HCSS and this Coaching Staff

[Statesman1]

Scoreboard says it was. We went down 31-13 at halftime and never made it a game after that. The entire 2nd half SU wasn't competitive or got within 18pts till the final touchdown in garbage time. It was a blowout! Never got within a 3 score game from halftime on...BLOWOUT!

We dominated the stat sheet- that doesn't happen in blowout losses. Should have won that game but we shot ourselves in both feet with bad mistakes. That game was a turd, not a blowout.

 

[Statesman1]

Better than what we have had in years past. I won't kill them on recruiting they are doing fine there. This is Syracuse and there can't be insane high level of expectations for recruiting...this staff can recruit. That isn't the issue. They just can't coach a game

They are average recruiters. When arguably our best recruit decommits to go to Penn St and is their 20th recruit you can see the talent gap- and it's not like Penn St is a top 5 program either. Our talent is level is average. Where are our playmakers on either side of the ball?

 

[Statesman1]

We have a bunch of guys with no other offers?

Yes but they're wrapped up by June, which everybody knows is the mark of a great class. Next man up! I trust the coaching staff! Jay Bromley, stars don't matter. (sarcasm)

 

[CuseOnly]

Um, no. Look at the scoreboard. You want to count "moral victories" to prove its not a blowout. Nobody gives a flying crap how many yards SU got on offense. From halftime on the game was over and SU never was in the game. They keep score in POINTS!!! Not yards. SU was beaten badly on the scoreboard in POINTS. Never a close game from halftime on.

You do realize that there are typically some extremely negative people on this board, and even they are not calling this a blowout. You are the only one on here calling it a blowout. Which is not the case.

You want to say we got beat, which we did, fine. A blowout, no. Our score against CMU was a blowout.

This game, we won all the battles, we just lost the war. They made 3 big plays that turned the tide of the game for them, that was all. All of those things can be corrected by game planning and scheme.

On to the next.

 

[Chris02M]

They are average recruiters. When arguably our best recruit decommits to go to Penn St and is their 20th recruit you can see the talent gap- and it's not like Penn St is a top 5 program either. Our talent is level is average. Where are our playmakers on either side of the ball?

he wasn't our best recruit top 3 or 4 yes but not number 1

 

[Chris02M]

You do realize that there are typically some extremely negative people on this board, and even they are not calling this a blowout. You are the only one on here calling it a blowout. Which is not the case.

You want to say we got beat, which we did, fine. A blowout, no. Our score against CMU was a blowout.

This game, we won all the battles, we just lost the war. They made 3 big plays that turned the tide of the game for them, that was all. All of those things can be corrected by game planning and scheme.

On to the next.

seemed eerily similar to trhe Villanova game in that the late second quarter changed the entire complexion of the game. We go from looking at aclose lead at the half to down 3 scores in a matter of minutes

 

[Statesman1]

he wasn't our best recruit top 3 or 4 yes but not number 1

Debatable but that's why I said "arguably". Either way it illustrates our talent gap. Our better recruits are programs like Penn St.'s bottom recruits. Tough to call our staff great recruiters in this context.

 

[CuseOnly]

Debatable but that's why I said "arguably". Either way it illustrates our talent gap. Our better recruits are programs like Penn St.'s bottom recruits. Tough to call our staff great recruiters in this context.

Just an FYI...Penn State has always kicked our behinds in recruiting. This is nothing new.

And...what difference does it make what "number" recruit you are for any program? So if I am a 5 star top 100 recruit and I commit dead last #25 does that mean I am a bad recruit? Just a question.

 

[Statesman1]

Just an FYI...Penn State has always kicked our behinds in recruiting. This is nothing new.

And...what difference does it make what "number" recruit you are for any program? So if I am a 5 star top 100 recruit and I commit dead last #25 does that mean I am a bad recruit? Just a question.

Penn St has always kicked our behinds in recruiting? Thanks for the FYI I wasn't aware of that before. I'm not talking about some imaginary 5 star top 100 recruit- this staff doesn't get those kids either. I am talking about the perspective we can take when one of our top recruits, D Kelly, is plucked from our class when five scholarships are restored that were not previously available. I assume that PSU prioritizes recruits with limited scholarships and did not deem Kelly worthy of an offer when they only had @20 this year. To me, that means he was a lower priority for them, some where around 21-25. He was at the top of our board. All I'm saying is that this turn of events should tell us something about where our talent stacks up against a good but not great program. We've got a long way to go talent wise and I'm not sure how much better at recruiting this staff is compared to HCDM's or how much the move to the ACC is responsible for any uptick in recruiting we think we are seeing as opposed to the supposed prowess of this staff. Show me the playmakers.

