Gotta say Kaiser is right about the CFB playoffs the Big XII is in trouble

[HOFCeluck]

revenue is fixed.

ratings will be the ratings.

would nd bring more eyeballs?? probably. does the committee care? nope.

that ship still is taking passengers for every bowl not in the F4, but not here.

So if the season ended today, nd would be in...congrats.

But it doesn't...and when it does, you will be OUT.

The conferences by virtue of the committee, will protect a 1 loss conf champ game winner or a 1 loss conference champion.

And it will be glorious.

Buh-bye.

Are you like this IRL? Why don't you post like a normal human?

 

[suorange08]

Two reasons:

1. USC and Texas are not expected to be mediocre. They are expected to field teams that compete for national championships year-in and year-out. When these games were scheduled they were expected to be marquee games.

2. TCU has to play Texas since they are in the same conference. It is only the OOC games where they have discretion as to whom they schedule. Baylor, OSU amd TCU all decided to schedule patsies.

So Notre Dame gets credit for scheduling a team that is expected to be great, yet isn't. You give no credit given to teams who play that same exact team in conference? If they both play the team, who cares if it is in conference or not? The funny thing is that their two best wins are against teams who are rarely in the top 25, yet are this year- so they get credit for that too? Can't have it both ways.

I agree that Baylor, TCU and OSU (both of them) should schedule good ooc teams, though both play more of the better ranked teams in-conference this year than Notre Dame plays. Notre Dame's best wins are to two teams ranked 20 and 22. They have Stanford left at 7, though also Wake and BC. The Big 12 teams each have each other, while all of them are ranked in the top 15 (that is 3 top 15 games). Ohio State also has Michigan, Michigan State and most likely Iowa left.

 

[sabach]

And I think it is great.

OSU, TCU and Baylor all played Rutgers-type OOC schedules.

If they get punished for that, maybe they'll start scheduling some marquee opponents - that means more great early-season games...

I hate ND as much as the rest of you but you have to respect how they schedule...

Funny thing is that ND has been trying to ease the schedule a bit by putting teams like Temple on the schedule. Then, the year they play at Temple, they are undefeated and ranked.

 

[suorange08]

That is as many Top 25 wins as anyone.

Baylor has not played a Top 25 team. Neither has Ohio State.





Committee chairman Jeff Long said Notre Dame was "solidly" No. 4.

"They've moved themselves up," Long said, noting the two top-25 wins. "They've been able to overcome some injuries." SOS is a big factor. ND's SOS is much higher than Baylor and OSU.



Some stats/metrics:

1. Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau
   
   Remaining SOS (reg season) of @CFBPlayoff top 6: 2. Baylor 13. Ohio St 16. ND 23. Alabama 59. Iowa 106. Clemson http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/
   
   
   Toughest SOS to date (and FBS record): 1. GaTech (2-6) 2. ND (8-1) 3. Texas (4-5) 4. USC (6-3) 5. Ole Miss (6-3) http://www.bcftoys.com/2015-dod/
   
   
   
   Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau
   
   
   
2. Four @CFBPlayoff top 25 teams have played three games to date vs other top 25 teams: ND (2-1) LSU (2-1) Michigan (1-2) Northwestern (1-2)
   
   
   
   Brian Fremeau ‏ @bcfremeau
3. Ohio St and Baylor only two top 10 @CFBPlayoff teams who haven't played a top 25 opponent yet.
   
   
   
4. ian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau

1. Record vs @CFBPlayoff top 25: 1. Clemson (2-0) 2. Alabama (2-0) 3. Ohio State (0-0) 4. Notre Dame (2-1) 5. Iowa (2-0) 6. Baylor (0-0)

Both Baylor and OSU have 3 top 15 games ahead, which is more than Notre Dame has all season. This will all work itself out and I don't think an undefeated Big 12 champ (or even a 1 loss OU as Big 12 champ) will be outside the top 4 to let a 1 loss Notre Dame in.

 

[sabach]

An undefeated Big 12 champion will make the playoff ahead of ND at 11-1.
A once beaten Big 12 champion will not.

As long as ND wins out (by beating Stanford) and the Big 12 does not have an undefeated champion, ND is in and the Big 12 and Pac 12 are out of the playoff.

If however an 11-1 ND is left out, that has no bearing on ND looking to join a conference. ND will only begin to consider independence if and when they go 12-0 and are out of the playoffs.

 

[Eric15]

Plus having the semi-finals on the worst possible night imaginable (New Years Eve)

I find New Years Eve to be a generally overrated holiday -- I personally can't wait to watch some great football that night.

