Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[Marroniac]

Hey kiddo - way to not address the issues people have with hiring McNamara.

Can we please drop the “people just want change for change’s sake” attempt at narrative spin? Because it’s a strawman and complete bullcrap. And the folks trying to sell it are doing so because the case for Gerry is weak and against is strong.

if you favor someone else instead of him, that is fair,

if you think he shouldn’t be considered at all because of previous ties to the program, I don’t agree with that logic. And that is a common narrative.

 

[Cuse4403]

if you favor someone else instead of him, that is fair,

if you think he shouldn’t be considered at all because of previous ties to the program, I don’t agree with that logic. And that is a common narrative.

If his name was Gerry Smith and he played his college basketball at Utah Valley State no one here would even think of him as a possible candidate at Syracuse.

 

[Cusefan95]

if you favor someone else instead of him, that is fair,

if you think he shouldn’t be considered at all because of previous ties to the program, I don’t agree with that logic. And that is a common narrative.

Again with the Motte & Bailey nonsense! It’s endless with Gerry fans.

The issue IS NOT that he shouldn’t be considered because of previous ties with the program. The issue is there is no way in hell he would be considered if he didn’t have ties to the program. And “ties to the program” is a really bad reason to elevate someone from irrelevant in a job search to legitimate candidate. You’re misrepresenting the “common narrative” to make it look weaker than it is. Stop it, kiddo.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I like GMAC just not as our next coach. I’ve watched a lot of his games and his offense is Doty and little else in big moments. At Syracuse he’s never going to have the best player on the floor. I haven’t seen his ability to scheme on offense to get people wide open looks. I just see Doty going one on five. He has good talent for his conference, but can he get top talent at SU? I doubt it. Unless SU’s NIL budget gets closer to $12 million I doubt he will win. The one thing I keep going back to is Hodgson is a great recruiter. I see the portal becoming a little less of a factor if the rule changes so that players can only transfer one time. I think it’s closer than people think. I will not be surprised if we see someone that might surprise us as our next coach and that scares the hell out of me.

 

[xc84]

Again with the Motte & Bailey nonsense! It’s endless with Gerry fans.

The issue IS NOT that he shouldn’t be considered because of previous ties with the program. The issue is there is no way in hell he would be considered if he didn’t have ties to the program. And “ties to the program” is a really bad reason to elevate someone from irrelevant in a job search to legitimate candidate. You’re misrepresenting the “common narrative” to make it look weaker than it is. Stop it, kiddo.

He has more than “ties to the program.” He was a 4 year player and assistant coach for 12 years. He knows the school and fans and they know him. That’s more than “ties to the program “

 

[Orangezoo]

I like GMAC just not as our next coach. I’ve watched a lot of his games and his offense is Doty and little else in big moments. At Syracuse he’s never going to have the best player on the floor. I haven’t seen his ability to scheme on offense to get people wide open looks. I just see Doty going one on five. He has good talent for his conference, but can he get top talent at SU? I doubt it. Unless SU’s NIL budget gets closer to $12 million I doubt he will win. The one thing I keep going back to is Hodgson is a great recruiter. I see the portal becoming a little less of a factor if the rule changes so that players can only transfer one time. I think it’s closer than people think. I will not be surprised if we see someone that might surprise us as our next coach and that scares the hell out of me.

It’s hard not to read the obvious signs on the tea leaves all point to BH. Even that interview when he spoke fondly of Red.

 

[benjams77]

Again with the Motte & Bailey nonsense! It’s endless with Gerry fans.

The issue IS NOT that he shouldn’t be considered because of previous ties with the program. The issue is there is no way in hell he would be considered if he didn’t have ties to the program. And “ties to the program” is a really bad reason to elevate someone from irrelevant in a job search to legitimate candidate. You’re misrepresenting the “common narrative” to make it look weaker than it is. Stop it, kiddo.

Your kidding right.. It’s about overall fit .. Sure a former player with success who is a winner is going to be tied to the job and seen as a amazing fit … Most people are tying CBH to the job because he is a NYer .. Otherwise he may not be on the radar this early in his career .. there are other successful coaches who this board doesn’t infatuate over cause they don’t fit, like J. Calhoun and Casey Alexander

 

[Marroniac]

Again with the Motte & Bailey nonsense! It’s endless with Gerry fans.

