Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[Jake]

So, I think there is wayyyy to much “if his name was Joe Smith” we wouldn’t give him a look.

Again, I’m not advocating for Gerry to get the gig. But let’s say this - there is a ton of “anti- Boeheim tree” stuff that is directly tied to Red, and to a lesser extent, Hop.

If this were 2023 and JB was out- and Gerry was in the dance after turning Siena from 4-26 to winning the MAAC in two years, the GMAC to Cuse train would be sold out.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

So, I think there is wayyyy to much “if his name was Joe Smith” we wouldn’t give him a look.

Again, I’m not advocating for Gerry to get the gig. But let’s say this - there is a ton of “anti- Boeheim tree” stuff that is directly tied to Red, and to a lesser extent, Hop.

If this were 2023 and JB was out- and Gerry was in the dance after turning Siena from 4-26 to winning the MAAC in two years, the GMAC to Cuse train would be sold out.

Timing is everything in life.

 

[phil77]

So, I think there is wayyyy to much “if his name was Joe Smith” we wouldn’t give him a look.

Again, I’m not advocating for Gerry to get the gig. But let’s say this - there is a ton of “anti- Boeheim tree” stuff that is directly tied to Red, and to a lesser extent, Hop.

If this were 2023 and JB was out- and Gerry was in the dance after turning Siena from 4-26 to winning the MAAC in two years, the GMAC to Cuse train would be sold out.

But like before not if his name was Joe Smith right? Winning the MAAC tournament once wouldnt be good enough to get you the Syracuse job if you had no ties to the program. In 2 season he had a losing season and a winning season. He has no regular season conference titles and won a couple games in the conference tournament to get to the dance. Great job winning the tournament nobody can take that away from him but In 2023 with the name Joe Smith he still wouldn’t and shouldn’t be considered.

This isn’t about anti JB stuff at least for me it is about resume, basketball systems on offense and defense, ability to raise money and recruit, and overall personality/attitude.

Only reason his name come up is for emotional reasons

 

[Cappy3]

So, I think there is wayyyy to much “if his name was Joe Smith” we wouldn’t give him a look.

Again, I’m not advocating for Gerry to get the gig. But let’s say this - there is a ton of “anti- Boeheim tree” stuff that is directly tied to Red, and to a lesser extent, Hop.

If this were 2023 and JB was out- and Gerry was in the dance after turning Siena from 4-26 to winning the MAAC in two years, the GMAC to Cuse train would be sold out.

And if my aunt had balls …..

 

[PoppyHart]

So, I think there is wayyyy to much “if his name was Joe Smith” we wouldn’t give him a look.

Again, I’m not advocating for Gerry to get the gig. But let’s say this - there is a ton of “anti- Boeheim tree” stuff that is directly tied to Red, and to a lesser extent, Hop.

If this were 2023 and JB was out- and Gerry was in the dance after turning Siena from 4-26 to winning the MAAC in two years, the GMAC to Cuse train would be sold out.

So you kinda proved the point about Joe Smith.

Find me another coach for a projected 15-16 seed that is drawing high-major interest.

 

[LpoolNative]

Would love to see this thread closed for eternity

 

[Jake]

But like before not if his name was Joe Smith right? Winning the MAAC tournament once wouldnt be good enough to get you the Syracuse job if you had no ties to the program. In 2 season he had a losing season and a winning season. He has no regular season conference titles and won a couple games in the conference tournament to get to the dance. Great job winning the tournament nobody can take that away from him but In 2023 with the name Joe Smith he still wouldn’t and shouldn’t be considered.

This isn’t about anti JB stuff at least for me it is about resume, basketball systems on offense and defense, ability to raise money and recruit, and overall personality/attitude.

Only reason his name come up is for emotional reasons

I think you have to look at this from the Athletic Director’s position. And absolutely hiring the best candidate possible is job #1. And Gerry doesn’t surpass Hodgson, Schertz..etc.

But job #2 is long term stability and success. Any AD has to look at “is the candidate a potential long term solution.” If so, they need a hard look because if you are Syracuse in this new order (or even before), changing coaches every three years is a higher risk likely unsustainable model.

That’s why I’m rooting for Gerry to have great success, because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

 

[Frozen]

because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

Are you saying that you expect BH to get the SU job?

