Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[Bayside44]

I'm fine with Gerry because he has an NIL guy. Does Hodgson have a billionaire NIL guy or are we going to rely on 'boosters' ? NIL whales are just as important as Players and Coaches. Look at St Johns ... it's not just Pitino, they have a billionaire sitting right behind him at the Garden...

My man!

All roads point to that Hodgson does.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I'm fine with Gerry because he has an NIL guy. Does Hodgson have a billionaire NIL guy or are we going to rely on 'boosters' ? NIL whales are just as important as Players and Coaches. Look at St Johns ... it's not just Pitino, they have a billionaire sitting right behind him at the Garden...

So you believe Gerry will be the coach with the top nil in the league like he was this year?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

He compared Gerry to a drug-addicted musician, did he not? And Gerry's supporters were infatuated schoolgirls. Did you miss that stupidity?

No he actually didn’t you goof. He said it’s like trying to convince a teenage girl who’s in love with a drug addict that she’s wrong.

Further, if you think he equated Gerry and the druggie that means you think he’s calling you a teenaged girl.

 

[Blanko97]

I'm thinking Snyder wasn't all that good at Mizzou and I haven't seen much from Capel or Woj. Who am I missing that is really good. Can't say the current Duke coach. At least not yet, He started at 3rd base, he didn't hit a triple.

K had brey, has scheyer like you said, Snyder was good with the jazz maybe not college, amacker made 4 straight tourneys, Dawkins and woj both made a couple tourneys. I’m not saying they’re all national champs but not exactly the bottom of the barrel there. A few sweet sixteens, and elite eights to top it off if you ignore scheyer

 

[CooperCuse]

No he actually didn’t you goof. He said it’s like trying to convince a teenage girl who’s in love with a drug addict that she’s wrong.

Further, if you think he equated Gerry and the druggie that means you think he’s calling you a teenaged girl.

Oh, I get what he was saying. It was dumb then, and still is.

 

[Cusefan95]

I'm fine with Gerry because he has an NIL guy. Does Hodgson have a billionaire NIL guy or are we going to rely on 'boosters' ? NIL whales are just as important as Players and Coaches. Look at St Johns ... it's not just Pitino, they have a billionaire sitting right behind him at the Garden...

Who is Gerry’s NIL guy? Does that guy have a less than ideal relationship with Syracuse? Might that influence the school’s willingness to bring McNamara on as head coach?

It wasn’t worth getting into in detail - this thread is already occasionally teetering on the rails and adding this topic into it threatens to cause permanent derailment. But there’s a whole lot of bridge building and bridge repairing that probably needs to happen for Gerry to be any kind of viable option considering his “NIL guy”.

 

[Cusefan95]

Oh, I get what he was saying. It was dumb then, and still is.

I admire your total commitment and focus on your hurt feelings. Your ability to not get sidetracked into a discussion on the actual merits of Gerry’s candidacy as head coach is quite impressive.

 

[Ozone!]

Gerry doesn’t need this job to be a successful college basketball coach; he already is!

 

[MGDCuse]

Gerry likes to tutor
New Yorks best 3 point shooters
In the parking lot of Hooters
With the Duke brothers and their buddy, Cooter.

Bear with me, it's a work in progress. I realize I probably shouldn't have Hooters and Cooter in the same poem, but I'm not Robert Frickin Frost.

 

[CooperCuse]

I admire your total commitment and focus on your hurt feelings. Your ability to not get sidetracked into a discussion on the actual merits of Gerry’s candidacy as head coach is quite impressive.

No one has hurt feelings. You said something stupid and I mentioned that it was stupid. As I have said before, Gerry is a winner. He won in high school, he won in college, he's now won as a head coach. He's a Syracuse guy. He should be our head coach. He should have been the choice for head coach three years ago.

 

[dasher]

Who is Gerry’s NIL guy? Does that guy have a less than ideal relationship with Syracuse? Might that influence the school’s willingness to bring McNamara on as head coach?

It wasn’t worth getting into in detail - this thread is already occasionally teetering on the rails and adding this topic into it threatens to cause permanent derailment. But there’s a whole lot of bridge building and bridge repairing that probably needs to happen for Gerry to be any kind of viable option considering his “NIL guy”.

The NIL guy you refer to is less likely now than when I was rejected in my efforts a few months back. It seems that NIL guy's foe is stronger now than he even was then.

