Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[JJReddawg]

Yes, but an outsider would get a little more time, in my opinion.
If Gerry had a poor start, the media would kill us.

The media narrative would be that Syracuse couldn’t attract a top coach and had to settle for Gerry.

Gerry should have been the hire over Red in the first place, but they absolutely can’t go that route now.

 

[Brooky03]

Don’t care what was asked, don’t need to listen to form my opinion. Because even if the question was a sledgehammer “Do you think Gerry will get bigger offers this offseason”? - the correct answer would be “I don’t know, I was never in the business of hiring coach because I was too busy being one. But Gerry’s a great coach, I expect he’ll have continued success and will get bigger opportunities - if not this year then soon”.

I realize there is absolutely no way JB would ever take that approach. But that’s why I would be thrilled if he would just stop giving interviews.

I’m confused by this. What exactly is the problem with a retired coach talking freely about where a friend of his might be hired?

 

[Frozen]

You are comparing apples and former Oranges.

GMac was a big part of the slide into obscurity before Red got the gig.

And while he’s having a nice season at Siena, they are a low low low mid major.
Doty is pretty much the team.

BH had success as an assistant w Oates at UB and Bama, and then at 2 different programs now as HC.

And USF is substantially further up the food chain than Siena.

BH has a proven system on O, with metrics amongst the very best across all of D1, P4’s included.
And solid D also.

GMac’s metrics are - meh.

They are in no way comparable.

Once again, with feeling:
If the Siena HC was named Gerry Smith, and had never been involved w Cuse in any manner -
no sane fan would be considering him for the HC gig.
None.

He’s getting ZERO buzz for ANY other P4 opening.

 

[JJReddawg]

I’m confused by this. What exactly is the problem with a retired coach talking freely about where a friend of his might be hired?

The biggest issue is that Boeheim is still an employee within the AD at Syracuse, which is looking to fill its coaching position. He’s probably pushing Gerry behind the scenes for all we know.

 

[PauliePeppas]

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I am sure the schools/Gerry are thrilled he is yapping about this….

 

[Irishsecra1]

The biggest issue is that Boeheim is still an employee within the AD at Syracuse, which is looking to fill its coaching position. He’s probably pushing Gerry behind the scenes for all we know.

Probably a really good thing for those who dont want us to hire GMAC.
No way in hell they do what JB wants.

 

[Teddy19]

I think we also underestimate the impact that Gerry leaving had on our program. Red’s worst 3 seasons were after Gerry left.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't know why people hate Chris Mack and guys like him as candidates.

How about some experienced coaches, in case we don't quickly land Hodgson.

James Jones of Yale - 6 NCAAs in the last 10 years.
Tony Skinn of George Mason has been discussed,

Sean Miller is only in his 1st year at Texas, and hasn't been great. But in an era of no NCAA rules, why not? He certainly can coach.

Mick Cronin has never fit at UCLA, but he's a good coach, wins a lot of games, and his teams play really good defense.

If we are going to spend a ton of money on NIL, then why not pay for a proven coach?

We need to WIN NOW. Find legitimate candidates who can do it.

 

[Teddy19]

I think we also underestimate the impact that Gerry leaving had on our program. Red’s worst 3 seasons were after Gerry left.

Oops, meant 2.

 

[Brooky03]

The biggest issue is that Boeheim is still an employee within the AD at Syracuse, which is looking to fill its coaching position. He’s probably pushing Gerry behind the scenes for all we know.

Ok, well I don’t think we should speculate about what he’s doing behind the scenes.

If Gerry was contacted by BC and GT about potentially being their next HC, I don’t think there’s a good reason for JB to play coy about that.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The biggest issue is that Boeheim is still an employee within the AD at Syracuse, which is looking to fill its coaching position. He’s probably pushing Gerry behind the scenes for all we know.

You can take out "for all we know". He's doing so publicly.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think we also underestimate the impact that Gerry leaving had on our program. Red’s worst 3 seasons were after Gerry left.

Gerry was here for the first one. He's only been gone for two.

 

[Teddy19]

Gerry was here for the first one. He's only been gone for two.

Yeah, bad typo on my part!

 

[IthacaMatt]

Ok, well I don’t think we should speculate about what he’s doing behind the scenes.

If Gerry was contacted by BC and GT about potentially being their next HC, I don’t think there’s a good reason for JB to play coy about that.

Employee of the University. Had to be forced out of his job, and pitched a month-long fit in press conferences on the way out.

Lobbied for Gerry last time, too. But didn't think to make GERRY the Associate HC instead of Autry.

