Gotta say Kaiser is right about the CFB playoffs the Big XII is in trouble

[KaiserUEO]

I do NOT believe the committee cares about ratings.

This is the playoffs, the ratings will be there.

And if they're not and the TV guys cry hard enough, somebody will go tell the Rose Bowl to go themselves because this is more important than your game of also-rans when they aren't a host bowl...and in the future we will get these games on NewYears Day at 5 and 830 like they should be.

 

[suorange08]

That wasn't my point. My point was who they schedule.

They played Clemson @ Clemson. They play USC every year. And Texas, when they scheduled it, was a monster team.

And they still have to play Stanford.


Baylor's OOC schedule was SMU, Lamar and Rice...Puhleeese...

Why do you give notre dame credit for scheduling a mediocre usc and texas, yet do not give credit to baylor (or ok state) for playing that same texas team as well as three other higher ranked teams than notre dame will have beaten?

 

[Alsacs]

Why do you give notre dame credit for scheduling a mediocre usc and texas, yet do not give credit to baylor (or ok state) for playing that same texas team as well as three other higher ranked teams than notre dame will have beaten?

Baylor's OOC schedule
@SMU
Lamar-1AA
Rice
That is a joke for a NC contender
Oklahoma State' OOC schedule
@Central Michigan
Central Akransas
Texas-San Antonio
That is a joke for a NC contender

The Big XII needs to make their teams play atleast 1 good OOC game. As Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa State are not good and that keeps their SOS down.
West Virginia and Kansas State are down for the Big XII's middle class and Texas is down for the Big XII's royalty.

Clemson plays Notre Dame, Appalachian State 7-2, South Carolina and 1 FCS as their OOC.

 

[suorange08]

ND's schedule outside of UMass is top notch.
Their game at Stanford is huge for them. 11-1 ND vs. 12-0 Big XII team will be a major debate in the committee room.
ND playing UMass, BC, Wake is equal to Big XII champ playing Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech.

ND played Texas as well. This would be a really interesting debate.

What is their SOS? When I look at it I see bad teams in texas, umass, uva and ga tech. Ok teams in usc, pitt, navy and temple. That doesnt seem like a great schedule to me especially knowing how much they struggled with uva and temple

 

[suorange08]

Baylor's OOC schedule
@SMU
Lamar-1AA
Rice
That is a joke for a NC contender
Oklahoma State' OOC schedule
@Central Michigan
Central Akransas
Texas-San Antonio
That is a joke for a NC contender

The Big XII needs to make their teams play atleast 1 good OOC game. As Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa State are not good and that keeps their SOS down.
West Virginia and Kansas State are down for the Big XII's middle class and Texas is down for the Big XII's royalty.

Clemson plays Notre Dame, Appalachian State 7-2, South Carolina and 1 FCS as their OOC.

I agree about needing better ooc. The cowgirls especially... oops just gave away that i am a sooner fan. Ou loss to texas kills me since we actually schedule competitve ooc. Wish the rest of the big 12 would too.

 

[Alsacs]

What is their SOS? When I look at it I see bad teams in texas, umass, uva and ga tech. Ok teams in usc, pitt, navy and temple. That doesnt seem like a great schedule to me especially knowing how much they struggled with uva and temple

Most wins vs. FBS teams w/current winning record: Clemson 6 Alabama 6 Memphis 5 Mich State 5 LSU 4 ND 4 Iowa 4 Utah 4
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
ND SOS currently 16th.

 

[Alsacs]

I agree about needing better ooc. The cowgirls especially... oops just gave away that i am a sooner fan. Ou loss to texas kills me since we actually schedule competitve ooc. Wish the rest of the big 12 would too.

Since Oklahoma won at Tennessee if they went 12-0 I think they would get in over ND at 11-1 for sure.
OU at 11-1 because both Baylor and Oklahoma State are on the road would be the only Big XII team who could jump ND.

 

[suorange08]

Most wins vs. FBS teams w/current winning record: Clemson 6 Alabama 6 Memphis 5 Mich State 5 LSU 4 ND 4 Iowa 4 Utah 4
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
ND SOS currently 16th.

Thanks. It will go down over the next two weeks with wake and bc. Looking at it and I have a hard time saying they are a top 4 though the numbers are pretty good for support. Hoping stanford beats them and we don't have to worry lol.

