Head of NCAA committee on ESPN Radio

[Alsacs]

If he's an azzclown why are you so concerned about him?

The guy has a platform on the most powerful sports brand and people listen to him as a result. He doesn't analyze numbers well. I have no interest to waste my time anymore discussing this with you as it is pure trolling if you actually want to have this discussion.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

There are reasons for and against us. We'll just have to see how it all shakes out.

We did leave the door open for the NCAA to kick us in the junk and leave us out though. I fully expect them to take the chance at a junk kick.

 

[jncuse]

Folks I believe we are out also but always hold out hope especially in this crazy bad bubble year..I felt like if we lost we deserved to be out anyway and will assume that is the case until we surprisingly show up or not Sunday...I have looked at my numbers and have come up with this that makes me feel somewhat better...I put a couple bubbles as in already like Vandy, VCU and St. Bonnie...after this I have what looks like 5 bids left for 12 teams...I am putting SD State as winning MWC but that would change things a bit.

Heres what I see for the 12 teams we are competing with for 1 of 5 spots

Cinci
UCONN
Tulsa
Butler
G. Washington
Michigan
Florida
St. Marys
Wichita St
Monmouth
Valpo
CUSE

I could be missing someone but think its good...Now you just never know what the committee is looking at from year to year so you never know..Are they for Mid Majors or good OOC schedule or tougher P5 schedule...who knows

I would take Butler out -- They are a lock in my view. But I would add back Oregon St, VCU, and St. Bonnies into the unknown field. That might make it more than 5 seats available though.

Lunardi probably has us last one out this morning - moving up Oregon St for it's awe inspiring win over 5-13 Arizona St. last night. That win was truly amazing stuff -- a real mover!

He has us last one out, but he also has the following teams in above us:

Oregon St
VCU
St. Bonaventure
St. Mary's
Monmouth
Temple** (as the AAC Auto bid)

Are we behind all 5 of those teams right now -- perhaps we really are. We deserve our fate if its bad. but no one can be sure how the committee views those above teams. Those teams are all pretty close to us.

There is a much clear line below us -- we are about a draw with UConn. After that it is a big gap still where teams need still win multiple games, Valpo would be a total stunner.

 

[orangecuse]

There are reasons for and against us. We'll just have to see how it all shakes out.

We did leave the door open for the NCAA to kick us in the junk and leave us out though. I fully expect them to take the chance at a junk kick.

We left too much junk in our own trunk!

 

[SBU72]

We are screwed but that has nothing to do with the fact his azzclown on ESPN is treated like he is an expert.

When I watch analysts I expect them to be objective and give analysis based on the numbers or opinions with facts to back them up.

He may have been one of the first to do this but that doesn't make a good one.

Lunardi's last 4 in Pitt, St. Bonaventure, Monmouth, St. Mary's.

Okay Pitt beat us 3 times so they are better. The other if you analyze who they have beaten and where they played and ranked Syracuse 1-4. There is no way you could put Syracuse 4th. Now if you want to say were are picking the 37 best at-large teams then okay we don't belong in and we don't even belong as close to the bubble as we are now.

In regards to St. Bona, it comes down to this, Bona got the job done. They beat creditable teams (Dayton and St. Joes) down the stretch going 9-1 and SU did not. And big games were away from Olean. SU had their chances (FSU and Pitt #3) and failed.

 

[TheCusian]

I think it's all about how they view those JB suspension games. That's why Mike and Mike talked about it. It's likely an important distinction.

 

[cuseinseattle]

All we need is for Cinci to beat uconn and Memphis to beat Tulsa tomorrow and we're back in baby!

Don't do this to yourself.

 

[Col. Bleep]

In regards to St. Bona, it comes down to this, Bona got the job done. They beat creditable teams (Dayton and St. Joes) down the stretch going 9-1 and SU did not. And big games were away from Olean. SU had their chances (FSU and Pitt #3) and failed.