 

[Stern]

We dominated the stat sheet- that doesn't happen in blowout losses. Should have won that game but we shot ourselves in both feet with bad mistakes. That game was a turd, not a blowout.

I would rather dominate the scoreboard since ya know that's how results are determined.

And there is now way with a straight face you can say SU "should have won the game"...Maryland had the lead from their first possession of the game and never looked back. It was a total blow-out. Nobody cares about the stat sheet except for fans who are trying to find moral victories in a loss. SU got down by 3 scores and never cut into the lead for an entire half. That's a blowout

 

[Statesman1]

I would rather dominate the scoreboard since ya know that's how results are determined.

And there is now way with a straight face you can say SU "should have won the game"...Maryland had the lead from their first possession of the game and never looked back. It was a total blow-out. Nobody cares about the stat sheet except for fans who are trying to find moral victories in a loss. SU got down by 3 scores and never cut into the lead for an entire half. That's a blowout

Of course everybody would rather a win on the scoreboard, that's the only measure that counts. You're the one person on this board hung up on terminology calling a game a blowout, which in fact, was not. Blowouts are when one team dominates all phases of the game. That didn't happen yesterday. I'm not looking for moral victories, to me there is no such thing- we lost and that's all that counts. All I'm saying is what the facts are, SU dominated the stat sheet, and was able to move the ball at will. We ran for almost 400 yards against a depleted defense. However, we beat ourselves, which is the worst way to lose a game. You're the one poster on this board insisting what you saw was a blowout. Go ahead and call it whatever you want but you'd still be wrong.

 

[Stern]

Of course everybody would rather a win on the scoreboard, that's the only measure that counts. You're the one person on this board hung up on terminology calling a game a blowout, which in fact, was not. Blowouts are when one team dominates all phases of the game. That didn't happen yesterday. I'm not looking for moral victories, to me there is no such thing- we lost and that's all that counts. All I'm saying is what the facts are, SU dominated the stat sheet, and was able to move the ball at will. We ran for almost 400 yards against a depleted defense. However, we beat ourselves, which is the worst way to lose a game. You're the one poster on this board insisting what you saw was a blowout. Go ahead and call it whatever you want but you'd still be wrong.

No when you lose by 3 scores at home and aren't' in the game the entire 2nd half and not once cut into the lead the entire 2nd half...it's a blowout.

We can just agree to disagree and move on. We are just going in circles at this point

 

[countrycuse88]

Some my observations: 1 Coaching staff doesn't know how to utilize talent in the right positions. example Custis on bubble screens.
2 we have no passing game, and its not the coaches fault, its hunts. I know he has a strong arm however if he continues to throw 5 foot over receivers heads on simple crossing routes we will never be very balanced or good. ( I counted 7 passed that sailed over wide open receivers heads ) 3 Its clear the coaching staff is either incapable of making in game adjustments or simply to stubborn because it didn't ever seem like there was a sense of urgency on there part in the second half.
4. our db's always and I mean always get beat over the top for big plays. either we need a huge improvement in coaching in that area or a big jump in talent we are recruiting.

 

[CuseOnly]

No when you lose by 3 scores at home and aren't' in the game the entire 2nd half and not once cut into the lead the entire 2nd half...it's a blowout.

We can just agree to disagree and move on. We are just going in circles at this point

Were those Holograms on the field in the 2nd half running up 300 yards on Maryland. I was under the impression they were football players.

My mistake...

 

[GoSU96]

Um, no. Look at the scoreboard. You want to count "moral victories" to prove its not a blowout. Nobody gives a flying crap how many yards SU got on offense. From halftime on the game was over and SU never was in the game. They keep score in POINTS!!! Not yards. SU was beaten badly on the scoreboard in POINTS. Never a close game from halftime on.

Actually if you care about the overall capabilities of the team and it's long term prospects you better care. Yesterday was self immolation, not a beat down. And that makes all the difference.

