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[pearl31]

They closed with a flourish.

So?

 

[Alsacs]

Just a Bonnies win over the Davidson/LaSalle winner will do the trick. They closed with a flourish.

Their resume is a joke when you look at under analytics.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/179
15 of their 29 games have been against the top 150.

Just because Princeton has an RPI of 41 doesn't mean they are a bubble team.
Bonaventure is 1-1 vs. top 25 RPI. That is Dayton whom they split with.
3-2 vs. top 50 RPI. Dayton 1-1, St. Joe's 2-0, VCU 0-1.

How do you give a bid to a team that didn't play a single top 50 in the OOC. They lost to Syracuse their only P5 OOC opponent.

This resume is such a joke. I bet if I went thru all bubble teams I would give even more angry. Syracuse has sucked down the stretch but its resume is better than these teams.

Challenge yourself in the OOC or you better have a good conference. A-10 is not a top 6 league.

 

[bpo57]

Their resume is a joke when you look at under analytics.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/179
15 of their 29 games have been against the top 150.

Just because Princeton has an RPI of 41 doesn't mean they are a bubble team.
Bonaventure is 1-1 vs. top 25 RPI. That is Dayton whom they split with.
3-2 vs. top 50 RPI. Dayton 1-1, St. Joe's 2-0, VCU 0-1.

How do you give a bid to a team that didn't play a single top 50 in the OOC. They lost to Syracuse their only P5 OOC opponent.

This resume is such a joke. I bet if I went thru all bubble teams I would give even more angry. Syracuse has sucked down the stretch but its resume is better than these teams.

Challenge yourself in the OOC or you better have a good conference. A-10 is not a top 6 league.

I hear ya. My only problem with OOC is that most of those games were played 3+ months ago. Teams change a lot in that kind of timeframe. My other comment is that I believe the A-10, while not a powerhouse, is better than you think they are.

 

[bpo57]

So?

They've won 10 of their last 11 with road wins over SJU and Dayton. They have an RPI of 28. Maybe we should focus on some teams that are 50/50.

 

[pearl31]

They've won 10 of their last 11 with road wins over SJU and Dayton. They have an RPI of 28. Maybe we should focus on some teams that are 50/50.

The committee (probably) won't care how many of their last 11 they've won, or their individual RPI #. They have a shoddy profile and will be very lucky if they get in as an at-large.

 

[Alsacs]

I hear ya. My only problem with OOC is that most of those games were played 3+ months ago. Teams change a lot in that kind of timeframe. My other comment is that I believe the A-10, while not a powerhouse, is better than you think they are.

I think the A-10 is the 7th best league. They deserve multiple bids Dayton/St.Joe's and then VCU/St.Bona on bubble.

The Bonnies don't have a good resume. If beating crap teams in the OOC is all you have to do then the committee is saying it screwed us in 2007. You have to challenge yourself in the OOC even if you lose games.

That OOC schedule is such a joke. 1 P5 team in 11 games? No neutral site games? No tournaments? Play another P5 team on the road.

St. Joe's challenged themselves, Dayton challenged themselves, VCU challenged themselves all in the non-conference.

The Bonnies did not thus the A-10 alone is not enough IMO. If you look at the schedule and not just the RPI they should need 2 wins or be gone.

Syracuse vs. St. Bonaventure it isn't close who has a better resume. Now you could tell me you think the Bonnies are a better team and I wouldn't disagree.

 

[Alsacs]

They've won 10 of their last 11 with road wins over SJU and Dayton. They have an RPI of 28. Maybe we should focus on some teams that are 50/50.

The RPI is so easy to game. The Bonnies rigged it by playing bad teams on the road in the OOC. They won those games against inferior teams and because they were on the road they get 1.4 credit rather .6 for a home win.

Pitt does the same stuff to rig the RPI. Playing RPI top 150 teams t home instead of dregs inflates your RPI. Montana State and Texas Southern are killing our RPI because of how their RPIs are.

Again look at Princeton they played nobody and rigged the RPI to spit out a 41 and they wouldn't get in the tournament if their were 96 teams.

 

[Knicks411]

The RPI is so easy to game. The Bonnies rigged it by playing bad teams on the road in the OOC. They won those games against inferior teams and because they were on the road they get 1.4 credit rather .6 for a home win.

Pitt does the same stuff to rig the RPI. Playing RPI top 150 teams t home instead of dregs inflates your RPI. Montana State and Texas Southern are killing our RPI because of how their RPIs are.

Again look at Princeton they played nobody and rigged the RPI to spit out a 41 and they wouldn't get in the tournament if their were 96 teams.

Wouldn't mind if we did this a little more to be honest...

 

[bpo57]

The committee (probably) won't care how many of their last 11 they've won, or their individual RPI #. They have a shoddy profile and will be very lucky if they get in as an at-large.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. They always say they don't care about the last ten but their selections year in and year out betray that sentiment.

If they lose their first round game then you might have a case. A win tomorrow and they're in fine shape. They don't need to win their tournament. Not even close.

 

[bpo57]

The RPI is so easy to game. The Bonnies rigged it by playing bad teams on the road in the OOC. They won those games against inferior teams and because they were on the road they get 1.4 credit rather .6 for a home win.

Pitt does the same stuff to rig the RPI. Playing RPI top 150 teams t home instead of dregs inflates your RPI. Montana State and Texas Southern are killing our RPI because of how their RPIs are.

Again look at Princeton they played nobody and rigged the RPI to spit out a 41 and they wouldn't get in the tournament if their were 96 teams.

Do you think it is easy for mid-majors to schedule a lot of high quality games against the powerhouses?