 

[MSOrange]

Somebody [not going to go back through dozens of pages of posts] made a joking analogy about how the irrational support for GMac in the face of data that he might not be the best candidate is similar to your daughter bringing home a drug addict, with the only rationale for the toxic relationship being "but daddy... i love him!"

That's what he is making reference to. It is overblown.

Thanks for the explanation. I was really confused how that came into play.

As for my perspective, those who favor Hodgson have done a better job of presenting data-based reasoning that he's a better candidate than GMac at this point in time. While I feel like the GMac side is more relying on a lot of emotion-based reasoning, while also making some comparisons that aren't really fair or accurate (American vs MAAC, Siena now vs Siena when Fran McCaffery had his run, GMac's record at Siena vs Fran's record at Siena etc)

 

[MSOrange]

No one has hurt feelings. You said something stupid and I mentioned that it was stupid. As I have said before, Gerry is a winner. He won in high school, he won in college, he's now won as a head coach. He's a Syracuse guy. He should be our head coach. He should have been the choice for head coach three years ago.

Why is he a better choice than Hodgson at this point in time?

 

[IthacaMatt]

He 100% should not stay at Siena if he is serious about coaching at the P4 level. He should use Siena's success to move up to a tougher conference and gain more experience. Move up to the American, Big East, or A-10. That is how you build your resume as a coach. That would be his logical next step he shouldn't stay at Siena.

He's only had 1 good year. It won't kill him to stay another year or two, win 20+ games and make the tournament again.

 

[23Zone]

Why is he a better choice than Hodgson at this point in time?

 

[RF2044]

He's only had 1 good year. It won't kill him to stay another year or two, win 20+ games and make the tournament again.

Agreed.

Hopkins had a very strong start to his tenure at UW with a roster he mostly inherited, then nosedived.

Red had a relatively solid first year with a roster he mostly inherited [oustide of JJ], before posting losing seasons the next two.

Gerry is in his second year, but built on his first season and had a very good second season.

The lessons of the preceding two branches of the Boeheim coaching tree show that additional data points are needed to get a better read. Hopefully GMac bucks the trend.

 

[oldpinepoint]

The NIL guy you refer to is less likely now than when I was rejected in my efforts a few months back. It seems that NIL guy's foe is stronger now than he even was then.

He can still donate just like he always could have

 

[CooperCuse]

Why is he a better choice than Hodgson at this point in time?

I don't know that he is. I think they're both viable candidates. As I also said before, I'm not virulently opposed to Hodgson. But Gerry is my choice for head coach. He's a winner, he's a Syracuse guy. That preference doesn't need to be justified to anyone that thinks differently. Y'all can play Charlie Day with the numbers or continue with the name-calling 'til the cows come home, it doesn't matter. A lot of fans and Orange supporters want Gerry as coach, it would be a disservice to them if the University doesn't kick the tires on that option.

 

[oldpinepoint]

I don't know that he is. I think they're both viable candidates. As I also said before, I'm not virulently opposed to Hodgson. But Gerry is my choice for head coach. He's a winner, he's a Syracuse guy. That preference doesn't need to be justified to anyone that thinks differently. Y'all can play Charlie Day with the numbers or continue with the name-calling 'til the cows come home, it doesn't matter. A lot of fans and Orange supporters want Gerry as coach, it would be a disservice to them if the University doesn't kick the tires on that option.

I think that is a reasonable take, there are also a lot of fans who don’t want him either.

 

[CooperCuse]

I think that is a reasonable take, there are also a lot of fans who don’t want him either.

That's perfectly fine, I'm not going to call them everything but a child of God because they want a different guy at the helm. I think we all want the program to return to the halcyon days. There's more than one way to do that.

 

[oldpinepoint]

That's perfectly fine, I'm not going to call them everything but a child of God because they want a different guy at the helm. I think we all want the program to return to the halcyon days. There's more than one way to do that.

100% shouldn’t be any name calling. Lot of passion and frustration the last 5 years.

 

[MSOrange]

I don't know that he is. I think they're both viable candidates. As I also said before, I'm not virulently opposed to Hodgson. But Gerry is my choice for head coach. He's a winner, he's a Syracuse guy. That preference doesn't need to be justified to anyone that thinks differently. Y'all can play Charlie Day with the numbers or continue with the name-calling 'til the cows come home, it doesn't matter. A lot of fans and Orange supporters want Gerry as coach, it would be a disservice to them if the University doesn't kick the tires on that option.

