Guess who is currently 17th in total revenue in 2013

[GoSU96]

according to the Dept. of Education.

Why it's Syracuse University.

Not all schools have reported. Based on who hasn't reported SU is probably going to end up 30th.

In 2010 SU was ranked 58th with $51M in revenue reported.

This year SU reported $87m in revenues, $11.3M increase from 2012, against $72M in expenses.

In the ACC SU will end up fourth behind ND, Lville, and FSU, blowing by Duke, UNC, and UVA.

All of that without state treasury as a backstop or a huge booster/fundraising revenue stream.

Time to stop using small private school limited resources as an excuse.

 

[Millhouse]

according to the Dept. of Education. Why it's Syracuse University. Not all schools have reported. Based on who hasn't reported SU is probably going to end up 30th. In 2010 SU was ranked 58th with $51M in revenue reported. This year SU reported $87m in revenues, $11.3M increase from 2012, against $72M in expenses. In the ACC SU will end up fourth behind ND, Lville, and FSU, blowing by Duke, UNC, and UVA. All of that without state treasury as a backstop or a huge booster/fundraising revenue stream. Time to stop using small private school limited resources as an excuse.

Football doesn't drive the bus here!

 

[GoSU96]

Football doesn't drive the bus here!

Not sure what the point is, but SU is pretty unique, $250K short of being the second program with more than $30M in mens basketball revenue. Lville is the other, $40M, UK might be the third when they report.

SU is one of the few programs with balanced revenues.

 

[CuseOnly]

I think the point is that they need to spend the money where it can actually make money.

I also think that if Shafer in not successful over the next 2 years that we actually open up the purse strings and get a bigger name head coach.

 

[Millhouse]

Not sure what the point is, but SU is pretty unique, $250K short of being the second program with more than $30M in mens basketball revenue. Lville is the other, $40M, UK might be the third when they report. SU is one of the few programs with balanced revenues.

Another way for me today thank god for basketball

 

[Full_Rebar]

You'd better hope that a new AD is in charge for the next hire if you want big money spent. The current guy doesn't see investing as a big deal since he's not going to get the Director's Cup points towards his own bonus. Why do you think he was so willing to spend 3-5x the market for Gait?

 

[GoSU96]

You'd better hope that a new AD is in charge for the next hire if you want big money spent. The current guy doesn't see investing as a big deal since he's not going to get the Director's Cup points towards his own bonus. Why do you think he was so willing to spend 3-5x the market for Gait?

The resentment towards the non-revenue sports is nuts.

 

[oldpinepoint]

i have no problem spending money on the non revenue sports, i think they need to cut some fat in the AD office quite frankly.

 

[SUFan44]

The resentment towards the non-revenue sports is nuts.

Not resentment. Just doesn't make any sense.

Do you think the football coaching salaries are commensurate with the 4th highest in the ACC - as our revenues are? I certainly don't. And I know our basketball coach is vastly underpaid compared to the market value he would bring in.

Meanwhile, our WLAX coach and for a time our WTEN coach were #1 in the country at their respective positions in salary. And if not close. I would imagine MSOC & XC are close to the top as well.

Don't mind that they are - but if they are being paid top market value, we should have people in place in our revenue-generating sports that are worthy of being paid top market too.

 

[007]

You'd better hope that a new AD is in charge for the next hire if you want big money spent. The current guy doesn't see investing as a big deal since he's not going to get the Director's Cup points towards his own bonus. Why do you think he was so willing to spend 3-5x the market for Gait?

Do you really think that Gross is the person responsible for the HC salary and, even more incredulous, that Gross is unwilling to invest big money in the football program?

 

[qdawgg]

Gross would spend gobs of $ for football coaches if he had permission. He's not the problem.

 

[anomander]

The resentment towards the non-revenue sports is nuts.

It's not resentment, it's logic. Why would a P5 program pay some non-revenue HC's in the top percentile in their sport, while the supposed "moneymaker" gets paid towards the bottom percentile? Just doesn't add up? If we are going to use the excuse that we are a small, poor, private University as the reason for not paying the Football staff, then you shouldn't be spending all this money on non-revenue sports. The coaching staffs for each sport within the athletic dept should be paid on par as the rest of the ACC (not in terms of $, but % wise).

 

[Full_Rebar]

I don't resent the non-revenue sports one bit. I love that teams are winning, but like others have said, you can't pay coaches in those sports at the top and cut corners on football. If invested properly, a healthy football program (bowl games, better attendance, sales from jerseys, etc) could direct even more money to the non-revenues. When you give a team a new locker room that will require constructing a new weight room (when the one that was there was fine for the sports using it) and that's a poor use of funding. I don't care if w.lax raised all the $, build onto Manley instead of paying for two new projects instead of one...that's just horrible management.

