How about no minutes for Westry, McLeod or the walkons?

[HyattsCuse]

Is McLeod hurt? I’m shocked at his complete lack of playing time thus far.

What’s the redshirt rule? Football I know you can play 4 games and still redshirt.

I’m wondering if McLeod has decided to redshirt so he can play somewhere for his 4th year as a grad transfer.

 

[Fly Rodder]

What’s the redshirt rule? Football I know you can play 4 games and still redshirt.

I’m wondering if McLeod has decided to redshirt so he can play somewhere for his 4th year as a grad transfer.

10 games in basketball.

 

[tptcuse]

At this point, it seems to me you have to start Cuffe and Moore at Guard; Donnie Freeman and Jyare Davis, and I don't know who else.

Eddie has to play some, but not as much as we have to play him. He misses like 3 lay ups every game.

Carlos clearly plays too much. Cuffe is adequate, may get better with more time

Bell doesn't play defense. Eddie doesn't play defense aside from his defensive rebounds. He shies away from guys near the rim, turns his back on plays seemingly on purpose, like to have plausible deniability that he can't cover a guy at the rim.

Moore, honestly, doesn't play much defense, either, although Maryland was hitting them from 25-27 feet. Donnie gets rebounds, but is weak on the offensive boards, and still lacks strong hands, is not tough enough.

I don’t think Cuffe needs to start but Carlos certainly should play less than 40 minutes a game. I’ve never seen anything like it.

 

[cuseinseattle]

That’s not how I’d coach. If my guys put that effort in they’d be benched. Literally all other programs do this. You just lost by 30…might be time to switch it up no matter how counterintuitive it seems

We are in the portal era. If things get hard just switch schools. No need to overcome adversity.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Is McLeod hurt? I’m shocked at his complete lack of playing time thus far.

I’m not. Nothing personal but he’s a total stiff. He’s just really tall. It happens.

 

[Scooch]

I’m not. Nothing personal but he’s a total stiff. He’s just really tall. It happens.

Yep. He was lousy last season. Seems like another whiff in the talent evaluation ledger.

 

[Fly Rodder]

We are in the portal era. If things get hard just switch schools. No need to overcome adversity.

That's not really that true. It is for some schools, but for the ones in the top-30, they keep their talent and let the ones who aren't go. SU lost their three best players last offseason for various reasons, but it wasn't necessarily NIL. They tried to replace them, but didn't come close. They retained their two worst starters and built the team around them - which is mind boggling.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yep. He was lousy last season. Seems like another whiff in the talent evaluation ledger.

Eh, he was an emergency grab when Jesse left.

 

[Cappy3]

That's not really that true. It is for some schools, but for the ones in the top-30, they keep their talent and let the ones who aren't go. SU lost their three best players last offseason for various reasons, but it wasn't necessarily NIL. They tried to replace them, but didn't come close. They retained their two worst starters and built the team around them - which is mind boggling.

Well, Starling was hardly worse than Taylor, who’s struggling to get off the bench at JM.

 

[djcon57]

Eh, he was an emergency grab when Jesse left.

I agree but he was supposed to be our starting center! That’s a concern that two straight years the emergency grab guy is starting and guy who “was supposed to be a starter” is not on the team. (Carlos and Leffew this year)

That excuse can’t keep being used every year

 

[Fly Rodder]

Well, Starling was hardly worse than Taylor, who’s struggling to get off the bench at JM.

Taylor had no business being a starter here and I don't consider him as one. It was obvious he was incapable of playing at this level as a frosh or sophomore.

 

[br801]

McLeod has looked pretty garbage - but did have a minute or so against UT where he looked okay enough. But our PG looks like garbage for 40 MPG so I don't think we can judge him much in his 4 minutes this year.

Much like Cuffe I wouldn't advocate for big minutes at all - but tossing him out there and playing some zone, or having him at the back end when we press instead of Lampkin might be something I'd consider. He'll foul out fast enough, but who cares.

Dude had big minutes on and up-n-down Florida State team as a true frosh and year 2, I think as well. Unless we somehow made him a considerably worse basketball player since he got here (or he's hurt), I can't imagine he can't play for us at all.

He's hurt, in keeping with the recent tradition of SU big men.

 

[jdubs30]

If Cuffe was 6’6 he’d play a lot. He’s athletic, gives clear effort, is a good defender, his shot looks better, etc - but he’s not a good ball handler at all.

 

[Newhouser]

At this point, it seems to me you have to start Cuffe and Moore at Guard; Donnie Freeman and Jyare Davis, and I don't know who else.

Eddie has to play some, but not as much as we have to play him. He misses like 3 lay ups every game.

