Gotta say Kaiser is right about the CFB playoffs the Big XII is in trouble

[sabach]

"Look, guys. I know you're disappointed. We had a great season only losing to Clemson in a monsoon... But the old guys who run things think scheduling that extra OOC game is more important than being a national champion. Oh, and money."

As a private Catholic school in northern Indiana, ND has no natural base for recruiting and therefore has to recruit nationally. Being so, it needs a national schedule to accommodate its recruiting, (i.e. ND plays one away game in California each year). This is one of the reasons why ND plays a HOME game each year in a pro stadium in another city (like this year when ND plays BC in an ND home game at Fenway). Being independent permits ND to have scheduling flexibility and to recruit better nationally and play away games for its nationwide fan base. It's not just about money and easier access to a National Championship.

 

[AZOrange]

If they are picking the teams that have played the best football now and over the course of the year then they clearly have it right. ND is playing really good football down a starting qb and rb... Clemson belongs, as does Bama. Closest team I think at no. 5 is actually lsu.

 

[TheCusian]

As a private Catholic school in northern Indiana, ND has no natural base for recruiting and therefore has to recruit nationally. Being so, it needs a national schedule to accommodate its recruiting, (i.e. ND plays one away game in California each year). This is one of the reasons why ND plays a HOME game each year in a pro stadium in another city (like this year when ND plays BC in an ND home game at Fenway). Being independent permits ND to have scheduling flexibility and to recruit better nationally and play away games for its nationwide fan base. It's not just about money and easier access to a National Championship.

No school like the old school.

The internet makes all that recruiting stuff nil. Kids everywhere know about ND. They should be able to walk into any HS and get the attention of whomever they want. Don't need to play in the state for that to work.

 

[Alsacs]

No school like the old school.

The internet makes all that recruiting stuff nil. Kids everywhere know about ND. They should be able to walk into any HS and get the attention of whomever they want. Don't need to play in the state for that to work.

As I told you ND fans are William Wallace about FB Independence they aren't going to change. When they go to ND it is part of their tradition. Being semi-independent is still independence and allows them to keep all their own money.

 

[AZOrange]

No school like the old school.

The internet makes all that recruiting stuff nil. Kids everywhere know about ND. They should be able to walk into any HS and get the attention of whomever they want. Don't need to play in the state for that to work.

What? ND had its fair share of bad recruiting prior to BK...

 

[sabach]

No school like the old school.

The internet makes all that recruiting stuff nil. Kids everywhere know about ND. They should be able to walk into any HS and get the attention of whomever they want. Don't need to play in the state for that to work.

Okay, but people have bitched and moaned about SU playing home games at MetLife. Fact of the matter is that ND has been playing home games in pro stadiums across the country for years now (Soldier Field, Cowboys Stadium, Lucas Oil, Alamo Dome, Fed Ex Field, Fenway Park). In fact, ND has played a home game in Ireland.

 

[TheCusian]

As I told you ND fans are William Wallace about FB Independence they aren't going to change. When they go to ND it is part of their tradition. Being semi-independent is still independence and allows them to keep all their own money.

I know - I just like goading their fans into defending it.

 

[sabach]

I know - I just like goading their fans into defending it.

Guys, SU left a conference they helped to start for money.

 

[TheCusian]

What? ND had its fair share of bad recruiting prior to BK...

I'm not saying it doesn't help at all - just that it's not quite worth as much as they claim.

Plus - they can still play USC and Stanford OOC.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

So Notre Dame gets credit for scheduling a team that is expected to be great, yet isn't. You give no credit given to teams who play that same exact team in conference? If they both play the team, who cares if it is in conference or not?

You asked me this exact same question in your previous post and I answered it in my response. Go back and reread my answer.

The funny thing is that their two best wins are against teams who are rarely in the top 25, yet are this year- so they get credit for that too? Can't have it both ways.

Nowhere in my post did I give them credit for beating anybody. I didn't say anything about wins and losses.

