Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[CuseFaninVT]

Again, no one has to justify their choice for head coach to you. Hodgson's resume isn't any more accomplished than Gerry's. Your opinion on who it should be are worth as much as mine, which is to say jack and squat. I'm not interested in playing message board merry go round with you.

Why do you keep saying objectively false things?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Is the GT interest real?

I think we need to be honest with ourselves, GMAC can't hang with the ATL rap scene.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't know that he is. I think they're both viable candidates. As I also said before, I'm not virulently opposed to Hodgson. But Gerry is my choice for head coach. He's a winner, he's a Syracuse guy. That preference doesn't need to be justified to anyone that thinks differently. Y'all can play Charlie Day with the numbers or continue with the name-calling 'til the cows come home, it doesn't matter. A lot of fans and Orange supporters want Gerry as coach, it would be a disservice to them if the University doesn't kick the tires on that option.

I just saw a poll on CNY Central this morning. They had a survey for who should be the next coach.

Gerry has received over 40% of the votes so far.
Hodgson is 2nd with 27% or something like that, Mike had about 10% and I forget the 4th choice.

So, there are a lot of people out there who would like to see Gerry. But if he starts poorly, it could really tarnish the fans support.

Do we want to see Gerry coaching a team in a near-empty Dome? That would be a disaster.

 

[RF2044]

Fair enough. I still think the case for Gerry at this point is more emotion-based and I get it - the emotion of sports is a big reason why we all enjoy it so much.

But I don't think it should factor into hiring decisions, especially for a program that's been down for several years and really needs to get this hire right.

Or course not. Last time, board / donor dysfunction and politics led to us making a poor hire, because it was the path of least resistance.

It would be colossally stupid to repeat that mistake, without performing full due diligence. Perhaps GMac would be on a short list, maybe not.

But basing it on emotional nostalgia -- not what the program needs right now. The criteria needs to be merit based, not prioritizing subjectively vague factors like when Red was hired.

 

[Cusefan95]

Again, no one has to justify their choice for head coach to you. Hodgson's resume isn't any more accomplished than Gerry's. Your opinion on who it should be are worth as much as mine, which is to say jack and squat. I'm not interested in playing message board merry go round with you.

The crazy thing is, both resumes were detailed in this very thread, and it was abundantly clear this isn’t remotely accurate. But folks like you have chosen to just ignore that and keep asserting otherwise. You can believe whatever crazy nonsense that contradicts reality that you want to but you keep getting upset that I’m pointing it out.

As but one example of how you keep contradicting yourself: here you say both of our opinions are worth jack and squat. In your comment before that, you say Syracuse owes it to fans who want Gerry to “kick the tires”. Which is it? That your opinion doesn’t matter, or that it’s so important Syracuse should listen to it?

When arguments keep twisting in knots and contradicting - it’s a sure fire sign of an emotional argument and that the person has fully abandoned logic and reason. You have abandoned logic and reason on this topic.

 

[Cusefan95]

I just saw a poll on CNY Central this morning. They had a survey for who should be the next coach.

Gerry has received over 40% of the votes so far.
Hodgson is 2nd with 27% or something like that, Mike had about 10% and I forget the 4th choice.

So, there are a lot of people out there who would like to see Gerry. But if he starts poorly, it could really tarnish the fans support.

Do we want to see Gerry coaching a team in a near-empty Dome? That would be a disaster.

Anyone who voted for Mike should be tested for drugs. I can at least see how the emotional appeal of Gerry is impacting people - voting for Mike is totally baffling to me.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Again, no one has to justify their choice for head coach to you.

You are right about this.

Hodgson's resume isn't any more accomplished than Gerry's.

Most people would disagree with this take, looking at it objectively.
Hodgson has coached at 2 schools, not one, as the head coach.
He won at both places.

His time as an assistant was marked by being the lead recruiter for teams that over-achieved by a mile compared to their history.

Gerry's time as an assistant was Syracuse's worst time as a program in 60 years. He was nowhere near the recruiter that Mike Hopkins was.

Their experience is not equivalent. Sorry if you can't see that.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Anyone who voted for Mike should be tested for drugs. I can at least see how the emotional appeal of Gerry is impacting people - voting for Mike is totally baffling to me.

Mike was our glory days. That's why he's getting votes.

Everybody knows he was an assistant on 2 or 3 Olympics teams.

They know he won Coach of the Year when he went to Washington.

I think most people didn't follow his career closely past that.

 

[23Zone]

Just hire Hodgson!! And for the record, I do love some gmac but gotta take emotion out of it.

 

[23Zone]

Would love to see data comparing NIL money ratio in conference compared to end of year finish in conference.

 

[RedtheGOB]

The NIL guy you refer to is less likely now than when I was rejected in my efforts a few months back. It seems that NIL guy's foe is stronger now than he even was then.

Well put.

I haven’t seen as much stuff from Etan and some of the other usual pushers in that space or maybe I’m just missing it.

I gotta believe that most of the folks pushing Hopkins so hard 2-3 weeks ago and promising 30 mil woke up Wednesday morning thinking well now we have to be all in on GMac.

Let’s just say I’m big dawg BoT guy with major pull to decide on a coach. 2 weeks ago I’m getting calls from the family hire people that Hopkins is the man and has tons of money coming with him and has to be coach.

Now after one game and a tourney ticket punched I’m getting the same calls but now it’s GMac that has to be the coach.

Sorry but I’d be skeptical with this group just swapping out a name overnight even if we all know that gmac is a better hire than Hop.

