Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[Irishsecra1]

Well they couldnt hire GMAC now because he made the NCAAT.
USF could very well flame out in their conference tournament and not even make it making BH available sooner.

I will say this.

BH will not last long here. If he is successful, he will leave for the next higher tier program with a lot of money. Maybe, maybe he stays 2 to 3 years and then moves on. He feels no loyalty to this program.
He will be our Doug Marrone.

They could go after Gerry again at that point. But he will have most likely moved on to a rival program somewhere in the north east most likely.

 

[jncuse]

Top 25 defense? No. When you look at adjusted defensive efficiency on KenPom, Siena ranks 175th in the country. They might be top 25 in raw stats, but that doesn’t factor in level of competition or pace of play.

They are certainly not a top 25 defence. SOS adjusted may also be unfair to view it, as no MAAC team is going to do great in that either.

But I think a fair statistic, is that in terms of KP defensive efficiency, Siena is only ranked #5 in the MAAC. Tempo is certainly helping their raw stats.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I already explained weeks ago about my respect and admiration for Gerry being from the same area and knowing the family. It would be such a great thing to see him here some day. That said BH vs GM is not the same thing. BH was a top assistant next to Oats as they elevated UB to some of its best ever years in history and then establishment of Alabama as now a basketball power.

Gerry sat a couple seats down from Hop and Red as an assistant at just one place and then once Hop left the SU slide began ( with help from JB not retiring sooner). After Hop left this program has been a mess. Neither Red or Gerry did anything notable when having a bigger role.

So comparing their history it’s not the same as it pertains to what they have done in the top assistant chair not just as a new HC for a couple years.

On the other side we have no idea what kind of fundraising and recruiting he brings to the table with being charged with this program or the assistant coaching connections. BH has a top assistant already being mentioned for possible smaller HC gigs - is that the same for Gerry?

I know how badly people want someone who is a winner and bleeds orange to run this program but can we just for a moment realize that the pressure to win right away will be even bigger than it was for Red? Do we really want that for Gerry ? He is not yet his own brand of basketball and he’s still just an SU legend who went away for a couple years and would be back as we become maybe on of the only examples to give a continuity hire 3 years removed a shot after one failed. Give the man a chance to build his reputation, bring in Hodgson and if BH does well but decides to take on a lottery ticket offer after improving us and Gerry is humming somewhere else- make that the time for the reunion where Gerry is here for 15-20 years as a winner at SU. The Roy Williams approach is much better.

It was hard enough watching that Red presser last night. Give Gerry time to build an offensive identity with his coaching to go with the defense where it is not so reliant on a unique talent like Doty who you aren’t finding a replacement for every year even at a higher level.

All very fair, very reasoned, very well-thought out and articulated points.

On paper, Hodgson is the better candidate right now. But he is hardly proven and is still a risk. And if he is successful here, a crapshoot as to whether he stays or turns us into Xavier.

GMAC is the lesser candidate on paper, right now. He is also unproven and a higher risk. But, if he would be successful here, you could have strong continuity here for the next 2+ decades.

It really depends, I think, on which criteria are most important to you.

 

[gocuse44]

The defensive performance alone last night gets my orange blood boiling babyyy.. Bring the pride of Scranton home

yikes... you cannot be a candidate if you ever worked for jb

 

[LAorange44]

This statement could be applied to Gmac as well

That’s my point. They are both high risk hires. You have to evaluate the man and his plan for the job.

 

[MSOrange]

The honest analysis is that Baby Shark is less proven than GMac. Gerry helped lead Syracuse to it's only national championship. Now he's a conference champion as a head coach. What has Baby Shark ever won besides the love of silly children? College sports are emotional but I'm required to ignore that? That's nonsense. Gerry is a winner and a leader.

So now we're including that GMac led us to a championship on his COACHING resume? Ok let's just have GMac and Hodgson play a game of 1-1 and the winner gets the job with that logic. Even Michael doesn't get that!

 

[orange79]

I don’t understand why so many of you want to disassociate the basketball program from Jim Boeheim. Many programs hire legacy coaches and are quite successful doing it. One of the greatest coaches in college basketball history but his last few years here have made too many people salty. Gerry is a winner, a Syracuse legend, and now, a pretty good conference champion coach. But, no, let’s hire an unproven guy they call Baby Shark that has zero connection to Syracuse. Baby Shark. It’s absurd. Make it make sense outside of holding petty grudges. As a fanbase, the entitled behavior is ridiculous.

