Guess who is currently 17th in total revenue in 2013

[rrlbees]

I don't even care if it's for Shafer. Use it for the assistant salary pool. Building a strong support staff is huge now a days. An extra $150k can get you a lot.

No it can't. You're talking pennies.

 

[anomander]

No it can't. You're talking pennies.

How much do you think Eric White makes? Or Gould?

 

[SUFan44]

No it can't. You're talking pennies.

An extra $150K for a position is a substantial amount of money for a support person that can help the program. Double that and you're looking at a significant step up in the amount of money we can offer for an offensive coordinator salary - much more than what we offered the last guy that got fired on the job.

 

[rrlbees]

How much do you think Eric White makes? Or Gould?

No idea and it means nothing.

 

[anomander]

No idea and it means nothing.

Apparently it doesn't. But hey at least we have a great Women's Lacrosse program. I am sure the couple hundred people who go are thrilled.

 

[oldpinepoint]

No idea and it means nothing.

$150K is a drop in the bucket but it can get you some support staff which is more and more necessary these days

 

[rrlbees]

An extra $150K for a position is a substantial amount of money for a support person that can help the program. Double that and you're looking at a significant step up in the amount of money we can offer for an offensive coordinator salary - much more than what we offered the last guy that got fired on the job.

Here's an idea. Take all coaching salaries to zero and brig in volunteers. Then all money can go to a football staff.

You know, Shafer got market value for being a rookie HC. He also got the staff he wanted. He got the band back together. And his staff got what they needed to come here, such as McDonald leaving Arkansas. We've also shown we will pay what many others do when we offered over $2m six years ago. What's that today? $2.5m? $3.0m?

Why don't you say what you mean. You want the staff all fired and to go find a $3m HC that will come here and then a couple of $1m coordinators.

You think SU being #1 right now in soccer helps the University at all?

 

[rrlbees]

Apparently it doesn't. But hey at least we have a great Women's Lacrosse program. I am sure the couple hundred people who go are thrilled.

You guys are funny. You know, you can have both. What's wrong with a great woman's lax program? Or men's soccer? Or x-country? But if we trash those and just pick up another support person in football, we'll all of a sudden turn this program around. Lol.

 

[anomander]

You guys are funny. You know, you can have both. What's wrong with a great woman's lax program? Or men's soccer? Or x-country? But if we trash those and just pick up another support person in football, we'll all of a sudden turn this program around. Lol.

Nothing is wrong with it, but it is also the reason why we will never be anything other then an average at best Football program. This is a business isn't it? Why don't you run it like one? Other then lining Gross' pocket with incentive bonuses, what are the returns from all these non-revenue sports?

 

[rrlbees]

Nothing is wrong with it, but it is also the reason why we will never be anything other then an average at best Football program. This is a business isn't it? Why don't you run it like one? What are the returns from all these non-revenue sports?

You can take them to zero and it's going to do nothing for the football program. You want to know what will? Much larger donations. Much larger.

 

[anomander]

You can take them to zero and it's going to do nothing for the football program. You want to know what will? Much larger donations. Much larger.

Unfortunately I feel this is our athletic departments problem, because this seems to be our train of thought.

We might as well have just dropped Football down to FCS and stayed in the Big East then.

 

[rrlbees]

Unfortunately I feel this is our athletic departments problem, because this seems to be our train of thought. We might as well have just dropped Football down to FCS and stayed in the Big East then.

The big boys pay big because boosters pay part of the tab.

 

[GoSU96]

Unfortunately I feel this is our athletic departments problem, because this seems to be our train of thought.

We might as well have just dropped Football down to FCS and stayed in the Big East then.

You said it right there, it's an ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT, not the Department of Football and Basketball.

The ability to retain staff in either program because of pay hasn't been an issue with either program since when P was here.

When was the last time either program lost someone because of pay?

Hiring might be an issue but as Bees noted the Department was ready to pay market when they were looking to replace Robinson. They didn't go through a search when Marrone left and Marrone didn't leave because of his salary.

If Shafer wants to fire the Band I think he'll have the resources he needs.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

In addition, I am pretty sure the women's lacrosse program has a 2-3 donors that contribute to that program in a substantial manner ( Relatively speaking), they pay for what they believe will help the program. Imagine that! If donors write the checks, dictate where the money goes then that is where it goes. Your money goes where you want it too. So who the are people to dictate. People don't understand Olympic and traditional non rev sports but there are lots of diehard supporters out there that would love a national championship in women's lacrosse just as much as say basketball. I don't say football because that simply isn't possible at this point

 

[CuseOnly]

Controlled environment - great history - good academic school - top 10 perennial basketball team. Potential is there. Don't think SU is seen that way at all. Only reason it would be seen that way is because of attendance, but outside of select few, attendance is a huge issue across the board in college football.

All that and throw in the best perks of all - No Big Football Boosters, lack of support from the administration (played out somewhat publicly with Marrone).

That will get the top candidates flocking here in droves.

 

[CuseOnly]

In addition, I am pretty sure the women's lacrosse program has a 2-3 donors that contribute to that program in a substantial manner ( Relatively speaking), they pay for what they believe will help the program. Imagine that! If donors write the checks, dictate where the money goes then that is where it goes. Your money goes where you want it too. So who the are people to dictate. People don't understand Olympic and traditional non rev sports but there are lots of diehard supporters out there that would love a national championship in women's lacrosse just as much as say basketball. I don't say football because that simply isn't possible at this point

Until of course I win the $262 million from the Mega Millions...