 

[4evaOrange]

It’s probably gonna be Alex Kline. They relieved him as GM so he could he the next head coach.

 

[Cusefan95]

It’s probably gonna be Alex Kline. They relieved him as GM so he could he the next head coach.

While it’s not going to happen, Millhouse ’s reaction would be so glorious it makes me wish this was a real possibility.

 

[powdersmack]

Oh, I get what he was saying. It was dumb then, and still is.

 

[kingtidge]

I admire your total commitment and focus on your hurt feelings. Your ability to not get sidetracked into a discussion on the actual merits of Gerry’s candidacy as head coach is quite impressive.

He's great at red stilettos tho...

Glass half full and all that...

 

[DilemaCuse]

I gotta believe that most of the folks pushing Hopkins so hard 2-3 weeks ago and promising 30 mil woke up Wednesday morning thinking well now we have to be all in on GMac.

Let’s just say I’m big dawg BoT guy with major pull to decide on a coach. 2 weeks ago I’m getting calls from the family hire people that Hopkins is the man and has tons of money coming with him and has to be coach.

Now after one game and a tourney ticket punched I’m getting the same calls but now it’s GMac that has to be the coach.

Sorry but I’d be skeptical with this group just swapping out a name overnight even if we all know that gmac is a better hire than Hop.

Oh that switch was flipped over the weekend going into Monday morning, you could sense and smell the change from the CNY bubble folks who have no perspective.

At same time I recognize and tip my hat to the job Gerry is doing and he has put in work to get himself into consideration but it really is wild how narrow minded folks are.

 

[PauliePeppas]

LAorange44 i see my post made you angry. Why is that

We really need a block feature lol

 

[Cusefan95]

He's great at red stilettos tho...

Glass half full and all that...

I consider the 14,000 stilettos I’ve gotten from the pro-Gerry crowd on this thread a badge of honor. And he in particular has honored me with many, many badges.

 

[swish7]

 

[tptcuse]

I loved watching Siena win against Merrimack. It was fun. Gerry's passion was on full display. Doty was great. They played hard. Motivating players is incredibly important for a head coach, and GMac is great at it. I saw nothing on offense that made me think there was some scheme that was leading to the success. That is my concern with him, and we have seen how quickly that can become a huge problem in the ACC.

 

[ScriptCuse]

Again, no one has to justify their choice for head coach to you. Hodgson's resume isn't any more accomplished than Gerry's. Your opinion on who it should be is worth as much as mine, which is to say jack and squat. I'm not interested in playing message board merry go round with you.

This is objectively not true and I laid it out in this thread. Gerry has done a great job - he might even be the next HC at Syracuse! However, Hodgson’s resume is much better at this time.

Both of those things can be true. But saying the resume isn’t any more accomplished is objectively false.

 

[BomberOrange]

Dean Smith has a pretty good coaching tree.

Roy Williams
Larry Brown
George Karl
Billy Cunningham
Bill Guthridge
Hubert Davis
Matt Doherty

You can take Doherty off that list. Hubert and Gutheridge were ok. The rest legends. Still a strong g tree

 

[BomberOrange]

Your best post this whole time. Bravo. I have no qualms with someone who wants Gmac, but would be good with BH.

 

[shu 49]

Honestly, if you are strictly looking at Metrics, then you are right, Gerry should not even be considered.
And if he was Joe Blow at Siena, we probably wouldn't consider him or even talk about him on this board.

But he is not Joe Blow, he is Gerry McNamara.
Won our only national championship with an epic 3 point barrage as a freshman.
Willed his 9 seed team to a historic Big East Championship when literally all hope was lost to get to the NCAAT.
Flat out won as a player, even when he had to carry SU on his back.

Grad manager for 2 years, Assistant coach for 13 years at SU.
In those years, SU went to 9 NCAAT and one NIT. Made 2 final fours, 1 elite eight, 3 sweet sixteens.
Last trip was 20-21 and a sweet sixteen.
So, though the team definitely went down the last 3 years, he was not an assistant at a bottom tier losing program.
So, you could say, for the most part, his teams won when he was an assistant until JBs coaching issues dragged them down.

Then becomes head coach at Siena. Frankly no one thought he would do much there, at least initially.
Team was 4-28 the year he showed up.
He built the team from scratch - everything had to be redone.
Promised at his introductory news conference that he was there to win.
That all he had done his whole life was geared toward winning, every day in the gym he was focused on what could he do to win. That is what he said.

2 years later his team is 23-11 and won their tournament and a ticket to the NCAAT for the first time in 16 years. He promised he would win and he kept that promise.
So, you can say that he flat out won as a head coach.

Bottom line is he has been a winner his whole life.
He has never shirked from a challenge, has never failed to achieve what he set out to do.
That is why so many, including myself, are advocating for GMAC.

I dont blame him for Jims slide in the later years. Seriously, what was he supposed to do to fix it.
He wasnt in control of the program. He could help as best he could but he could not fix what ailed us.

All I know is that once he was in control he brought Siena back from the scrap heap.
Brought in players, set up a winning culture and a defensive identity as a bunch of scrappers who wont leave you alone.
They will be dancing next week, we are still waiting and waiting.

I agree with all of it. Also has a offense to run. Tough defense and biggest thing is a winner every where he goes

 

[shu 49]

It’s not disrespect to GMac. Its that there are better options, period.

Gerry and Hodge have same blueprint. Both doing great. Both set offenses not Jb offense. Tough d. I am great with either