^ ^ ^ Jimmy Boeheim burner account ^ ^ ^

Oh, and by the way, there is only one person here calling him Baby Shark. There is no 'they'. And it's tedious. But you go ahead and build your straw man.

There is no 'disassociating' going on. It's a desire to move in a different direction. No one is advocating taking his name off the court or scrubbing his record from the books. Sheesh.

As members of the fanbase that think we MUST hire someone with Syracuse ties or the sky will fall, your entitled behavior is ridiculous.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Ehhh. There's a lot more to sell with Hodgson. He has a very specific plan backed up with data that was detailed on Syracuse.com this week. With Gerry you're getting "play hard" elite defense which should be the minimum and JB's offensive philosophy. It's the 2nd part that not many here want a part of. It's the definition of insanity.

I don’t disagree with you, bottom line is whomever Cuse hires for head coach will be high risk. The last 7 seasons have put the program on life support.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yeah, definitely a fair point. Much higher RPI and Net.

If you think that that one season of success at South Florida means that there is a higher probability that Hodgson will have success at a p4 school compared to GMAC, I can understand that line of thinking.

As an AC BH has more experience with program building and improvement than Gerry too at his stops with UB and Alabama. He wasn’t coaching at factories he was a key part of two successful program builds and taking those programs to new levels. That in itself is unique when you compare them. He also has both an offensive and defensive identity with his teams of which we haven’t seen with Gerry quite yet with reliance so heavily on Doty.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Mick Cronin and Bob Huggins are proven coaches.

GMAC and Baby Shark are both high risk, high upside hires based on potential. Either one could be the next Porter Moser, who was the splashy mid major hire everyone wanted 5 years ago and is now being FIRED like red.


But I’d bet on GMAC before just about anybody if I am making a high risk bet

how many thousand messages have you sent about hiring Hopkins over the last 2 weeks. Now after 1 game last night how many thousand more messages will you send about hiring GMac.

Do you see the ridiculousness of changing your opinion on a coach after 1 game right? We're already an unserious hoops program that botched a national search 3 years ago and now the same fools just want to hire a coach on vibes without a national search again.

Why not hire Speedy at Hofstra or any midmajor coach that punches a ticket winning their conference tourney?

 

[LAorange44]

So now we're including that GMac led us to a championship on his COACHING resume? Ok let's just have GMac and Hodgson play a game of 1-1 and the winner gets the job with that logic. Even Michael doesn't get that!

Unlike GMAC, BH has never been a part of championship level basketball. He is a lightweight and a charlatan! A virgin masquerading as a great lover!

 

[Irishsecra1]

Whoever they hire, be it BH, Schertz or GMAC, lets get it done fairly quickly.
Obviously, availability will depend on their teams NCAAT run or involvement.
And please let Red go now - lets not drag this out any longer.

 

[JrodCuse]

This is the AAC. A conference full of fairly large schools that would all do essentially anything to be in a p4 conference. USF #1, 9 wins in a row. Even with an early tourney loss they’re all but a lock for the NCAAT.

This is the MAAC. None of these teams could even handle the requirements to move up to P4. From a sports and athletic department perspective, this is much closer to D2 than it is high level D1.

Gerry needs to take a step up to a AAC level of team and prove this isn’t a fluke. If he can go 23-11 at a school like Tulane or Eastern Carolina then we would know he’s the real deal.

Hodgson is the safer choice right now because he has taken that step up and is crushing it on so many levels. If for some reason things don’t work out with Hodgson then in 2-3 years we can bring Gmac in when he has a bit more of a resume.

Yes there’s only 1 year of HC’ing between Gmac and Hodgson but that year is everything.

 

[LAorange44]

how many thousand messages have you sent about hiring Hopkins over the last 2 weeks. Now after 1 game last night how many thousand more messages will you send about hiring GMac.

Do you see the ridiculousness of changing your opinion on a coach after 1 game right? We're already an unserious hoops program that botched a national search 3 years ago and now the same fools just want to hire a coach on vibes without a national search again.

Why not hire Speedy at Hofstra or any midmajor coach that punches a ticket winning their conference tourney?