The fact that you don't see that or understand is consistent with prior posting.

 

[Stern]

Were those Holograms on the field in the 2nd half running up 300 yards on Maryland. I was under the impression they were football players.

My mistake...

If ya don't score any points who cares about the 300 yards. Jees. Score some points. We lost by 3 scores and some of you are obsessed with the yardage amount. Nobody cares about yardage amounts when ya lose

 

[Full_Rebar]

For all the yards SU racked up in the 2nd half yesterday, how many points did they score?

Call it what you want, but it wasn't a game where SU ever threatened after the half.

 

[Stern]

For all the yards SU racked up in the 2nd half yesterday, how many points did they score?

Call it what you want, but it wasn't a game where SU ever threatened after the half.

Exactly! They racked up a ton of yards, never cut into the lead, Maryland had a big 3 score/3 posession cushion the entire 2nd half. That's a blowout any way you slice it.

 

[Stern]

Actually if you care about the overall capabilities of the team and it's long term prospects you better care. Yesterday was self immolation, not a beat down. And that makes all the difference.

That's moral victories and this program is beyond moral victories. You want to find "moral victories" to justify a loss at home vs an equal to lesser program. Go for it, but for SU football who has been in a bowl game 3 times in 4 years and won all 3 of those bowl games; "Moral Victories" are a thing of the past and its a losers mentality. SU is beyond moral victories at this point. If you are happy with losing games and finding moral victories...more power to ya.

 

[Quazzum69]

If the basketball team lost by 20 at home, most would say it was a blowout.

Would anybody care if we had more assists and rebounds or a higher free throw pct in a 20 point loss?

Saying we won the "assist battle" is like saying we had more yards so its not a blowout.

 

[djcon57]

IMO, it was a blowout.

It was clear Maryland took the gas off the pedal in the 2nd half. They had guys open deep throughout the 1st half and went basically 100 percent to the run. I believe the could've run it up against the Cuse secondary of they wanted...so, yes, IMO, it was a blowout

 

[GoSU96]

That's moral victories and this program is beyond moral victories. You want to find "moral victories" to justify a loss at home vs an equal to lesser program. Go for it, but for SU football who has been in a bowl game 3 times in 4 years and won all 3 of those bowl games; "Moral Victories" are a thing of the past and its a losers mentality. SU is beyond moral victories at this point. If you are happy with losing games and finding moral victories...more power to ya.

Yeah moral victories are the point.

Where have it justified anything by the way.

This game was consistent with the last year point wise. I've made it pretty clear that I think there are issues with the offense. About as far from a blind homer as you can get. Doesn't mean you have to be a relentlessly negative hysteric that thinks every coach ever employed here can't coach and every quarterback who sees the field sucks.

Where it wasn't was that they actually asked Terrell to do more, it was a welcome change from the dink and dunk. Was it completely effective, no. But the skinny posts to Broyld, the deep ball to West, the flag to Lewis were all good signs for the future.

 

[CanadianSU]

IMO, it was a blowout.

It was clear Maryland took the gas off the pedal in the 2nd half. They had guys open deep throughout the 1st half and went basically 100 percent to the run. I believe the could've run it up against the Cuse secondary of they wanted...so, yes, IMO, it was a blowout

14 point game is a blowout, ok then. Wait till we play FSU or Clemson then... Wonder what that will be

 

[CuseOnly]

14 point game is a blowout, ok then. Wait till we play FSU or Clemson then... Wonder what that will be

We will have to come up with a new name for the games where we lose by 56 like last year. Gonna put my thinking cap on to figure a new one out.

Those were Blowouts. This one, nope.

These games are Blowouts:
Texas A&M 58 SMU 6
Michigan State 73 EMU 14
Georgia 66 Troy 0
Wisconsin 68 Bowling Green 17
Duke 47 Tulane 13
Temple 59 Delaware St 0

These games are not Blowouts:
Maryland 34 SU 20
Kansas 24 CMU 10
Utah 26 Michigan 10
S. Carolina 48 Vanderbilt 34

See the difference? Hope so.

 

[Stern]

14 point game is a blowout, ok then. Wait till we play FSU or Clemson then... Wonder what that will be

It was 31-13 from halftime to garbage time. Lead was never cut into.