 

[bnoro]

I think you have to look at this from the Athletic Director’s position. And absolutely hiring the best candidate possible is job #1. And Gerry doesn’t surpass Hodgson, Schertz..etc.

But job #2 is long term stability and success. Any AD has to look at “is the candidate a potential long term solution.” If so, they need a hard look because if you are Syracuse in this new order (or even before), changing coaches every three years is a higher risk likely unsustainable model.

That’s why I’m rooting for Gerry to have great success, because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

But what is "long term" in college sports anymore? Is it 5 years? Is it 10?

How likely is a 20-30 year HC? I'd rather have a guy for 5 strong years than not.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I don't think gmac is getting this gig.imagine a new ad wants to Mike a solid hire here ..gmac stinks and is boring.his winning percentage is barely better than reds ..he would have had a losing season this here if he didn't out spend the rest of the conference by three times ..he's horrible and can't recruit

Well at least we found the Siena fan that had been lurking on these threads waiting.

 

[Cuse1055]

Are you saying that you expect BH to get the SU job? you saying that

I gave Jake’s thumbs up a thumbs up if that’s possible.

 

[Jake]

Are you saying that you expect BH to get the SU job?

Yep. He’s the best fit by far. If he isn’t the next coach, the Lally Foundation ”is going to be scrubbing its “X” account for weeks.

 

[BomberOrange]

I think you have to look at this from the Athletic Director’s position. And absolutely hiring the best candidate possible is job #1. And Gerry doesn’t surpass Hodgson, Schertz..etc.

But job #2 is long term stability and success. Any AD has to look at “is the candidate a potential long term solution.” If so, they need a hard look because if you are Syracuse in this new order (or even before), changing coaches every three years is a higher risk likely unsustainable model.

That’s why I’m rooting for Gerry to have great success, because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

I just don’t see where BH would go if he has success here. KU? UNC? UK? Indiana? Dook? UConn?

 

[Frozen]

Yep. He’s the best fit by far. If he isn’t the next coach, the Lally Foundation ”is going to be scrubbing its “X” account for weeks.

 

[Jake]

But what is "long term" in college sports anymore? Is it 5 years? Is it 10?

How likely is a 20-30 year HC? I'd rather have a guy for 5 strong years than not.

Long enough to have sustained excellence and success, and not use it as a three year Lab to get to the next job.

 

[Cuse1055]

Yep. He’s the best fit by far. If he isn’t the next coach, the Lally Foundation ”is going to be scrubbing its “X” account for weeks.

I will pop a big bag of popcorn with extra butter for the Providence fans’ reactions if this becomes official lol.

 

[Bayside44]

Long enough to have sustained excellence and success, and not use it as a three year Lab to get to the next job.

Yeah - this isn't an NBA gig, where they all scatter when the season ends. BH is from the area, assume family, friends, some level of automatic buy in, the comfort of Blue Lights at every turn. These guys have to live here year round and like it. Its a solid part of the appeal (same with Gerry).

 

[RedtheGOB]

I think you have to look at this from the Athletic Director’s position. And absolutely hiring the best candidate possible is job #1. And Gerry doesn’t surpass Hodgson, Schertz..etc.

But job #2 is long term stability and success. Any AD has to look at “is the candidate a potential long term solution.” If so, they need a hard look because if you are Syracuse in this new order (or even before), changing coaches every three years is a higher risk likely unsustainable model.

That’s why I’m rooting for Gerry to have great success, because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

If I read the point correctly I agree that there’s something to be said for the big picture and him being the long term unifying force in the program. When he has the coaching chops to go along with what he did on the court there is nothing that is gonna stop this guy.

Basically He’s earned his spurs many times over as a player on the court but he has yet to do that as a coach on the sideline imo. I want to see what he does when he really gets punched in the face on the court by a top seed in the tourney. We know what would happen if he could lace up and get out there but this go round he’s gonna have to do it with the clipboard. And for the record I’m not talking about beating a 1 seed it’s about how he handles the whole thing. And really that goes for a lot of the candidates we may be looking at.

 

[RF2044]

So, I think there is wayyyy to much “if his name was Joe Smith” we wouldn’t give him a look.

Again, I’m not advocating for Gerry to get the gig. But let’s say this - there is a ton of “anti- Boeheim tree” stuff that is directly tied to Red, and to a lesser extent, Hop.