My post was solely about discretionary, OOC scheduling.

The only thing I wrote was that I give credit to Notre Dame for how they schedule and I am happy that OSU, TCU and Baylor are all lagging in the rankings because they all have really weak OOC schedules.

That is it.

 

[TheCusian]

Guys, SU left a conference they helped to start for money.

And a better shot at the playoffs?!

 

[Alsacs]

Okay, but people have bitched and moaned about SU playing home games at MetLife. Fact of the matter is that ND has been playing home games in pro stadiums across the country for years now (Soldier Field, Cowboys Stadium, Lucas Oil, Alamo Dome, Fed Ex Field, Fenway Park). In fact, ND has played a home game in Ireland.

Please do not go down this road. I really don't want to go down this road. Please do not try this comparison I don't want to go this path. I will leave it at SU FB is not ND FB and ND FB can GTH for not treating SU FB like a true partner.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Future revenue is based on ratings. Simple concept.

No shlit, they're not corrupt.

Simpler concept.

 

[Alsacs]

When Notre Dame plays USC in its home game at the Rose Bowl or Michigan in its home game at Spartan Stadium then compare it to SU moving its home game to Metlife.
Also your wrong. Navy was the home team when ND played in Ireland. ND wouldn't damn give up a home game to play Navy in Dublin.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Funny thing is that ND has been trying to ease the schedule a bit by putting teams like Temple on the schedule. Then, the year they play at Temple, they are undefeated and ranked.

Well, they really had to.

Texas, USC, Clemson & Stanford is a helluva foursome (on paper). Can you imagine if Sparty and Michigan were still on the schedule?

 

[sabach]

And a better shot at the playoffs?!

There was no playoff when SU joined the ACC.

 

[TheCusian]

There was no playoff when SU joined the ACC.

Cute. Their road to the BCS/Playoff got easier with their membership into the ACC.

I'm not under the illusion that yearly money wasn't the best reason. But being in a P5 conference gives us an easier path than the AAC, helps with recruiting, etc. It was an easy call to make.

And I get that ND has different circumstances. But to not give yourself the best opportunity to win playoff games in favor of $, tradition, and pseudo independence is crazy.

 

[sabach]

When Notre Dame plays USC in its home game at the Rose Bowl or Michigan in its home game at Spartan Stadium then compare it to SU moving its home game to Metlife.
Also your wrong. Navy was the home team when ND played in Ireland. ND wouldn't damn give up a home game to play Navy in Dublin.

You are right about the Navy game in Dublin as an away game. But outside of that I can't tell what you are talking about. ND moves one home game per year to a pro stadium across the country (Shamrock Series). ND is not playing BC at Notre Dame Stadium this year, they moved the game to Fenway. BC is playing ND in Fenway and BC is the away team. A few years back ND played a home game in Landover MD against Maryland and last year ND played a home game in Indianapolis against Purdue.

 

[bpo57]

No shlit, they're not corrupt.

Simpler concept.

If you wanna back up the bravado with a wager then I'm hear for ya, big guy.

 

[suorange08]

You asked me this exact same question in your previous post and I answered it in my response. Go back and reread my answer.



Nowhere in my post did I give them credit for beating anybody. I didn't say anything about wins and losses.

My post was solely about discretionary, OOC scheduling.

The only thing I wrote was that I give credit to Notre Dame for how they schedule and I am happy that OSU, TCU and Baylor are all lagging in the rankings because they all have really weak OOC schedules.

That is it.

No you didn't, unless you didn't understand my question. The response you gave was to credit Notre Dame for scheduling games against teams that are supposed to be good. The problem is those teams weren't.

Asking Baylor, TCU, OSU (both) to schedule ooc that is decent is something we agree with. OU and Texas have each scheduled a name P5 every year OOC.

You still can't ignore conference schedules, though you seem to want to. If we ignore conference schedules, then Notre Dame's ACC games should not be considered since those were not up to them as the ACC is the one who schedules those.