 

[bpo57]

NDs SOS is about to get clobbered in the next 2 weeks.

Watch them start to move that 1 loss Utah team up, so if they beat a 1 or 2 loss Stanford, they're the 4th.

Utah still has @AZ, home vs. UCLA and then Stanford in the title game. Plenty of opportunity for them to get a 2nd loss. They're a good squad but the odds are stacked against them.

 

[bpo57]

Yeah if the committee puts an 11-1 nd over an undefeated big 12 then that would be idiotic. Doesn't the committee value a conference champ over a non champ? Also, nd has not beaten any top ranked team. Navy and temple are their best lol.

That's why they need to beat Stanford.

 

[bpo57]

The ONLY reason Clemson is #1 and will stay #1 if they win out is so they can justify ND being #4 (If ND wins out) when all is said and done as with Clemson being #1 helps ND look stronger.

If ND wins out they are in. Period. The committee wants $$$$. Plus having the semi-finals on the worst possible night imaginable (New Years Eve) they need ND to bring some ratings to games that will struggle to get ratings on that night. ND has 3 games left, WF and BC are gimmies. Then @ Stanford. If they beat Stanford they are in I don't care what anyone else does.

I got a big problem with Alabama being in. Alabama lost at HOME to Ole Miss. The same Ole Miss that lost to Memphis by 2 TD's!! I know they are in the SEC, but you can't justify Alabama being in over possibly a 2nd Big 10 team (ie Mich St who got screwed) OR a Big 12 team that is unbeaten.

Right or wrong I'm fairly certain that Bama would be the betting favorite if the tourney were held next weekend. Their front seven is easily the best in college football although admittedly you can do some business on their secondary. On offense Mr. Henry is a load that very few teams can stop.

 

[Chip]

Right or wrong I'm fairly certain that Bama would be the betting favorite if the tourney were held next weekend. Their front seven is easily the best in college football although admittedly you can do some business on their secondary. On offense Mr. Henry is a load that very few teams can stop.

Agree. Right now just about anyone would put them as the favorite.

Of course, that was the same thing last year. No one saw that Ohio State run coming.

But the way they dominated LSU. Wonder how close Florida's D can keep that SEC championship game.

 

[bpo57]

Why do you give notre dame credit for scheduling a mediocre usc and texas, yet do not give credit to baylor (or ok state) for playing that same texas team as well as three other higher ranked teams than notre dame will have beaten?

That mediocre Texas team beat OU.

 

[suorange08]

That mediocre Texas team beat OU.

Don't remind me... smh

 

[Stern]

Right or wrong I'm fairly certain that Bama would be the betting favorite if the tourney were held next weekend. Their front seven is easily the best in college football although admittedly you can do some business on their secondary. On offense Mr. Henry is a load that very few teams can stop.

I'm not saying they aren't the best team or they won't get in. I'm just saying based on the criteria they shouldn't be in (they lost at home and lost to a team that lost to Memphis by 2 TD's). But an SEC team will be in and its 99.9% sure to be Alabama. An SEC team will be in. Just like an 11-1 ND team shouldn't be in but they will be in.

It's about ratings and revenue and ND brings both in spades! And if people don't think that matters people are being naive.

 

[bpo57]

I'm not saying they aren't the best team or they won't get in. I'm just saying based on the criteria they shouldn't be in (they lost at home and lost to a team that lost to Memphis by 2 TD's). But an SEC team will be in and its 99.9% sure to be Alabama. An SEC team will be in. Just like an 11-1 ND team shouldn't be in but they will be in.

It's about ratings and revenue and ND brings both in spades! And if people don't think that matters people are being naive.

There is a very high likelihood that at least one 1 loss team will get in. Hard to make a case imo that there is another 1 loss team that will be more deserving than Alabama.

As for your theory on ND I agree. Let's say the final spot came down to ND and Utah both with one loss. Good luck to the Utes. Where I disagree is that I think ND is a legit top 5 team. Their offense is as balanced and explosive as any other team in the country. Solid OL and play makers all over the field. Overall they probably have at least six guys that will go in the first two rounds of the NFL draft. They lost on a two point conversion in Death Valley yet outgained Clemson by 150 yards. If ND beats Stanford on the road then they'll be as deserving as any other one loss team. I don't think a B12 team is going undefeated.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Why do you give notre dame credit for scheduling a mediocre usc and texas, yet do not give credit to baylor (or ok state) for playing that same texas team as well as three other higher ranked teams than notre dame will have beaten?