Exactly right.
Do we really deserve to be in?
If you charted our season like a stock we'd be in a downward slide close to our low point during Boeheim's suspension.
We lost 5 of our final 6 including the last 2 ...when winning either one would almost certainly have gotten us into the tourney.
So if the committee looks at "what have you done lately"...the answer is not much and certainly not enough to justify a bid.
It's a sorry end to an interesting and often exciting season.

 

[bpo57]

I totally agree and am surprised how little play those wins are getting. Also every team has What losses. If we don't get in we are going to lose out to someone who's resume is not that much better, if any better, than ours and that is going to p--s me off. We aren't worthy but somebody has to fill out the bracket and none of the teams listed touch our good wins.

It doesn't help that some of our best wins were back in November. I know the Committee supposedly weighs those wins equally but people form their impressions of a team more in the "what have you done for me lately" mode.

 

[Alsacs]

In regards to St. Bona, it comes down to this, Bona got the job done. They beat creditable teams (Dayton and St. Joes) down the stretch going 9-1 and SU did not. And big games were away from Olean. SU had their chances (FSU and Pitt #3) and failed.

So what. Winning games isn't the most important factors. I hope SBU gets in but their resume sucks compared to ours.

They don't have the OOC conference wins we have and our top conference wins are better. Plus, H2H Syracuse won.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/179

SBU's schedule is a joke. They beat nobody outside of the A-10. Sweeping St. Joe's, beating GW, and splitting with Dayton is not an NCAAT resume without a good OOC.
The more I look at SBU's resume I laugh at Lunardi for having them above us.

 

[bpo57]

I also know they always say the committee does not go by conference number of bids...but I also think they do look at certain conf as weaker and less bids result...I really believe the A-10 may be a bit overrated in their eyes and we may see that What scenario like ours that one year happen to teams in there...

Here are my What candidates that may may get shafted due to conf or OOC schedule or lack of eye test

VCU
Vandy
St. Joes
S. Carolina
Providence
USC

FWIW I watched St. Joe's a lot this year (at least ten times) as my son goes to school there. If they don't make it they'll be getting hosed. A good team that could sneak up and bite somebody. Deandre Bembry is a pro.

 

[Alsacs]

Exactly right.
Do we really deserve to be in?
If you charted our season like a stock we'd be in a downward slide close to our low point during Boeheim's suspension.
We lost 5 of our final 6 including the last 2 ...when winning either one would almost certainly have gotten us into the tourney.
So if the committee looks at "what have you done lately"...the answer is not much and certainly not enough to justify a bid.
It's a sorry end to an interesting and often exciting season.

How you finish doesn't mean anything. It is all about who you have beaten and where you beat them.

This garbage about how you finish basically implies that early good wins don't matter as much. Look at SBU's schedule they beat nobody before A-10 play. The A-10 wasn't that good this year. They won games but winning games isn't the main criteria. SBU didn't challenged themselves in the OOC that hurts them.

 

[bpo57]

In regards to St. Bona, it comes down to this, Bona got the job done. They beat creditable teams (Dayton and St. Joes) down the stretch going 9-1 and SU did not. And big games were away from Olean. SU had their chances (FSU and Pitt #3) and failed.

I've watched the Bonnies a lot lately. Right now I don't think we would beat them on a neutral court.

 

[MGP]

Can we please once and for all distinguish the arguments between "deserving" to be in and our "chances" of getting in as two completely separate entities???

 

[Alsacs]

I've watched the Bonnies a lot lately. Right now I don't think we would beat them on a neutral court.

We were awful in November compared to conference play. St. Bona may be better as well but we beat them and I think we would now.
They can shoot really well but they wouldn't hurt us in our weakness interior D.

Also, at their schedule they beat nobody in OOC. Sorry, the A-10 is a good league but it isn't that strong where beating only A-10 teams gets you in.

 

[FortyFourCT]

There are two questions at play here and I don't know which one the committee asks when making their decisions.