The issue IS NOT that he shouldn’t be considered because of previous ties with the program. The issue is there is no way in hell he would be considered if he didn’t have ties to the program. And “ties to the program” is a really bad reason to elevate someone from irrelevant in a job search to legitimate candidate. You’re misrepresenting the “common narrative” to make it look weaker than it is. Stop it, kiddo.

Then why are BC and Georgia Tech considering him?

 

[Marsh01]

Then why are BC and Georgia Tech considering him?

because they are desperate and hoping that the stuff they fling at the wall sticks. He's the hot new fresh face.

 

[Orangezoo]

Your kidding right.. It’s about overall fit .. Sure a former player with success who is a winner is going to be tied to the job and seen as a amazing fit … Most people are tying CBH to the job because he is a NYer .. Otherwise he may not be on the radar this early in his career .. there are other successful coaches who this board doesn’t infatuate over cause they don’t fit, like J. Calhoun and Casey Alexander

BH was on the radar here before he went to USF when he was humming with an Ark St program that hadn’t been relevant for a post season berth in almost 30 years. Look it it up- there were posts going around back then on here and he was being noticed by the talking heads as well some.

 

[Marroniac]

Then why are BC and Georgia Tech considering him?

because they are desperate and hoping that the stuff they fling at the wall sticks. He's the hot new fresh face.

I was responding to this statement “The issue is there is no way in hell he would be considered if he didn’t have ties to the program.”

That’s objectively untrue.

I’m not saying Gerry should be our #1 choice. I’m advocating for him being a viable candidate. We could do much worse (and have).

 

[Cusefan0307]

Baldwinsville HS is a better job than BC.

 

[SuFTW]

He can have any opinion he wants. But claiming that’s what I’m objecting to is a Motte and Bailey fallacy. You’re intentionally conflating a controversial, hard-to-defend claim (Boeheim can express his opinion to anyone at any time and it’s always OK to do so). with a similar, easy-to-defend, or common-sense claim (Boeheim is entitled to an opinion).

He could have taken his opinion to the new incoming leadership and expressed it to them privately and behind closed doors. That would have been an acceptable and maybe even commendable approach. Instead he chose to express his opinion publicly in order to try to create pressure from fans in the new leadership. That is unprofessional and slimy, so I understand why you don’t want to defend the actual issue. Someone commented that he’s got strained relations with the administration at Syracuse - doing things this way a big part of why that is likely true.

What’s bizarre to me is it’s such a bad idea as well - if I’m just coming in, the last thing I’m going to do is give in to pressure from a former head coach because he’ll know he can just run to the media to get what he wants. Considering he left the program in turmoil after a decade of mediocrity - and still needed to be shoved out the door - I’d be very concerned he’s more interested in his own personal agenda to the detriment of the program. I’d absolutely listen to him if he came to my office, and it might carry some weight. This approach would carry weight - it’s just that I wouldn’t hire Gerry now under any circumstances.

I am quoting exactly what you said. If it’s a hard to defend claim then maybe it’s because it’s incorrect and you shouldn’t have said it. You are conflating my objection to your specific statement with other Gmac issues.

 

[Teddy19]

Pretty bad typo on my part! Lol

 

[Cusefan95]

He has more than “ties to the program.” He was a 4 year player and assistant coach for 12 years. He knows the school and fans and they know him. That’s more than “ties to the program “

Awesome. I don’t care, because it doesn’t refute what I was saying. It’s basically “He doesn’t just have ties to the program! He has really, really close ties!”

Fine. “Really, really close ties to the program” is just as awful a reason to elevate someone to being a coaching candidate who wouldn’t be otherwise as “close ties”.

It’s just endless bullcrap with you Gerry nutcases. This is like trying to explain to your 17 year old daughter why the drug addict musician isn’t a great life choice and just hearing “but I love him!!!” back. You’ve staked out an irrational, emotional position and are going to die on that hill, no matter how absurd it gets.