Two reasons:

1. USC and Texas are not expected to be mediocre. They are expected to field teams that compete for national championships year-in and year-out. When these games were scheduled they were expected to be marquee games.

2. TCU has to play Texas since they are in the same conference. It is only the OOC games where they have discretion as to whom they schedule. Baylor, OSU amd TCU all decided to schedule patsies.

 

[TheCusian]

If I'm ND, I'm very happy to:

A.) have Stanford on the schedule this year
B.) that the Big 12 doesn't have a championship game

 

[TerryD]

ND has only beaten two ranked teams: Navy and Temple

That is as many Top 25 wins as anyone.

Baylor has not played a Top 25 team. Neither has Ohio State.





Committee chairman Jeff Long said Notre Dame was "solidly" No. 4.

"They've moved themselves up," Long said, noting the two top-25 wins. "They've been able to overcome some injuries." SOS is a big factor. ND's SOS is much higher than Baylor and OSU.



Some stats/metrics:

1. Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau
   
   Remaining SOS (reg season) of @CFBPlayoff top 6: 2. Baylor 13. Ohio St 16. ND 23. Alabama 59. Iowa 106. Clemson http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/
   
   
   Toughest SOS to date (and FBS record): 1. GaTech (2-6) 2. ND (8-1) 3. Texas (4-5) 4. USC (6-3) 5. Ole Miss (6-3) http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/
   
   
   
   Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau
   
   
   
2. Four @CFBPlayoff top 25 teams have played three games to date vs other top 25 teams: ND (2-1) LSU (2-1) Michigan (1-2) Northwestern (1-2)
   
   
   
   Brian Fremeau ‏ @bcfremeau
3. Ohio St and Baylor only two top 10 @CFBPlayoff teams who haven't played a top 25 opponent yet.
   
   
   
4. ian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau

1. Record vs @CFBPlayoff top 25: 1. Clemson (2-0) 2. Alabama (2-0) 3. Ohio State (0-0) 4. Notre Dame (2-1) 5. Iowa (2-0) 6. Baylor (0-0)

 

[TheCusian]

That is as many Top 25 wins as anyone. Baylor has not played a Top 25 team. Neither has Ohio State. Committee chairman Jeff Long said Notre Dame was "solidly" No. 4. "They've moved themselves up," Long said, noting the two top-25 wins. "They've been able to overcome some injuries." SOS is a big factor. ND's SOS is much higher than Baylor and OSU. Some stats/metrics: [*]Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau Remaining SOS (reg season) of @CFBPlayoff top 6: 2. Baylor 13. Ohio St 16. ND 23. Alabama 59. Iowa 106. Clemson http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/ Toughest SOS to date (and FBS record): 1. GaTech (2-6) 2. ND (8-1) 3. Texas (4-5) 4. USC (6-3) 5. Ole Miss (6-3) http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/ Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau [*]Four @CFBPlayoff top 25 teams have played three games to date vs other top 25 teams: ND (2-1) LSU (2-1) Michigan (1-2) Northwestern (1-2) Brian Fremeau ‏ @bcfremeau [*]Ohio St and Baylor only two top 10 @CFBPlayoff teams who haven't played a top 25 opponent yet. [*]ian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau [*]Record vs @CFBPlayoff top 25: 1. Clemson (2-0) 2. Alabama (2-0) 3. Ohio State (0-0) 4. Notre Dame (2-1) 5. Iowa (2-0) 6. Baylor (0-0)

Do those SOS numbers include quality opponents in conference championship games?

 

[Alsacs]

Do those SOS numbers include quality opponents in conference championship games?

No.
Clemson will get a boost from UNC. Alabama from Florida. Ohio State/Michigan State/Michigan vs. Iowa and Stanford vs. UCLA/Utah.

 

[KaiserUEO]

There is a very high likelihood that at least one 1 loss team will get in. Hard to make a case imo that there is another 1 loss team that will be more deserving than Alabama.