Nothing you said refutes my central point that Baby Shark Hodgson aka BS Hodgson the charlatan is a high risk hire. We can disagree on his coaching abilities without being disagreeable.

 

[sufan59]

The GMAC drug has wore off this morning. Hey it could be interesting if they draw and upset UConn next week. But until then it’s got to be Bryan Hodgson. GMAC could very well be the next guy the next time. But don’t let people try to play with your emotions on GMAC. Hodgson is the guy and qualified for this job! Perhaps things would’ve been different if Boeheim made more of an effort to get GMAC prepared for the job like Duke did with Scheyer even though they had more senior family options.

 

[GoCuse14]

Bryan Baby Shark Hodgson aka The Goofball aka The Guppy aka The Gupster is a lightweight, a charlatan, and a nobody. There are a few people here enamored with Baby Shark and they may or may not be on the payroll of a certain sugar daddy. But to the casual fanbase, Baby Shark is a non entity

Dang it, I thought that I put the bitter ex on ignore.

 

[oldpinepoint]

That’s my point. They are both high risk hires. You have to evaluate the man and his plan for the job.

You do and also their experience, I don’t care who gets the job truthfully, but I think direction away from what we have seen is a smart move

 

[RedtheGOB]

Nothing you said refutes my central point that Baby Shark Hodgson aka BS Hodgson the charlatan is a high risk hire. We can disagree on his coaching abilities without being disagreeable.

So to be clear you are Team GMac now and Hopkins is off your board after last night? Or is your plan to have Gmac be HC and Hop to be assistant coach?

 

[djorange1989]

Nothing you said refutes my central point that Baby Shark Hodgson aka BS Hodgson the charlatan is a high risk hire. We can disagree on his coaching abilities without being disagreeable.

Your presence on this board is disagreeable

 

[LAorange44]

So to be clear you are Team GMac now and Hopkins is off your board after last night? Or is your plan to have Gmac be HC and Hop to be assistant coach?

I’m team don’t hire BS Hodgson the charlatan

 

[Irishsecra1]

Nothing you said refutes my central point that Baby Shark Hodgson aka BS Hodgson the charlatan is a high risk hire. We can disagree on his coaching abilities without being disagreeable.

I love Gerry and nothing would make me happier than hiring him.

But calling BH a charlatan and a lightweight is just not fair.
Calling him names is flat out childish.

We can all debate this - that is what this board is for - but there is no reason to be petty.

 

[pearl31]

welp guess it's finally time to put the goofy Hop poster and the ad nauseum GMAC poster both on mute

 

[Brooky03]

It almost like you want to ignore that I addressed that directly by pointing out the staff - the people reporting to the “new” people - have been here and were part of the problem. If “culture” is the people working there, and almost all the people working there have not changed - why would the culture get better? Just magically because we hired a new AD - he can come in, wave a magic wand, and everyone will suddenly get along? Or - here’s a crazy thought - he provides leadership and direction which allows the culture to change over time. Part of that leadership is not giving in to the pressure to hire a guy who has the potential to ossify the culture just by his presence. Which is possible since hiring Gerry absolutely gives those people the opportunity to carry on old feuds, because of his ties to JB. (If you don’t think people who had beef with JB won’t carry that over to Gerry, I question how much experience observing the behavior of actual humans you have).

People have an irrational love for McNamara which is making them actively ignore what a spectacularly bad decision hiring him would be - both for Syracuse and him. The more this discussion goes on, the more I’m trending in the opposite direction - now I think there is no other candidate for the head coach of basketball at Syracuse who would be a worse hire than Gerry McNamara.

Who are ‘the people reporting to the new people?’ Admin staff does not matter at all.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Do we need new eyes from an outsider???? If we agree that we had tourney level talent and NIL in the top half, wasn’t the problem coaching and execution, not systemic flaws?

Yes, yes we do.
Yes, yes it was but it was also that and its time to broaden the search.
Let me ask you this, who do you think is in consideration for more outside jobs?
If you listen to Field of 68, they mention Hodgson. They dont mention Gerry, at least not yet, which that could change.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Attention Gerry Haters and Baby Shark Lovers:


Didn’t Fran McCaffery make the jump from Siena to Iowa??? How many of his Iowa teams made the big dance after coaching at lil ole Siena???)

Good call, Fran did allright at Iowa. Made some tourneys.