Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[IthacaMatt]

Correct! Everything at Syracuse was Gerry’s fault before it was JB’s.

Did you ever listen to his morning radio spot on game days?
He was awful.

 

[dasher]

So Gerry should turn down Boston College to stay at Siena? Ok.

Gary Williams, Jimmy O'Brien and Al did fine in the past 40 years there. It's a graveyard w a bad coach...kinda like Syracuse right now.

Things are different right now. B.C is a horrible job. You will notice that gary and Jimmy looked to get out as soon as they could even back then. And Al was looking to leave as well and that is the main reason the moron AD fired him. They just don't have the money to compete.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Wins matter most. Thats not debatable. If you’re an ass but you win, people will want to play for you and the media will go easy on you.

Colleges are much different now than when Bobby Knight was the best coach in the country.
Somebody with an abrasive personality is not going to last as long in the current (snowflake) environment.

 

[Blanko97]

Colleges are much different now than when Bobby Knight was the best coach in the country.
Somebody with an abrasive personality is not going to last as long in the current (snowflake) environment.

Perhaps, but I’ll always fall on the side of wins over anything else. We don’t pay millions to people because they’re nice

 

[IthacaMatt]

Perhaps, but I’ll always fall on the side of wins over anything else. We don’t pay millions to people because they’re nice

Modern coaches are generally not jerks. Popovich was tough, but treated them like men, respectfully. Steve Kerr - sure he has an all-time great player, but he is an outstanding "man manager" as a coach. Phil Jackson kind of started the modern trend of coaching.

 

[CuseFan]

side question: what is Mike Hopkins doing now? Is he coaching another team?

 

[MSOrange]

side question: what is Mike Hopkins doing now? Is he coaching another team?

 

[Starman]

Jim was awkwardly so. I tell the story to everyone but at the 96 elite 8, boeheim didn’t even turn to say hi in an elevator to the buses to the arena. Personality of a snail to anyone below him. This is 1 of 100 interactions. I’m sure cto will say otherwise but she’s a booster and important.

When we got to McNichol, we ran into Roy Williams. He slapped me on the back and said “can’t wait for this game! What a day!” A real nice authentic guy.

No idea why I wanted to present this other than to say boeheim had a negative personality. Gerry is cocky and probably
Carries himself much better than Ichabod Boeheim.

My grandpa's cousin ran the tunnel to the dome (not sure how long, but I think over 2 decades). His wife HATED Boeheim.

 

[baggerbob]

And you notice the recruiting went backwards after he left.

 

[IthacaMatt]

And you notice the recruiting went backwards after he left.

Hop phoned it in his final year, when he learned that Boeheim wasn't leaving.
All those players he had built relationships with followed him out to Washington, where he was Coach of the Year in his 1st 2 seasons.

 

[Newhouser]

He stunk at Washington.

 

[IthacaMatt]

He stunk at Washington.

No, he was good for the first couple years, and then he couldn't develop a pipeline on the west coast.

 

[elimunelson]

Things are different right now. B.C is a horrible job. You will notice that gary and Jimmy looked to get out as soon as they could even back then. And Al was looking to leave as well and that is the main reason the moron AD fired him. They just don't have the money to compete.

O’Brien left because they had actual academic requirements and he couldn’t keep penn, Bradley in the big class he had post the elite 8 run.

You are conflating what i’m saying. It’s not a Syracuse level job. But it’ll pay more than Siena and it’s a real table setting gig if he wants to go to a premier program. And you can win there, not at SU level, but at a “we made the ncaas” way.

 

[Newhouser]

No, he was good for the first couple years, and then he couldn't develop a pipeline on the west coast.

62-72 in the Pac over 7 years with 1 NCAA tournament appearance which came in year 2. If he was a former UCONN assistant nobody would be calling that good.

 

[dasher]

O’Brien left because they had actual academic requirements and he couldn’t keep penn, Bradley in the big class he had post the elite 8 run.

You are conflating what i’m saying. It’s not a Syracuse level job. But it’ll pay more than Siena and it’s a real table setting gig if he wants to go to a premier program. And you can win there, not at SU level, but at a “we made the ncaas” way.

Had a lot to do with herron as well. Yes, B.C. will pay more than Siena and is a higher ranked job. But I don't believe that you can get the job done there at this time. The school just doesn't care enough. Because of the Nil era and what other schools are willing to do, I would advice any coach to pass on it.

 

[powdersmack]

Hear me out. Gerry knows how to be a coach. He has proven his chops at Siena. In two years he has taken them from a 4 win season to a winning season with a team that might make the tourney. He should have been chosen over Red but politics forced him out. As far as I know, he went graciously and left the town that he and his family truly loved.

