Future Campus Framework Presentation...

[KellySyracuse]

First of all, there is a glut of office space downtown that could be converted to apartments to house displaced residents.

Re: renderings - since when are renderings ever not impressive??? I think it's cute that this boulevard will be lined by 30' maple trees right from the outset. If pioneer homes is not demolished they will be the gateway to the city. Now that's impressive.

and I love your cavelier attitude about making people leave their homes, a place they may have lived for a few decades to just pick up their belongings and move to some random, abandoned office building because it seems convenient for those that don't want to deal with the poor folks

 

[orangenauburn]

and I love your cavelier attitude about making people leave their homes, a place they may have lived for a few decades to just pick up their belongings and move to some random, abandoned office building because it seems convenient for those that don't want to deal with the poor folks

Did you read the PS article a few months back about how many in Pioneer just absolutely trash the hell out of the place as soon as they move in, then tax paid for contractors come in and fix them up again for the next family ... Only for the cycle to start again?

As for the Dome, I'd imagine no raised 81 would free up tailgate space that all could enjoy.

 

[CuseOnly]

and I love your cavelier attitude about making people leave their homes, a place they may have lived for a few decades to just pick up their belongings and move to some random, abandoned office building because it seems convenient for those that don't want to deal with the poor folks

Have you ever been down to those apartments? Or actually in one of them? I have, many many times.

Article from 2015 regarding Pioneer Homes. Public housing crisis intensifies in Syracuse, New York - World Socialist Web Site

Housing was built 75 years ago and haven't been renovated in 20+ years now.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Have you ever been down to those apartments? Or actually in one of them? I have, many many times.

Article from 2015 regarding Pioneer Homes. Public housing crisis intensifies in Syracuse, New York - World Socialist Web Site

Housing was built 75 years ago and haven't been renovated in 20+ years now.

Those homes are taxpayer subsidized. They are in no position to make demands about their location. If they don't like their accommodations they can leave and find something better. If my commute through the city is going to be longer and will involve waiting at stoplights then I don't want to see eyesores. It's a perfect example for eminent domain.

 

[CuseOnly]

Those homes are taxpayer subsidized. They are in no position to make demands about their location. If they don't like their accommodations they can leave and find something better. If my commute through the city is going to be longer and will involve waiting at stoplights then I don't want to see eyesores. It's a perfect example for eminent domain.

My post was to enlighten some of the entitled attitude of some folks who live there that feel they deserve better housing and jobs for no other reason than they can't get it themselves. And demand more money from the government without paying anything in taxes.

Not to say that there are some that don't deserve a leg up and help from the government.

 

[OttoMets]

I too am interested in the new renovations and I wonder if they're involved in the I-81 planning process. They seem to have taken that show on the road and have the public presentations scheduled. Getting 30-50k people in and out of the University area is likely a component of any major roadwork.

They aren't, but it's a reasonable thought.

 

[OttoMets]

getting back to the dome and Rt 81 discussion

As great as it would be to have SU take ownership of the property where Pioneer Homes is now, where are you going to house all of the people that currently live there?

I went to an Rt81 meeting last week, the renderings of what the city would look like without the viaduct are impressive. I would love to see a dome reno that included tailgate areas on the other side of the highway. It would be a pipe dream to think Wegman's could be the dome sponsor and provide concessions throughout, including a small scale grocery store located somewhere along Almond St. after the bridges come down. But I also want NYS to sell wine and liquor in the grocery store too and that isn't happening anytime soon.

Chr!st, we can't even get Uber up here because of Albany

Nah, it's the local yokels in all the Upstate cities who get contributions from the taxi lobby who are stalling with Uber; they make a public effort but are unwilling to reconcile the legislation.

I wasn't going to wade into the Pioneer Homes talk earlier, but you're right that they're not going anywhere. Without SHA's involvement, the current plan wouldn't look nearly as good as it does. There's not a lot of demand for that land and no reasonable way to relocate hundreds of people.

 

[oldpinepoint]

They aren't, but it's a reasonable thought.

You would think that would be considered in any stage of planning.

 

[OttoMets]

Those homes are taxpayer subsidized. They are in no position to make demands about their location. If they don't like their accommodations they can leave and find something better. If my commute through the city is going to be longer and will involve waiting at stoplights then I don't want to see eyesores. It's a perfect example for eminent domain.

It's actually exactly the opposite of what eminent domain is for. You couldn't draw up a more imperfect example.

 

[OttoMets]

You would think that would be considered in any stage of planning.