 

[Finwad32]

I find New Years Eve to be a generally overrated holiday -- I personally can't wait to watch some great football that night.

It's funny, we were just talking about this with friends the other day. No interest in going out anymore, if anything a house party.

The best part about that timeframe, imo, is the games.

 

[Stern]

I find New Years Eve to be a generally overrated holiday -- I personally can't wait to watch some great football that night.

It's a generational thing for sure. Most people in their 40's and and younger are out and about on the town living it up. At parties, restaurants, clubs drinking and having fun out with their dates/significant others. Not watching football games.

I'm sure the over 50 crowd will be home watching the games on their couch. But the vast majority of Americans go out on that night and party. They aren't watching TV

 

[HOFCeluck]

It's a generational thing for sure. Most people 45 and younger are out and about on the town living it up. At parties, restaurants, clubs drinking and having fun out with their dates/significant others. Not watching football games.

I'm sure the over 50 crowd will be home watching the games on their couch. But the vast majority of Americans go out on that night and party. They aren't watching TV

Maybe in general...but I have no interest in going out NYE. I'm 34. I'm pretty sure Eric is my age or a little younger.

 

[TheCusian]

An undefeated Big 12 champion will make the playoff ahead of ND at 11-1. A once beaten Big 12 champion will not. As long as ND wins out (by beating Stanford) and the Big 12 does not have an undefeated champion, ND is in and the Big 12 and Pac 12 are out of the playoff. If however an 11-1 ND is left out, that has no bearing on ND looking to join a conference. ND will only begin to consider independence if and when they go 12-0 and are out of the playoffs.

This just has to be said: if ND were in the ACC, they'd get a second shot at Clemson. A 12-1 ACC champ has a better shot than an 11-1 independent.

I know they don't care and pseudo-independence is worth it... But...

 

[Eric15]

It's a generational thing for sure. Most people in their 40's and and younger are out and about on the town living it up. At parties, restaurants, clubs drinking and having fun out with their dates/significant others. Not watching football games.

I'm sure the over 50 crowd will be home watching the games on their couch. But the vast majority of Americans go out on that night and party. They aren't watching TV

I'll be 33 on Sunday, with a 1-year-old who is up every day before 5 am. If I can make it to midnight it will be a freaking miracle.

 

[bpo57]

revenue is fixed.

ratings will be the ratings.

would nd bring more eyeballs?? probably. does the committee care? nope.

that ship still is taking passengers for every bowl not in the F4, but not here.

So if the season ended today, nd would be in...congrats.

But it doesn't...and when it does, you will be OUT.

The conferences by virtue of the committee, will protect a 1 loss conf champ game winner or a 1 loss conference champion.

And it will be glorious.

Buh-bye.

Future revenue is based on ratings. Simple concept.

 

[TerryD]

This just has to be said: if ND were in the ACC, they'd get a second shot at Clemson. A 12-1 ACC champ has a better shot than an 11-1 independent.

I know they don't care and pseudo-independence is worth it... But...

Should have beat them the first time. That is the formula. Win every game and stay independent.

Once in a while, get in the playoffs with one loss when things line up.

No reason to join a conference.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Are you like this IRL? Why don't you post like a normal human?

What was wrong with what or how I posted??

You've been very sensitive lately, I'll take note to be nice to you.

The committee is not corrupt, you can believe what you want, they just aren't.

They will put the 4 best teams in, ratings be damned.

They can be corrupt in future, won't happen in year 2.

 

[bpo57]

The ratings matter a lot for the advertising rates for the TV partners and for how much they can charge and the ratings matter to the sponsors of these bowl games who pay big bucks to have their company's name attached to these bowl games. If you don't think ratings and revenue matter I don't know what you tell you but I couldn't disagree more. Ratings always matter. The committee wants to sap every penny they can out of these games for themselves and for their TV partners. If having ND in the Final Four means a higher rating that gives them (the committee) ammunition to charge sponsors more next year and beyond to attach their names to these bowl games (Goodyear Cotton Bowl, Capital One Orange bowl..etc). It gives the TV partner ammunition to charge more for advertising rates for those games. And when they have to negotiate the next deal many years down the line, they will of course go off the ratings history of all of these Final 4 and championship games. Ratings always matter! Which is why the committee will keep Clemson #1 overall even though they probably don't deserve to be #1 overall (probably should be #2 or #3) as it keeps ND looking stronger and then they can justify having ND in the Final 4 as their only loss was by 2 pts with a back-up QB at the #1 team overall!