As for your theory on ND I agree. Let's say the final spot came down to ND and Utah both with one loss. Good luck to the Utes. Where I disagree is that I think ND is a legit top 5 team. Their offense is as balanced and explosive as any other team in the country. Solid OL and play makers all over the field. Overall they probably have at least six guys that will go in the first two rounds of the NFL draft. They lost on a two point conversion in Death Valley yet outgained Clemson by 150 yards. If ND beats Stanford on the road then they'll be as deserving as any other one loss team. I don't think a B12 team is going undefeated.

revenue is fixed.

ratings will be the ratings.

would nd bring more eyeballs?? probably. does the committee care? nope.

that ship still is taking passengers for every bowl not in the F4, but not here.

That is as many Top 25 wins as anyone.

Baylor has not played a Top 25 team. Neither has Ohio State.





Committee chairman Jeff Long said Notre Dame was "solidly" No. 4.

"They've moved themselves up," Long said, noting the two top-25 wins. "They've been able to overcome some injuries." SOS is a big factor. ND's SOS is much higher than Baylor and OSU.



Some stats/metrics:

1. Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau
   
   Remaining SOS (reg season) of @CFBPlayoff top 6: 2. Baylor 13. Ohio St 16. ND 23. Alabama 59. Iowa 106. Clemson http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/
   
   
   Toughest SOS to date (and FBS record): 1. GaTech (2-6) 2. ND (8-1) 3. Texas (4-5) 4. USC (6-3) 5. Ole Miss (6-3) http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/
   
   
   
   Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau
   
   
   
2. Four @CFBPlayoff top 25 teams have played three games to date vs other top 25 teams: ND (2-1) LSU (2-1) Michigan (1-2) Northwestern (1-2)
   
   
   
   Brian Fremeau ‏ @bcfremeau
3. Ohio St and Baylor only two top 10 @CFBPlayoff teams who haven't played a top 25 opponent yet.
   
   
   
4. ian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau

1. Record vs @CFBPlayoff top 25: 1. Clemson (2-0) 2. Alabama (2-0) 3. Ohio State (0-0) 4. Notre Dame (2-1) 5. Iowa (2-0) 6. Baylor (0-0)

So if the season ended today, nd would be in...congrats.

But it doesn't...and when it does, you will be OUT.

The conferences by virtue of the committee, will protect a 1 loss conf champ game winner or a 1 loss conference champion.

And it will be glorious.

Buh-bye.

 

[TerryD]

revenue is fixed.

ratings will be the ratings.

would nd bring more eyeballs?? probably. does the committee care? nope.

that ship still is taking passengers for every bowl not in the F4, but not here.

So if the season ended today, nd would be in...congrats.

But it doesn't...and when it does, you will be OUT.

The conferences by virtue of the committee, will protect a 1 loss conf champ game winner or a 1 loss conference champion.

And it will be glorious.

Buh-bye.

Nice talking to you too.

If ND gets in at 11-1, great.

If not, ok. ND should have beat Clemson. No big deal, stay independent and try to win them all next year.

Win all the games and don't worry about it.

Nobody has a crystal ball. Time will tell.

 

[Stern]

revenue is fixed.

ratings will be the ratings.

would nd bring more eyeballs?? probably. does the committee care? nope.

The ratings matter a lot for the advertising rates for the TV partners and for how much they can charge and the ratings matter to the sponsors of these bowl games who pay big bucks to have their company's name attached to these bowl games. If you don't think ratings and revenue matter I don't know what you tell you but I couldn't disagree more. Ratings always matter. The committee wants to sap every penny they can out of these games for themselves and for their TV partners. If having ND in the Final Four means a higher rating that gives them (the committee) ammunition to charge sponsors more next year and beyond to attach their names to these bowl games (Goodyear Cotton Bowl, Capital One Orange bowl..etc). It gives the TV partner ammunition to charge more for advertising rates for those games. And when they have to negotiate the next deal many years down the line, they will of course go off the ratings history of all of these Final 4 and championship games. Ratings always matter! Which is why the committee will keep Clemson #1 overall even though they probably don't deserve to be #1 overall (probably should be #2 or #3) as it keeps ND looking stronger and then they can justify having ND in the Final 4 as their only loss was by 2 pts with a back-up QB at the #1 team overall!

Ratings always matter. Revenue always matter and Revenue is far from "fixed"

 

[Alsacs]

The rating will matter a lot more this year than when the games are on NYD. I think less people will watch on 12-31 but not by a lot.


With that said the committee is going to pick the 4 best teams IMO. ND vs. Big XII will interesting to watch and not being a conference champion would be awesome to punish ND with.