 

[Jasoncuse]

i have us in before st bona right now. currently my last 5 in which include temple as aac current champ:
oregon state
us
st marys
st bona
uconn

with these 3 just out:
tulsa
wichita st
monmouth


with 5 others who need multiple wins

There is no reason for St Mary's to even be in the discussion. They played no one and beat no one. A few wins over a non-Tourney Gonzaga team is nothing (even though they got hot this week to get in).

 

[Knicks411]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. They always say they don't care about the last ten but their selections year in and year out betray that sentiment.

If they lose their first round game then you might have a case. A win tomorrow and they're in fine shape. They don't need to win their tournament. Not even close.

Is this true? For SU, I remember in 2014 we stumbled down the stretch, everyone thought we'd be a 4 seed if not worse, and we were a 3 with favorable seeding in Buffalo.

 

[Alsacs]

Wouldn't mind if we did this a little more to be honest...

2009-2013 we did this. For some reason the past 3 years we haven't as much.

We should never play a team projected to be as bad as Montana State was this year. Or Alcorn State 2 years ago.

Those teams cost you 5-10 spots in the RPI alone by just playing them.

We should find decent mid-majors give them decent checks and move.

Our OOC though for the foreseeable future is a lot tougher. Thus I think JB wanted a few crap teams to give the team confidence.
We have Colgate/Cornell/Big Ten team/2 of Georgetown/St. John's/Villanova/ and 4 games from a tournament locked in.
That leaves only 4 other spots every year.

We don't need to game the system as much as a team like Pitt who plays nobody does.

 

[Knicks411]

Kind of frustrating we did it in a period where we didn't really need it (from the standpoint of making the tourny).

I think i saw our RPI is like 65ish now? We could probably have the same record improve that RPI by 10-15 spots with better scheduling. Would it improve our chances of getting a bid? Not sure but it couldn't hurt.

 

[Alsacs]

Do you think it is easy for mid-majors to schedule a lot of high quality games against the powerhouses?

More than 1 shouldn't be difficult at all. They could have gotten another paycheck game easily.

If you want consideration for an atlarge and you aren't in a P6 league(Big East included) you can't just play 1 P6 team in the OOC and lose that game.

The Bonnies did not schedule well and they should be punished for that.

 

[rrlbees]

FWIW I watched St. Joe's a lot this year (at least ten times) as my son goes to school there. If they don't make it they'll be getting hosed. A good team that could sneak up and bite somebody. Deandre Bembry is a pro.

Very good friend of mine is a huge St Joes fan. Graduated there, season tix, donor, member of their hawk club, friends with Martelli. Their mindset is they need 1 more win which is the A10 semis.

 

[jncuse]

I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to lower mid majors. But they have to at least try to extend themselves a bit In OOC.

Gonzaga although rarely a bubble team gets the benefit of the doubt if it needs it. Monmouth earned it. Wichita St did play enough decent teams this year, but given their status should be able to come closer to what Gonzaga does.

But St Mary's? What have they done to earn the benefit of the doubt. Never left California all preseason. They don't even come close to what Gonzaga does it did 10-15 years ago when they were not yet a name brand. Monmouth over st Mary's all day long.

To me they deserve to be out.

 

[MGP]

Very good friend of mine is a huge St Joes fan. Graduated there, season tix, donor, member of their hawk club, friends with Martelli. Their mindset is they need 1 more win which is the A10 semis.

Lunardi? I knew it bees!

 

[bpo57]

Very good friend of mine is a huge St Joes fan. Graduated there, season tix, donor, member of their hawk club, friends with Martelli. Their mindset is they need 1 more win which is the A10 semis.

Yeah to remove all doubt they need to win that game (prolly against GW). Would be a shame if they didn't because they've had a very solid year. One trivial tidbit: St. Joe's has won more games against the spread than any other team in the country.

 

[Briancuse]

So what. Winning games isn't the most important factors. I hope SBU gets in but their resume sucks compared to ours.

They don't have the OOC conference wins we have and our top conference wins are better. Plus, H2H Syracuse won.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/179

SBU's schedule is a joke. They beat nobody outside of the A-10. Sweeping St. Joe's, beating GW, and splitting with Dayton is not an NCAAT resume without a good OOC.
The more I look at SBU's resume I laugh at Lunardi for having them above us.

Exactly, our resume is much better, and we blew them out, same thing for Uconn, we should be ahead of them too.

 

[shandeezy7]

Exactly, our resume is much better, and we blew them out, same thing for Uconn, we should be ahead of them too.

The final score may have looked like a blowout, but we were losing to them the entire game until around the 9 minute mark of the second half, when we went on a run and put the game away.

 

[Briancuse]

The final score may have looked like a blowout, but we were losing to them the entire game until around the 9 minute mark of the second half, when we went on a run and put the game away.

I doubt the committee knows that, they probably will only see the score.

 

[SBU72]

Exactly right.
Do we really deserve to be in?
If you charted our season like a stock we'd be in a downward slide close to our low point during Boeheim's suspension.
We lost 5 of our final 6 including the last 2 ...when winning either one would almost certainly have gotten us into the tourney.
So if the committee looks at "what have you done lately"...the answer is not much and certainly not enough to justify a bid.
It's a sorry end to an interesting and often exciting season.

Back to the OP, perhaps the committee will look as the lose by those schools to SU as BAD lose. How is that as a statement!

 

[Chris02M]

Also Texas Tech lost to TCU last night. That was a bad loss. They still have a good chance but Texas Tech is not a lock.

yes they are 6 top 50 rpi wins= ncaa tourney bound

 

[Chris02M]

There is no reason for St Mary's to even be in the discussion. They played no one and beat no one. A few wins over a non-Tourney Gonzaga team is nothing (even though they got hot this week to get in).

6 top 100 wins puts them in the conversation though we have 8 so we should get in 1st and our non conference is far superior