marks the end of his career on the bench.

BTW, yesterday was the withdrawal deadline for schools wanting to leave the ACC for 2025-26. The usual boneheads all said to expect big news by yesterday. It was finally going to happen!

Nope.

In McKenzie's take, he said it was a mandatory step in the civil process.

 

[HtownOrange]

This is David McKenzie’s take on the mediation process for this case.

Why the incompetent FSU law school grad judge would order mediation in a case with no chance of it being successful is beyond me. As is everything that judge does.

Hopefully this case marks the end of his career on the bench.


BTW, yesterday was the withdrawal deadline for schools wanting to leave the ACC for 2025-26. The usuall boneheads all said to expect big news by yesterday. It washreat of a lawsuit. This tactic failed miserably. Then the lawsuit. This tactic is failing miserably. The ACC has no impetus to cater to FSU's demands. Ironically, Alford stated FSU would be out this year and the original filing asked the court to have the case retroactively provide notice if FSU leaving to last summer. A point lost in all this is that the Florida Court thought this was too ridiculous that they simply ignored the demand.

The court is FSU's last best hope. If they cannot win in the courts, they will have to pinch pennies and raise money for many years to save the money to buy out the last few years.

 

[TexanMark]

In McKenzie's take, he said it was a mandatory step in the civil process.

FSU surely has spent millions already on legal fees.

Clemson also has spent a ton of money

Eventually they'll hit a financial wall
But hey maybe not...they love paying off coaches

FSU has paid off Willie Taggart's buyout from 2019 dismissal

FSU has paid off the millions of dollars owed to Willie Taggart after firing during the 2019 season. How does this help FSU football?

chopchat.com

 

[sutomcat]

In McKenzie's take, he said it was a mandatory step in the civil process.

The civil process should not mandate extremely expensive processes in cases where it is clear the process has no chance of working.

Let’s hope McKenzie is right and the mediation process at least ends quickly. If he is right, I am thinking we should have word it failed shortly.

 

[Shoym]

I love this thread! Thanks to all for the insight!