Overall, Notre Dame will still not have as many top-15 games as any of the Big 12 teams or Ohio State.

 

[bpo57]

Well, they really had to.

Texas, USC, Clemson & Stanford is a helluva foursome (on paper). Can you imagine if Sparty and Michigan were still on the schedule?

They've got Sparty next year and OSU in a home and home in a couple of years. These guys that ridicule ND's schedule are nuts. Plenty of cupcakes in the P5, too.

 

[KaiserUEO]

What if ND beats Stanford who goes on to win the Pac12 title? Then let's say all of the B12 teams have one loss. Then the only way ND is not getting in is if the Committee gives your beloved "Bevo" the nod. You remember Bevo, right? They're the ones you said won't get in cuz they don't play a conference tourney. Either way that shakes out you'll be wrong.

You're moving the goalposts.

A 2 loss Stanford team, even as a conf champ, should not jump 1 loss Bevo or nd.

Now I believe a 1 loss Utah team should.

I also believe a 1 loss Oklahoma team will be in over 1 loss nd and said the only dog in the fight who would have a case in that scenario is 1 loss Utah.

Keep fighting for your beloved nd here on the syracusefan site, I'll keep finding ways to keep them out.

sorry in advance to the other nd lovers here.

 

[bpo57]

You're moving the goalposts.

A 2 loss Stanford team, even as a conf champ, should not jump 1 loss Bevo or nd.

Now I believe a 1 loss Utah team should.

I also believe a 1 loss Oklahoma team will be in over 1 loss nd and said the only dog in the fight who would have a case in that scenario is 1 loss Utah.

Keep fighting for your beloved nd here on the syracusefan site, I'll keep finding ways to keep them out.

sorry in advance to the other nd lovers here.

You "believe" it but just not enough to bet it on it. I gotcha.

 

[Alsacs]

You are right about the Navy game in Dublin as an away game. But outside of that I can't tell what you are talking about. ND moves one home game per year to a pro stadium across the country (Shamrock Series). ND is not playing BC at Notre Dame Stadium this year, they moved the game to Fenway. BC is playing ND in Fenway and BC is the away team. A few years back ND played a home game in Landover MD against Maryland and last year ND played a home game in Indianapolis against Purdue.

Moving a middle of the road home game to a neutral site is one thing, but moving a premiere home game to a neutral site is completely different.

Playing Shamrock games away from campus against Maryland, BC, Purdue, Washington State, Maryland, Arizona State etc. lets ND play in whatever recruiting hotbed they want and NBC pays them extra money for it because the game is in primetime.

When Syracuse can't even get ND to play them at the Dome home/home and only away/Metlife that is a joke. When we played ND in 2003/2005/2008 that was a 2 for 1. ND treated SU worse than Michigan/Tennessee/Auburn/Penn State/Florida State did and we were supposed "Big East partners".

Comparing SU moving to ND to Metlife would be like ND moving USC to the Rose Bowl or Michigan to Ford Field. It is a joke and something Rutgers/UConn turned down before Dr. Gross took the money. It was a terrible deal for SU season ticket holders. We are lucky the ACC threw us a bone and gave us one of the two ND 3rd home games so we get them at home before 2025.

 

[sabach]

Cute. Their road to the BCS/Playoff got easier with their membership into the ACC.

I'm not under the illusion that yearly money wasn't the best reason. But being in a P5 conference gives us an easier path than the AAC, helps with recruiting, etc. It was an easy call to make.

And I get that ND has different circumstances. But to not give yourself the best opportunity to win playoff games in favor of $, tradition, and pseudo independence is crazy.

No doubt joining the ACC was a no-brainer for SU and I will always be grateful to TGD for doing that, regardless of the other things that when down when he was the AD. But let's not criticize a school for not joining a conference because of money and reserve for ourselves the purity of leaving a conference we helped establish under the idea that money was not the main reason.