Ratings always matter. Revenue always matter and Revenue is far from "fixed"

You nailed it Stern. This is the simplest concept on earth and he refuses to acknowledge it. Btw that's not to say ND is getting in if they have a very weak case but if they're in the neighborhood i.e. debateable then they're gonna get the nod.

 

[KaiserUEO]

You nailed it Stern. This is the simplest concept on earth and he refuses to acknowledge it. Btw that's not to say ND is getting in if they have a very weak case but if they're in the neighborhood i.e. debateable then they're gonna get the nod.

Embrase corruption all you want.

And who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory, so I'll give you 1...

All 5, power conferences hate nd and will move to keep them out and to keep the $$$ for themselves.

 

[bpo57]

revenue is fixed.

ratings will be the ratings.

would nd bring more eyeballs?? probably. does the committee care? nope.

that ship still is taking passengers for every bowl not in the F4, but not here.

So if the season ended today, nd would be in...congrats.

But it doesn't...and when it does, you will be OUT.

The conferences by virtue of the committee, will protect a 1 loss conf champ game winner or a 1 loss conference champion.

And it will be glorious.

Buh-bye.

What if ND beats Stanford who goes on to win the Pac12 title? Then let's say all of the B12 teams have one loss. Then the only way ND is not getting in is if the Committee gives your beloved "Bevo" the nod. You remember Bevo, right? They're the ones you said won't get in cuz they don't play a conference tourney. Either way that shakes out you'll be wrong.

 

[sabach]

Should have beat them the first time. That is the formula. Win every game and stay independent.

Once in a while, get in the playoffs with one loss when things line up.

No reason to join a conference.

That's it plain and simple.

 

[TheCusian]

Should have beat them the first time. That is the formula. Win every game and stay independent. Once in a while, get in the playoffs with one loss when things line up. No reason to join a conference.

We'll find out how well that sits with the under 30 crowd and the players (and recruits).

 

[HOFCeluck]

I'll be 33 on Sunday, with a 1-year-old who is up every day before 5 am. If I can make it to midnight it will be a freaking miracle.

4, 3, and three weeks. Yeah, that may be a factor too

 

[bpo57]

An undefeated Big 12 champion will make the playoff ahead of ND at 11-1.
A once beaten Big 12 champion will not.

As long as ND wins out (by beating Stanford) and the Big 12 does not have an undefeated champion, ND is in and the Big 12 and Pac 12 are out of the playoff.

If however an 11-1 ND is left out, that has no bearing on ND looking to join a conference. ND will only begin to consider independence if and when they go 12-0 and are out of the playoffs.

What he said.

 

[TheCusian]

That's it plain and simple.

"Look, guys. I know you're disappointed. We had a great season only losing to Clemson in a monsoon... But the old guys who run things think scheduling that extra OOC game is more important than being a national champion. Oh, and money."

 

[Finwad32]

I'll be 33 on Sunday, with a 1-year-old who is up every day before 5 am. If I can make it to midnight it will be a freaking miracle.

Sounds oddly familiar, except 32 and 6 AM!

 

[qdawgg]

Maybe in general...but I have no interest in going out NYE. I'm 34. I'm pretty sure Eric is my age or a little younger.

I'm 37 and the wife and I have almost never gone out. If were going to go out its not on a night when it'll be a sh!tshow. I know a lot of people our age, give or take 10 years that feel the same way.

 

[Alsacs]

An undefeated Big 12 champion will make the playoff ahead of ND at 11-1.
A once beaten Big 12 champion will not.

As long as ND wins out (by beating Stanford) and the Big 12 does not have an undefeated champion, ND is in and the Big 12 and Pac 12 are out of the playoff.

If however an 11-1 ND is left out, that has no bearing on ND looking to join a conference. ND will only begin to consider independence if and when they go 12-0 and are out of the playoffs.

I think Baylor 12-0 gets in over Notre Dame 11-1 but Stanford 12-1 I am not sure.

Oklahoma State now that I have looked at their numbers I am not sure 12-0 Oklahoma State gets in over 11-1 Notre Dame and for sure not 12- Stanford.
Oklahoma State gets TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma all at home. The committee will factor that in. They barely beat Texas in Austin on a punter goof. They gave up 52 to Texas Tech and won by 2 at Kansas State.

I don't think Oklahoma State at 12-0 is a lock because their non-conference is a joke and all their tough games were at home.
Stanford's resume would be better than OSU's and the committee wouldn't ding Stanford playing a tough OOC on the road against a current top 25 team.

Big XII has a bunch of crap like the ACC/BigTen at the bottom and I think that would screw Oklahoma State. Oklahoma and TCU played P5 OOC road games this year and that would have helped them at 12-0. Baylor I think at 12-0 would get in.