I know many here think we should get some kind of established coach from a major program. But taking a coach from a mid-major, one who is hungry and has the coaching chops, has proven to be quite successful in college basketball. Or even football. Look at Indiana!

Gerry is an outstanding person who is uniquely qualified to be the head of our faltering program. He inspires loyalty and confidence. He bleeds Orange. He is beloved. And I believe he has what it takes to lead our program back to real gosh-darned good-ness, if not greatness. Let’s go, Orange!

Happy New Year.

 

[MSOrange]

Had a lot to do with herron as well. Yes, B.C. will pay more than Siena and is a higher ranked job. But I don't believe that you can get the job done there at this time. The school just doesn't care enough. Because of the Nil era and what other schools are willing to do, I would advice any coach to pass on it.

Agree. The NIL era is totally different than when Williams, O'Brien and Skinner won there. Just like how much money coaches will have for assistants is a key factor, NIL is just as important, if not more. Any coach that takes that job would be smart to make sure the boosters will provide the NIL money before signing the contract.

 

[bballbeadle]

Well, this has been a fun thread, hasn’t it?

I want to reassure all the people who like me that I am not one bit devastated by disagreement. A friend dared me to post this and so I did, knowing most of you would say “WHAT TH??” I was interested in your responses and laughed out loud at several. I am not a basketball expert. That is clear. But I am a huge bball fan and I am so sad that it seems like this year will be a bust. I feel for Red, but he does have to go. I hope the next coach we get will stay with us for 20 years, not 4 or 5.

I love you guys.

 

[FrancoPizza]

He could be the biggest dick in the world. If you win, I don’t think people care about personality. Not saying he is a good candidate but people put way too much stock into the good guy schtick, reds a great guy and he has no business on the sideline

The other down side of being a nice guy is that when you don’t win every poster has to start their message with “He’s a great guy god bless him… and I feel for him… BUT”

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Well, this has been a fun thread, hasn’t it?

I want to reassure all the people who like me that I am not one bit devastated by disagreement. A friend dared me to post this and so I did, knowing most of you would say “WHAT TH??” I was interested in your responses and laughed out loud at several. I am not a basketball expert. That is clear. But I am a huge bball fan and I am so sad that it seems like this year will be a bust. I feel for Red, but he does have to go. I hope the next coach we get will stay with us for 20 years, not 4 or 5.

I love you guys.

Next time, just stick your tongue to a flagpole.

 

[IthacaMatt]

62-72 in the Pac over 7 years with 1 NCAA tournament appearance which came in year 2. If he was a former UCONN assistant nobody would be calling that good.

He was 48-22 in his first 2 years, made the NIT year one, and NCAA year two. He had 4 players drafted.
He lost Quade Green to injury and collapsed to a 5-21 season, and was then basically a .500 coach after that before he was let go. Once his first group of guys moved on, he couldn't get the same level of talent to replace them, because that's not where his connections were - they were mostly on the East Coast.

 

[Cusefan0307]

He was 48-22 in his first 2 years, made the NIT year one, and NCAA year two. He had 4 players drafted.
He lost Quade Green to injury and collapsed to a 5-21 season, and was then basically a .500 coach after that before he was let go. Once his first group of guys moved on, he couldn't get the same level of talent to replace them, because that's not where his connections were - they were mostly on the East Coast.

Very much like Red he could not coach offense at all. Amongst the worst shooting teams in the power conferences his entire time there.

 

[Starman]

He was 48-22 in his first 2 years, made the NIT year one, and NCAA year two. He had 4 players drafted.
He lost Quade Green to injury and collapsed to a 5-21 season, and was then basically a .500 coach after that before he was let go. Once his first group of guys moved on, he couldn't get the same level of talent to replace them, because that's not where his connections were - they were mostly on the East Coast.

The PAC 12 was almost a mid major those years. Something like 2-3 teams in rhe ncaa per year. Wesker than the acc last year.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Very much like Red he could not coach offense at all. Amongst the worst shooting teams in the power conferences his entire time there.

Well, the stats say they were around 120th nationally in offense, so they weren't great, but I think it was their defense that was worse. The 2-3 zone hasn't aged well in an era when everyone can seem to make the three.

I would trade Red's first two years for Mike's in a heartbeat. Mike averaged 24 wins his first two years. That would have gotten us into the tournament.

 

[Scooch]

And you can win there, not at SU level, but at a “we made the ncaas” way.

Not to keep harping on this, but can you win there? BC hasn't made the tourney since 2009! 16 years.

Unless there's a well-heeled booster that hasn't committed to funding the hoops program as of yet, I don't see how they'd ever assemble a good roster and good staff with the way they penny-pinch athletics at BC.