If you want to argue why “really, really close ties” is a world of difference from “close ties” - knock yourself out. You’re not going to convince me, but I expect the attempt will be hilarious nonsense. I’m willing to be entertained.

 

[WoadBlue]

if you favor someone else instead of him, that is fair,

if you think he shouldn’t be considered at all because of previous ties to the program, I don’t agree with that logic. And that is a common narrative.

There is a logical argument that if a staff was really struggling, it is not wise to make someone from that staff the next HC. And for many, the failure of Autry elevated to HC is the final proof that GMac should not even be on a short list.

But there is a big difference between Autry when hired as HC and GMac today: Autry had been nothing but Boeheim's former player on his staff, so Autry had done nothing but be part of a failing staff. GMac has now been HC elsewhere for 2 seasons. He did not take over the Giant of the league and keep winning. He stool over a flailing program and in Year 2 has gotten it into the NCAA. So, Autry had no experience elsewhere or as HC, and Max now has HC experience in taking a Loser and within 2 yers getting it to the NCAA. That experience matters.

 

[Orangezoo]

Baldwinsville HS is a better job than BC.

If Gerry went to BC you could legitimately have home games with a bunch of people in GMac Cuse jerseys… for games not against SU..

 

[CooperCuse]

The amount of disrespect given to Gerry McNamara in this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Gotothehole]

There is a logical argument that if a staff was really struggling, it is not wise to make someone from that staff the next HC. And for many, the failure of Autry elevated to HC is the final proof that GMac should not even be on a short list.

But there is a big difference between Autry when hired as HC and GMac today: Autry had been nothing but Boeheim's former player on his staff, so Autry had done nothing but be part of a failing staff. GMac has now been HC elsewhere for 2 seasons. He did not take over the Giant of the league and keep winning. He stool over a flailing program and in Year 2 has gotten it into the NCAA. So, Autry had no experience elsewhere or as HC, and Max now has HC experience in taking a Loser and within 2 yers getting it to the NCAA. That experience matters.

Can we stop with GMAC talk? He will not get the job. The JB coaching tree is dead let it go

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If his name was Gerry Smith and he played his college basketball at Utah Valley State no one here would even think of him as a possible candidate at Syracuse.

Gave you a like for the deep cut Utah Valley State reference.

 

[Cappy3]

C’mon guys, look closer. Sure, he won 23 games. But 21 of them were Q4, where he was 21-4. Against Q3 2-6, vs Q1 0-1. That read like a record of someone ready to coach SU? Get real.

 

[capeorange]

We either take Gerry now or we don't get him. I good with either.

People thinking that we let him work his way up the food chain and then come to coach here are dreaming. There are too many variables for that to happen such as openings here, buyouts, etc.

Unfortunately, we wasted our 'let's try this unqualified coaching ticket' on Red. In hind sight, Gerry probably would have been the better choice but I think that ship has sailed.

 

[WoadBlue]

Then why are BC and Georgia Tech considering him?

If your program has been losing a lot in recent years, then a coach with ties to your league who is young and energetic and took over a Loser in a smaller league, and got that team into the NCAA T in Year 2 is surely somebody you should look at closely.

BC probably should hire a guy with coaching experience in BE or the A-10 or at Syracuse. GT probably should hire a guy with experience in the South.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I believe both that GMAc has a chance to be one of the most successful branches of the Boeheim coaching tree and that he is the wrong choice for Syracuse men's basketball right now.

 

[WoadBlue]

C’mon guys, look closer. Sure, he won 23 games. But 21 of them were Q4, where he was 21-4. Against Q3 2-6, vs Q1 0-1. That read like a record of someone ready to coach SU? Get real.

You can only win against what you play. When I was on UNC boards after Mack 2.0's 3rd season (6-7) calling for him to be fired and replaced by Curt Cignetti, the opposition reacted as if I were beyond crazy, because Mack had won a National Championship at Texas and Cignetti had won only in D2 and 1 AA (FCS).

And Cignetti in 2 years at IU has produced easily the 2 best teams in school history, the latter a National Champ.

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