If this were 2023 and JB was out- and Gerry was in the dance after turning Siena from 4-26 to winning the MAAC in two years, the GMAC to Cuse train would be sold out.

I don't agree.

But hypothetically, if Gerry were coming off this season at Siena, and Red was an AC, and it came down to the two of them in 2023 -- maybe.

The frustration comes from: why would it only be them as candidates? The last hire was botched in no small part by dysfunction, politics, and croneyism. We're seeing similar dysfunction play out now, only with BOTH the AD and head coaching search.

Fans are tired of this baloney.

Howzabout instead of crossing our fingers with potentially unsuitable candidates, we just hire the best guy we can?

The university has themselves to thank for subjecting fans to three years of hot garbage, with easily the worst P4 coach. At some point, all of the dysfunction is either going to ruin the program long-term, or needs to be put in check. Its time for the adults to regain control, and stop letting inmates run the asylum.

Because guess what? If Gerry is hired, and the turnaround isn't immediate, he'll have an even shorter allocation of patience from the fanbase than Red did. And Red lost a significant portion of confidence during year 2. Fans are voting with their wallets -- so if the powers that be decide to bring in another roll of the dice candidate, you reap what you sow.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Jim was awkwardly so. I tell the story to everyone but at the 96 elite 8, boeheim didn’t even turn to say hi in an elevator to the buses to the arena. Personality of a snail to anyone below him. This is 1 of 100 interactions. I’m sure cto will say otherwise but she’s a booster and important.

When we got to McNichol, we ran into Roy Williams. He slapped me on the back and said “can’t wait for this game! What a day!” A real nice authentic guy.

No idea why I wanted to present this other than to say boeheim had a negative personality. Gerry is cocky and probably
Carries himself much better than Ichabod Boeheim.

He was paid to win and he did with reduced pay while doing above and beyond charitable work. Sorry if your feelings were hurt.

 

[Sbucketball]

Long enough to have sustained excellence and success, and not use it as a three year Lab to get to the next job.

If Hodgson wins at SU and SU offers decent future contracts, albeit not top tier, you don't think Hodgson would stick around long term? Seems like he might IF leadership has it together with fair coach comp and nil support.

 

[phil77]

I think you have to look at this from the Athletic Director’s position. And absolutely hiring the best candidate possible is job #1. And Gerry doesn’t surpass Hodgson, Schertz..etc.

But job #2 is long term stability and success. Any AD has to look at “is the candidate a potential long term solution.” If so, they need a hard look because if you are Syracuse in this new order (or even before), changing coaches every three years is a higher risk likely unsustainable model.

That’s why I’m rooting for Gerry to have great success, because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

If you are winning and winning big at Syracuse there are only a few places that would be an upgrade.

 

[AlaskaSU]

If I read the point correctly I agree that there’s something to be said for the big picture and him being the long term unifying force in the program. When he has the coaching chops to go along with what he did on the court there is nothing that is gonna stop this guy.

Basically He’s earned his spurs many times over as a player on the court but he has yet to do that as a coach on the sideline imo. I want to see what he does when he really gets punched in the face on the court by a top seed in the tourney. We know what would happen if he could lace up and get out there but this go round he’s gonna have to do it with the clipboard. And for the record I’m not talking about beating a 1 seed it’s about how he handles the whole thing. And really that goes for a lot of the candidates we may be looking at.

I don't recall JB having any HC experience. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Starman]

If Bryan and Gerry had switched resumes, everyone would want Gerry over Bryan. That means something.

 

[MGP]

I think you have to look at this from the Athletic Director’s position. And absolutely hiring the best candidate possible is job #1. And Gerry doesn’t surpass Hodgson, Schertz..etc.

But job #2 is long term stability and success. Any AD has to look at “is the candidate a potential long term solution.” If so, they need a hard look because if you are Syracuse in this new order (or even before), changing coaches every three years is a higher risk likely unsustainable model.

That’s why I’m rooting for Gerry to have great success, because I don’t see Hodgson as a forever guy (maybe he is), I think GMAC might be when his time comes..,,

Exactly, so all of those factors count - and he IS G-Mac, not Joe Smith. It must be part of the equation, so those arguments ("if he were Joe Smith") are pointless. That being said, I'm still pro Hodgson - he is the best candidate IMO...