I question the logic behind decisions such as paying high salaries for sports where there is no competition for the coaches. I mean was any other school fighting for Jensen and what did he accomplish in his time at SU? Has Gait done enough to warrant being a top 5 salary at the entire University? Don't even get me started on Q and the $ I hear his program spends...yet, as fans we worry about McDonald leaving and what that would mean for recruiting instead of saying SU should be able to go attract a good OC/recruiter from another BCS program.That instead of hiring D3 coaches and having them coach new positions for the 1st time, SU should

 

[rrlbees]

It's not resentment, it's logic. Why would a P5 program pay some non-revenue HC's in the top percentile in their sport, while the supposed "moneymaker" gets paid towards the bottom percentile? Just doesn't add up? If we are going to use the excuse that we are a small, poor, private University as the reason for not paying the Football staff, then you shouldn't be spending all this money on non-revenue sports. The coaching staffs for each sport within the athletic dept should be paid on par as the rest of the ACC (not in terms of $, but % wise).

It's not apples to apples. The top paid football coaches are paid north of $5m and the top 20 are paid $4m+. I do not know how much of that is actually paid by the school. But what SU actually pays Gary Gait, who everyone complains about, is $172,000.

 

[anomander]

It's not apples to apples. The top paid football coaches are paid north of $5m and the top 20 are paid $4m+. I do not know how much of that is actually paid by the school. But what SU actually pays Gary Gait, who everyone complains about, is $172,000.

Doesn't matter it sends the message we just don't care about football.

 

[BKCuse]

It does matter because the amount of $ to pay a top notch non-revenue sport HC is a drop in the bucket when talking about a marquee FBHC's salary.

I'm happy to see the soccer team at #1 and Cross country doing well. I've never seen a non-revenue sport game but I don't begrudge them the dollars they get.

That said we need to pay our assistant FB coaches more to ensure we've got a quality staff

 

[djorange1989]

Even if we are willing to spend more cash for a football coach we still won't get a big name to come here. The SU football gig is not a desirable one, even when things are going well. It certainly would help with assistant coaches however

 

[rrlbees]

Doesn't matter it sends the message we just don't care about football.

It seemed to matter to you. Your post I responded to was all about how much coaches got paid. Not sending a message.

 

[SUFan44]

It's not apples to apples. The top paid football coaches are paid north of $5m and the top 20 are paid $4m+. I do not know how much of that is actually paid by the school. But what SU actually pays Gary Gait, who everyone complains about, is $172,000.

Gary Gait was paid $716,409 in the fiscal year 2012-13. That we know as fact.

Sourced from the same information you have: Gait's compensation includes $172,756 from Syracuse University, $85,000 from IMG and $128,540 from women's lacrosse camps.

Those three numbers total $386,296. That leaves $330,113 unaccounted for.

Just because his base salary is $172,756 doesn't mean that SU isn't paying for the rest of his salary in other ways. The IMG money could be repurposed elsewhere - no non-revenue sport coach should be getting a bump from any marketing deals. There are also "personal service fees" that aren't included in base salaries.

As an example - Nick Saban's "base salary" at Alabama is $225,000 with a "personal service fee" of $3.275 escalating to $3.975 million per year. Who do you think pays that? Saban's paycheck from Alabama likely comes from a variety of streams - but all of it is Alabama's money.

Bottom line is this - we know for a fact that Gary Gait made $716,409 and was the fifth-highest paid employee at Syracuse University in 2012-13. The money he is paid, whether it be from IMG or any other vendor, could be used any which way SU wants it to be used.

 

[SUFan44]

It does matter because the amount of $ to pay a top notch non-revenue sport HC is a drop in the bucket when talking about a marquee FBHC's salary.

I'm happy to see the soccer team at #1 and Cross country doing well. I've never seen a non-revenue sport game but I don't begrudge them the dollars they get.

That said we need to pay our assistant FB coaches more to ensure we've got a quality staff

The point is they outpay for non-revenue sport HC's but do not pay at the same relative rate in the revenue sports. Even Boeheim's $2.13 million is dwarfed by the Top 10 coaches in the country that he competes with every year.

I am with you in that I like seeing all sports do well and do not mind paying those head coaches top dollar. But the same must hold true with the revenue sports (namely football), or else what's the point?

 

[rrlbees]

Gary Gait was paid $716,409 in the fiscal year 2012-13. That we know as fact. Sourced from the same information you have: Gait's compensation includes $172,756 from Syracuse University, $85,000 from IMG and $128,540 from women's lacrosse camps. Those three numbers total $386,296. That leaves $330,113 unaccounted for. Just because his base salary is $172,756 doesn't mean that SU isn't paying for the rest of his salary in other ways. The IMG money could be repurposed elsewhere - no non-revenue sport coach should be getting a bump from any marketing deals. There are also "personal service fees" that aren't included in base salaries. As an example - Nick Saban's "base salary" at Alabama is $225,000 with a "personal service fee" of $3.275 escalating to $3.975 million per year. Who do you think pays that? Saban's paycheck from Alabama likely comes from a variety of streams - but all of it is Alabama's money. Bottom line is this - we know for a fact that Gary Gait made $716,409 and was the fifth-highest paid employee at Syracuse University in 2012-13. The money he is paid, whether it be from IMG or any other vendor, could be used any which way SU wants it to be used.