1) If Syracuse and Monmouth (for example) were to play a game who would Vegas favor? Who would you bet on? Who do you think would win?
2) Who deserves the spot more? Cuse went 9-10 but has a few good wins. Monmouth scheduled great, won those games, even though some of those teams didn't turn out too good and won their conference.

If it is 1) we are in over Monmouth. If it is 2) they are in over us.

 

[Alsacs]

There are two questions at play here and I don't know which one the committee asks when making their decisions.

1) If Syracuse and Monmouth (for example) were to play a game who would Vegas favor? Who would you bet on? Who do you think would win?
2) Who deserves the spot more? Cuse went 9-10 but has a few good wins. Monmouth scheduled great, won those games, even though some of those teams didn't turn out too good and won their conference.

If it is 1) we are in over Monmouth. If it is 2) they are in over us.

Monmouth unlike St. Bona scheduled an insane OOC schedule. If they get in over us I wouldn't be as upset.

 

[We Are Syracuse]

Joey Rodriguez, former VCU FF point guard, had a great point today: simply said "@Coachjrod12: We can't sit here and say ACC teams with 12 13 losses and shouldn't get in when we lost to Georgia Tech and FSU"

These mediocre A-10 teams wouldn't fare well in the ACC. Losses don't tell every story. Although. syracuse really blew this. Win one more game and you make it. Get to 20 wins at 18-8 and we couldn't do it. Sickening honestly

 

[Chris02M]

i have us in before st bona right now. currently my last 5 in which include temple as aac current champ:
oregon state
us
st marys
st bona
uconn

with these 3 just out:
tulsa
wichita st
monmouth


with 5 others who need multiple wins

 

[Alsacs]

Also Texas Tech lost to TCU last night. That was a bad loss. They still have a good chance but Texas Tech is not a lock.

 

[Moontan]

i have us in before st bona right now. currently my last 5 in which include temple as aac current champ:
oregon state
us
st marys
st bona
uconn

U of S strikes again.

 

[bpo57]

We were awful in November compared to conference play. St. Bona may be better as well but we beat them and I think we would now.
They can shoot really well but they wouldn't hurt us in our weakness interior D.

Also, at their schedule they beat nobody in OOC. Sorry, the A-10 is a good league but it isn't that strong where beating only A-10 teams gets you in.

Really? Our best stretch was in the Bahamas. There is no doubt the Bonnies have steadily improved as the year has gone on. Obviously A-10 < ACC but there are some good squads in the A-10.

 

[Alsacs]

Really? Our best stretch was in the Bahamas. There is no doubt the Bonnies have steadily improved as the year has gone on. Obviously A-10 < ACC but there are some good squads in the A-10.

If Bonaventure played the St. Joe's nonconference schedule Nova/Temple/Florida/Virginia Tech okay.

The Bonnies didn't challenge themselves in the nonconference. They lost to SU and that was their only P5 OOC game. They don't deserve a bid without beating Davidson and VCU IMO.

 

[bpo57]

Joey Rodriguez, former VCU FF point guard, had a great point today: simply said "@Coachjrod12: We can't sit here and say ACC teams with 12 13 losses and shouldn't get in when we lost to Georgia Tech and FSU"

These mediocre A-10 teams wouldn't fare well in the ACC. Losses don't tell every story. Although. syracuse really blew this. Win one more game and you make it. Get to 20 wins at 18-8 and we couldn't do it. Sickening honestly

The two conferences didn't play all that much head to head. There are the VCU games you noted and the others I found with a quick look were GW beating UVA and St. Joe's routing VaTech.

 

[bpo57]

If Bonaventure played the St. Joe's nonconference schedule Nova/Temple/Florida/Virginia Tech okay.

The Bonnies didn't challenge themselves in the nonconference. They lost to SU and that was their only P5 OOC game. They don't deserve a bid without beating Davidson and VCU IMO.

Just a Bonnies win over the Davidson/LaSalle winner will do the trick. They closed with a flourish.