Yes and no; they're using their modeling (something I take with a giant grain of salt), which takes into account current conditions. Vehicle throughput will be enhanced by changes to the system, so while NYSDOT isn't specifically looking at Dome event traffic, it's taken into account as part of the broader regional driving patterns they're basing engineering on.

Anyway, the point I meant to make was that SU's taking a silent observer position in the 81 planning process and that process isn't tied to any Dome renovation delay. (Though chakka's claim a few posts back was, based on what I hear, spot-on.)

 

[KellySyracuse]

Have you ever been down to those apartments? Or actually in one of them? I have, many many times.

Article from 2015 regarding Pioneer Homes. Public housing crisis intensifies in Syracuse, New York - World Socialist Web Site

Housing was built 75 years ago and haven't been renovated in 20+ years now.

I've been down there many years ago but have never been in one. I understand the idea of wanting to level the place but there are people living there that will need to be moved if it's torn down.

 

[FrancoPizza]

As for the Dome, I'd imagine no raised 81 would free up tailgate space that all could enjoy.

I have yet to see any plans that specify how this mythical new acreage will resurface. It's just liberal hogwash. It's common sense that a 4-lane blvd with feeders is going to take up just as much space as a 4-lane viaduct. And it will be more divisive and less pedestrian friendly. Those medians with weeds will be great tailgating spots 2 years after it is completed.

 

[xc84]

I have yet to see any plans that specify how this mythical new acreage will resurface. It's just liberal hogwash. It's common sense that a 4-lane blvd with feeders is going to take up just as much space as a 4-lane viaduct. And it will be more divisive and less pedestrian friendly. Those medians with weeds will be great tailgating spots 2 years after it is completed.

Mythical new acreage? You can't put buildings along a raised highway. You can along a street.

 

[FrancoPizza]

My post was to enlighten some of the entitled attitude of some folks who live there that feel they deserve better housing and jobs for no other reason than they can't get it themselves. And demand more money from the government without paying anything in taxes..

This is exactly why we should'nt feel bad about relocating them to shopping town mall or any number of vacant properties downtown.

 

[xc84]

This is exactly why we should'nt feel bad about relocating them to shopping town mall or any number of vacant properties downtown.

Yeah...they can all live in JC Pennys!

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Yeah...they can all live in JC Pennys!

Good luck getting the Town of Dewitt to rezone the area from Commercial to Low Income Housing.

They didn't even want to approve a Sonic.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Good luck getting the Town of Dewitt to rezone the area from Commercial to Low Income Housing.

They didn't even want to approve a Sonic.

The former Howard Johnsons was supposed to start last year this year, and it's getting close to the end of the year ...

To be fair, I've seen the planning process play out up close and personal, and it's not always on the planning board. Some developers don't take it seriously and present a pile of crap then revise the heck out of it at the next meeting, then fail to show up, then ignore requests for additional information, then sell the property, etc.

 

[orangecuse]

I can't wait for that Popeye's on Erie Blvd to open ... just saying.

Zaxby's is great too!

 

[SU68]

yum. Guyere is the best.

I lived in the Philly area for 35 years. If you want the best cheesesteak in Philly, go to Tony Luke's. It's on Oregon Avenue right beside I-95. By the way I have NEVER had a cheesesteak in any other city as good as one in Philly.

 

[Macky44]

I have yet to see any plans that specify how this mythical new acreage will resurface. It's just liberal hogwash. It's common sense that a 4-lane blvd with feeders is going to take up just as much space as a 4-lane viaduct. And it will be more divisive and less pedestrian friendly. Those medians with weeds will be great tailgating spots 2 years after it is completed.

Dumbest opinion I've heard to date about taking down the viaduct. A ground level Blvd with tons of pedestrian bridges and walkways is less friendly than the biggest eye sore in the city? Try again.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Somebody should start a whine and cheese thread.

I participate in one every game day! :noidea:

 

[FrancoPizza]

Dumbest opinion I've heard to date about taking down the viaduct. A ground level Blvd with tons of pedestrian bridges and walkways is less friendly than the biggest eye sore in the city? Try again.

Show me the pedestrian bridges.

 

[CuseOnly]

Show me the pedestrian bridges.

Pedestrian walkways, no bridges were proposed and not one in the renderings that I saw.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Pedestrian walkways, no bridges were proposed and not one in the renderings that I saw.

Exactly. I don't consider the crosswalks to be safe or friendly. Have you been to Erie boulevard lately?

 

[FrancoPizza]

Mythical new acreage? You can't put buildings along a raised highway. You can along a street.

There is plenty of available real estate in other parts of downtown that is not being developed. Taking down a highway is not magically going to spur demand that doesn't exist. Same school of thought as 'build it or in this case destroy it and they will come'.