First, where does the article say that $172k was Gaits "base salary"? It says it was his "compensation" from SU. Meaning total salary.

Second, you realize the numbers are from his tax form, not an SU document. So it denotes all income. The article just didn't list all sources. Does he have any deals with Nike like JB and other coaches have? Does he do any TV or radio ads for anything? Does he promote anything he gets paid for?

Third, why can SU dictate to IMG where they spend their money?

I'll stick with the $172k as to what SU pays him. And even IF it much more, how would a couple hundred thousand more get is to a $4m football coach?

How much Gait or McIntyre or any of the Olympic sports coaches get paid is a drop in the bucket in paying a big time salary to a football coach.

 

[Full_Rebar]

First, where does the article say that $172k was Gaits "base salary"? It says it was his "compensation" from SU. Meaning total salary.

Second, you realize the numbers are from his tax form, not an SU document. So it denotes all income. The article just didn't list all sources. Does he have any deals with Nike like JB and other coaches have? Does he do any TV or radio ads for anything? Does he promote anything he gets paid for?

Third, why can SU dictate to IMG where they spend their money?

I'll stick with the $172k as to what SU pays him. And even IF it much more, how would a couple hundred thousand more get is to a $4m football coach?

How much Gait or McIntyre or any of the Olympic sports coaches get paid is a drop in the bucket in paying a big time salary to a football coach.

Those compensation numbers aren't from Gait's taxes, those are from the SU form 990, which all non-profits must file. You can go online and see a longer list of employee salaries from across the campus.

It is my understanding that as part of the IMG contract that SU and MG can agree to direct the money however they want. The contracts are in fact designed to make the school's "payments" to coaches look smaller. It's what schools all over the country are doing and

For someone who has been critical of the MetLife games, you don't see how Gross' spending made those games a financial necessity for the SU Ath Dept, and thus, directly hurt the football program? I mean those salaries are a "drop in the bucket" on their own, but combined with increased spending on facilities and sport operating budgets has certainly limited the fb program specifically. Gross hired more administrative staff during a budget crunch while not increasing numbers in sports medicine, or until the NCAA investigation, academics.

If every head coach is in the top 10% of the ACC for salary, except for the head football coach, that doesn't strike you as an issue?

 

[SmilinBob]

It's not apples to apples. The top paid football coaches are paid north of $5m and the top 20 are paid $4m+. I do not know how much of that is actually paid by the school. But what SU actually pays Gary Gait, who everyone complains about, is $172,000.

An Alabama fan or alumni paid off Saban's 3+ million mortgage. That's crazy money but what SU has to compete with.

 

[oldpinepoint]

An Alabama fan or alumni paid off Saban's 3+ million mortgage. That's crazy money but what SU has to compete with.

SU has the alumni but they aren't vested in sports like Alabama

 

[rrlbees]

Those compensation numbers aren't from Gait's taxes, those are from the SU form 990, which all non-profits must file. You can go online and see a longer list of employee salaries from across the campus. It is my understanding that as part of the IMG contract that SU and MG can agree to direct the money however they want. The contracts are in fact designed to make the school's "payments" to coaches look smaller. It's what schools all over the country are doing and For someone who has been critical of the MetLife games, you don't see how Gross' spending made those games a financial necessity for the SU Ath Dept, and thus, directly hurt the football program? I mean those salaries are a "drop in the bucket" on their own, but combined with increased spending on facilities and sport operating budgets has certainly limited the fb program specifically. Gross hired more administrative staff during a budget crunch while not increasing numbers in sports medicine, or until the NCAA investigation, academics. If every head coach is in the top 10% of the ACC for salary, except for the head football coach, that doesn't strike you as an issue?

That 990 does not include Gait by name. I've also never once defended our fiscal responsibility or lack there of. Spending Ike a drunk sailor is a term heard often.

People want to say since Gait is a top paid lax coach it hurts our ability to pay top dollar for a football coach. I say no it doesn't. We pay for what we have from an experience and success standpoint. When Marrone was here he was the 58th highest paid coach. Sounds about right to me. We offered Holtz over $2m, 6 years ago. Where would that have placed him?

The top 20 salaries are now $4m+. We aren't going to get one of those coaches nor should we pay that much to a coach who hasn't proven they deserve it. So Gaits $172k or $350k or whatever means nothing. Even if we agreed Gait doesn't deserve that much, it doesn't get us a $4m coach. And no I don't care if one coach is top 10% in the ACC and another isn't.

And yes, others do compensate coaches. Booster clubs, individual boosters and the IMGs. None of those top 20 paid coaches are fully compensated by the school alone.