Boeheim still thinks he's bigger than the University. Let ESPN pay him. Cut his ties to the University. His selfish act got tiresome ten years ago,

 

[Red Holzman]

Lots of stats and metrics being cited, and lots of passion in this thread which is great.
Regardless if GMac may be the stats/metrics underdog, I'm rolling with my gut feeling.
In 1980, one of my greatest experiences as a sports fan was the underdog U.S. Hockey Team.
Against the odds, I had a gut feeling and fully believed in that team from the start, which made their march to the Miracle on Ice an even greater experience. I went hoarse yelling U.S.A.! while fielding derision from the other 5 college students I shared a house with. Felt so great to believe in that team from the start as they stacked W's. Few gave them a chance, then they slowly got behind them as momentum built to the Miracle On Ice.
May not be a "Miracle", but have the same vibe about GMac. Can't shake visions of how the Dome will absolutely rock as much or more than ever with our guy leading the program back to glory. I believe in GMac -that he can do it.
Fire away or give your thumbs-down. No stat/metric/"tree" or other logic can sway my gut feeling. So there it is.
Absolutely NO better way for SU to become great again. Call it crazy talk, but you can't deny it would be spectacular!
Risk-Reward.

 

[Brooky03]

Employee of the University. Had to be forced out of his job, and pitched a month-long fit in press conferences on the way out.

Lobbied for Gerry last time, too. But didn't think to make GERRY the Associate HC instead of Autry.

Boeheim still thinks he's bigger than the University. Let ESPN pay him. Cut his ties to the University. His selfish act got tiresome ten years ago,

This ax you’re grinding is quite something.

Being an SU employee has no bearing on him talking about the job prospects of Gerry McNamara. Saying Gerry should be a candidate for the job (something others suggested independent of JB’s opinion) is not wild or selfish.

You insist on characterizing an old coach who didn’t want to let go of coaching as selfish, like what he did had ill intent and was cruel to us. Any man in any job has a responsibility to himself, not others, to do that job as long as he wants and is allowed to. If Kent wanted him gone, Kent could have sacked up and fired him and taken whatever heat that would or would not come with. It wasn’t JB’s responsibility to the fans or the University, Kent, or Wildhack to make that move.

 

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[IthacaMatt]

This ax you’re grinding is quite something.

Being an SU employee has no bearing on him talking about the job prospects of Gerry McNamara. Saying Gerry should be a candidate for the job (something others suggested independent of JB’s opinion) is not wild or selfish.

You insist on characterizing an old coach who didn’t want to let go of coaching as selfish, like what he did had ill intent and was cruel to us. Any man in any job has a responsibility to himself, not others, to do that job as long as he wants and is allowed to. If Kent wanted him gone, Kent could have sacked up and fired him and taken whatever heat that would or would not come with. It wasn’t JB’s responsibility to the fans or the University, Kent, or Wildhack to make that move.

If you worked at a company who was interviewing new CEOs, and you talked to the press about candidates, I guarantee you would be punished and probably fired.

 

[Jake]

I bet if Hodgson is really good , he leaves in 3-4 years and Gerry would be a top candidate.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Oops, meant 2.

Just provides further evidence Red was a bad coach, but doesn’t really prove GMac is a great coach or currently capable of taking SU’s head coaching job.

I will say he’s clearly a better coach than Red, but that bar is so low almost any D1 HC can clear it.

 

[Brooky03]

If you worked at a company who was interviewing new CEOs, and you talked to the press about candidates, I guarantee you would be punished and probably fired.

That’s not how that would work and you know it.

JB isn’t sharing insider information. He’s the equivalent of the mailroom clerk saying, “Idk, I think Brad would be a cool CEO.”

He’s not in a position of power and not part of the selection process.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

If you worked at a company who was interviewing new CEOs, and you talked to the press about candidates, I guarantee you would be punished and probably fired.

In a publicly traded company, for sure. At an academic setting, probably not.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You insist on characterizing an old coach who didn’t want to let go of coaching as selfish, like what he did had ill intent and was cruel to us. Any man in any job has a responsibility to himself, not others, to do that job as long as he wants and is allowed to.

Have you ever worked at a job anywhere? This is ludicrous.
At what job do you decide how long you keep the job??
Unless you own it, literally no one does that.

I Kent wanted him gone, Kent could have sacked up and fired him and taken whatever heat that would or would not come with. It wasn’t JB’s responsibility to the fans or the University, Kent, or Wildhack to make that move.

And this sounds awfully naive. Kent had an agreement to let him leave and save face, and HE REFUSED TO GO.

Years later, after many bad seasons, Boeheim bitched in the press, "I DECIDE when I go, nobody else."

Did you forget that?

He was wiling to ruin his reputation and burn down the program so he could coach his sons, and that's exactly what he did,

Kent was afraid of the negative publicity of firing Boeheim. Kent is a little girl not a leader,

 

[cusefan88]

I bet if Hodgson is really good , he leaves in 3-4 years and Gerry would be a top candidate.

I'm very much against Gerry *right now* but this scenario would definitely work assuming both continue their ascent in the profession.

 

[IthacaMatt]

That’s not how that would work and you know it.

JB isn’t sharing insider information. He’s the equivalent of the mailroom clerk saying, “Idk, I think Brad would be a cool CEO.”

He’s not in a position of power and not part of the selection process.

Unless you've suddenly become VERY stupid, you should see that Boeheim is trying to influence the decision using his position in the press.

If nothing else, it's a conflict of interest. As you said, he's not SUPPOSED to have any part in the selection process.

BUT HE'S TRYING TO. You do understand that, right?