Fair enough. I still think the case for Gerry at this point is more emotion-based and I get it - the emotion of sports is a big reason why we all enjoy it so much.

But I don't think it should factor into hiring decisions, especially for a program that's been down for several years and really needs to get this hire right.

 

[FrancoPizza]

No he actually didn’t you goof. He said it’s like trying to convince a teenage girl who’s in love with a drug addict that she’s wrong.

Further, if you think he equated Gerry and the druggie that means you think he’s calling you a teenaged girl.

Usually, but not always, parables help people to understand.

 

[Cusefan95]

I don't know that he is. I think they're both viable candidates. As I also said before, I'm not virulently opposed to Hodgson. But Gerry is my choice for head coach. He's a winner, he's a Syracuse guy. That preference doesn't need to be justified to anyone that thinks differently. Y'all can play Charlie Day with the numbers or continue with the name-calling 'til the cows come home, it doesn't matter. A lot of fans and Orange supporters want Gerry as coach, it would be a disservice to them if the University doesn't kick the tires on that option.

“He’s a winner”. Metrics free statement, and lots of coaches who are “winners” at lower levels crash and burn at a P4 school. Why is he going to win here? It needs more meat than “he’s always been a winner!” Because the guys who failed were often “always winners”…until they weren’t. Don’t care even a tiny bit about his playing career, stars who become coaches often don’t succeed. Playing success provides no indication coaching success will follow.

“He’s a Syracuse guy”. - Are we supposed to hire the best guy, regardless of his background? Or are we supposed to hire a “Syracuse guy”? I’m confused, the narrative on this keeps shifting. I’m fine with “Syracuse guy” being a cherry on top of a stellar resume. I’m not fine with it being a primary selling feature coupled with a thin resume. Give Gerry five years, the resume could be enough that “Syracuse guy” helps. That is not today though. (Be honest with yourself here - you immediately went to “Syracuse guy” so you think it’s a gigantic selling point, not a cherry on top).

“A lot of Orange fans want him” - smart GMs and AD follow the adage “If you listen to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with them”. They say that for a reason.

“it would be a disservice to fans to not kick the tires (on Gerry as head coach)”. - Eh. I’ve interviewed people as a courtesy to them when I had no intention of hiring them. I’d be fine with a courtesy interview if that would placate the pro-Gerry crowd. I’m skeptical that’s really going to placate you though.

The case for Gerry right now is all emotional appealing, no data.

 

[CooperCuse]

“He’s a winner”. Metrics free statement, and lots of coaches who are “winners” at lower levels crash and burn at a P4 school. Why is he going to win here? It needs more meat than “he’s always been a winner!” Because the guys who failed were often “always winners”…until they weren’t. Don’t care even a tiny bit about his playing career, stars who become coaches often don’t succeed. Playing success provides no indication coaching success will follow.

“He’s a Syracuse guy”. - Are we supposed to hire the best guy, regardless of his background? Or are we supposed to hire a “Syracuse guy”? I’m confused, the narrative on this keeps shifting. I’m fine with “Syracuse guy” being a cherry on top of a stellar resume. I’m not fine with it being a primary selling feature coupled with a thin resume. Give Gerry five years, the resume could be enough that “Syracuse guy” helps. That is not today though. (Be honest with yourself here - you immediately went to “Syracuse guy” so you think it’s a gigantic selling point, not a cherry on top).

“A lot of Orange fans want him” - smart GMs and AD follow the adage “If you listen to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with them”. They say that for a reason.

“it would be a disservice to fans to not kick the tires (on Gerry as head coach)”. - Eh. I’ve interviewed people as a courtesy to them when I had no intention of hiring them. I’d be fine with a courtesy interview if that would placate the pro-Gerry crowd. I’m skeptical that’s really going to placate you though.

The case for Gerry right now is all emotional appealing, no data.

Again, no one has to justify their choice for head coach to you. Hodgson's resume isn't any more accomplished than Gerry's. Your opinion on who it should be are worth as much as mine, which is to say jack and squat. I'm not interested in playing message board merry go round with you.