 

[SmilinBob]

How much do you think Eric White makes? Or Gould?

Who brought in Eric White?

 

[NKR1978]

Even if we are willing to spend more cash for a football coach we still won't get a big name to come here. The SU football gig is not a desirable one, even when things are going well. It certainly would help with assistant coaches however

Tend to agree, but Mike Leach coaches at Washington State. A nothing school with little tradition in the middle of nowhere in Eastern Washington. Has to recruit against the rest of the Pac 12 and other schools that mine California. Might have to try to get someone a bit damaged, but it is doable.

 

[Bill Orange]

In addition, I am pretty sure the women's lacrosse program has a 2-3 donors that contribute to that program in a substantial manner ( Relatively speaking), they pay for what they believe will help the program. Imagine that!

This is true.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I wonder if SU paid other 1st-time HC's like Luke Jensen and Quentin Hillsman "market value" for their salaries? I want an Athletic Department that is successful, but we can't pretend that a lack of investment in football (including facilities until this year) doesn't hurt all the sports. Everyone just needs to look at the empty Dome and see where more revenue could be earned.

It's also very fair to blame a lot of issues on fund-raising as I think it's been terrible. The talk of big boosters is funny because it seems as though Gross had put most of his eggs in this basket and by alienating many of the the smaller, long-time boosters, he's hurt the bottom line.

As far as w.lax having big donors, that's great, but why should they displace the weight room for 10+ sports for a new locker room? No one can convince me that building that locker room, and then having to turn around and try to build a new weight room is a sound strategy. Decisions like that make me wonder what the long-term planning looks like at Manley.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

This is true.

And therefore, those blaming the money being spent on women's lacrosse with regard to its relationship on that being spent on football have no idea What they are talking about. Apples and oranges and people cant imagine that as an individual donor the success of women's lacrosse versus football may be more important to said donor. Different strokes

 

[GoSU96]

And therefore, those blaming the money being spent on women's lacrosse with regard to its relationship on that being spent on football have no idea What they are talking about. Apples and oranges and people cant imagine that as an individual donor the success of women's lacrosse versus football may be more important to said donor. Different strokes

Last year they spent $5.3M more on every other program in total than was spent on Football.

In terms of total expenditures SU was a couple hundred K less than Nebraska and A&M and a couple hundred K more than Ohio St.

When you start comparing at lower levels the issue is how costs and revenues are allocated at individual schools.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Last year they spent $5.3M more on every other program in total than was spent on Football.

In terms of total expenditures SU was a couple hundred K less than Nebraska and A&M and a couple hundred K more than Ohio St.

When you start comparing at lower levels the issue is how costs and revenues are allocated at individual schools.

Interesting. The biggest issue the football program has is a lack of big donors as well as mid level donors, these factories have private donors as well as state money for facilities but the donors spend and spend big because seeing Old State U win is a big priority for them. People waiting for Syracuse to flip a switch internally, it's never going to happen unless the University unearths someone who has a bunch of money and has Syracuse football winning games as a priority. The golden goose that Gross has spent 11 years trying to find. Syracuse has proven that they will spend 2 mil to look for the right coach but that seems to be the mendoza line, either you hire cheap and eventually pay that type of money to retain ( hopefully) or hire a proven coach. This lack of big donors is a big reason why even next year you might see Shafer fired if he has another losing season. Stanford, UCLA probably had donors willing to foot the bill for getting rid of coaches, much like Stanford probably has a donor writing a 7 figure check to their swimming program. People act as if the University is writing the checks for all of these moves, which in a round about way I guess they are

 

[GoSU96]

Interesting. The biggest issue the football program has is a lack of big donors as well as mid level donors, these factories have private donors as well as state money for facilities but the donors spend and spend big because seeing Old State U win is a big priority for them. People waiting for Syracuse to flip a switch internally, it's never going to happen unless the University unearths someone who has a bunch of money and has Syracuse football winning games as a priority. Syracuse has proven that they will spend 2 mil to look for the right coach but that seems to be the mendoza line, either you hire cheap and eventually pay that type of money to retain ( hopefully) or hire a proven coach

2013 USA Today:

Marshall Doc Holiday makes $607K, staff total $1M

ECU Ruffin McNeil $1.15M, staff total $1.3M

ODU, Bobby Wilder $450K, staff total $750K

You could hire those coaches and staff in total, double their pay, and stay under $5M total.

SU is either hiring coordinators with little or no HC experience from NFL/P5 or non P5 HC's.

That's the pipeline.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

2013 USA Today:

Marshall Doc Holiday makes $607K, staff total $1M

ECU Ruffin McNeil $1.15M, staff total $1.3M

ODU, Bobby Wilder $450K, staff total $750K

You could hire their those coaches and staff in total, double their pay and stay under $5M total.

SU is either hiring coordinators with little or no HC experience from NFL/P5 or non P5 HC's.

That's the pipeline.

Agree 100%. I think Edsall they thought would be worth chasing before Marrone because of his ties.