Carlos clearly plays too much. Cuffe is adequate, may get better with more time

Bell doesn't play defense. Eddie doesn't play defense aside from his defensive rebounds. He shies away from guys near the rim, turns his back on plays seemingly on purpose, like to have plausible deniability that he can't cover a guy at the rim.

Moore, honestly, doesn't play much defense, either, although Maryland was hitting them from 25-27 feet. Donnie gets rebounds, but is weak on the offensive boards, and still lacks strong hands, is not tough enough.

I would play Taylor over Cuffe. Davis, Moore, Freeman and Eddie. Eddie capped at 25 minutes. Carlos no more than 20 minutes max off bench.

 

[djcon57]

On the "ball handler" front...

Carlos doesn't turn the ball over dribbling past the half court line = GOOD.
50% of the time, Carlos hands the ball off to someone else, 50% of the time he can't get past his man and cant generate a shot = BAD

If we play a different player and they turn the ball over a couple times more BUT are BETTER ON DEFENSE and can match the shot generation Carlos produces.

What am I missing here? What does Carlos do in the complete picture that makes a 40 mins a must? Do people really think these players cant dribble the ball up the floor without their pants falling down

 

[Fly Rodder]

That excuse can’t keep being used every year

It's why we've had 3-4 centers on the roster every season and end up starting an undersized power forward. Should probably just stockpile more power forwards.

 

[MikeSU02]

OK, let's just state the obvious.

This was only the 2nd time Cuffe has played more than 10 minutes. Both times, he's scored 10 points. He's shot 4-7 from three in those 2 games.

Carlos was 1-5, playing 40 minutes, did not get to the line and did not make a 3. I'm not looking to kill the kid, but he played far less vs. Texas and Texas Tech, and we nearly won both those games. Sure, we had JJ, but I don't understand why such a limited player is Red's "rock" that he's building the offense on.

Cuffe had 3 turnovers against Maryland - same as Freeman, Davis & Lampkin, and Carlos had 4. Moore only had 2.

How bad would Moore and Cuffe be, running the floor for 15 minutes as a tandem? We know that Lucas Taylor is not more than a 10-15 minute defensive sub.

Is Carlos REALLY that indispensable? I just don't see it.

There are 8 guys that have played more than 190 minutes this season: Lucas, JJ, Jyare, Elijah, Donnie, Chris, Eddie and Jaquan. Jaquan leads all players in mins played with 352. The four guys that are under 190 mins played are WAY under:

Petar (82), Kyle (54), Naheem (11), Chance (10). These four I won't count towards any stats because those mins are so low that it's really tough to discern anything from the numbers (all for the eye test, for example, we know Naheem can't play 40 mpg from watching).

But for the 8 guys that have played 190 mins or more, Carlos is:

7th out of 8th in PER (7.8). An average player is supposed to be at 15.0. The only person lower than him out of the 8 is Lucas. That PER is abysmal.

His TS% is last out of the 8 (43%) and his eFG% last as well (36.3%). Those percentages are abysmal for anyone that plays, let alone starts, let alone has the most minutes played. Abysmal.

His BPM is last of the 8. The only starter in negative numbers (Lucas is negative, too). His BPM is -2.3.

Regular stats: FG% is last of the 8 at 33.9% (insanely awful). His 3PT% is 21.4% (needless to say, anemic).

In the end, every minute Jaquan is playing is a losing minute for us. We are starting the game with an anchor around us. Every. Single. Minute. If he is playing, we are losing.

I have no idea how ANYONE thought he was going to be good. Besides the out-of-the-world historically bad stats that we have all you have to do is see him play, especially in person.

Anyone yearning for Jaquan to continue to play a lot, especially at this level, is rooting for us to lose.

 

[Fly Rodder]

What does Carlos do in the complete picture that makes a 40 mins a must?

Well since there isn't, and has never been, much of an offensive system here the staff needs a PG who can create offense on the court by driving and taking his man 1-on-1 off the bounce. Which seems more of a problem looking for a solution than a solution looking for a problem.

 

[Scott11]

Wouldn’t this be a game to give Westry and McLeod some time to work on things? And the walkons are on the team too. Deserved some minutes.

Mrs. Lincoln how were the choices of snacks in the theatre?

 

[Ghost]

He's hurt, in keeping with the recent tradition of SU big men.

Ahhhhh. Didn't realize. I guess I should have guessed lol

 

[tptcuse]

There are 8 guys that have played more than 190 minutes this season: Lucas, JJ, Jyare, Elijah, Donnie, Chris, Eddie and Jaquan. Jaquan leads all players in mins played with 352. The four guys that are under 190 mins played are WAY under:

Petar (82), Kyle (54), Naheem (11), Chance (10). These four I won't count towards any stats because those mins are so low that it's really tough to discern anything from the numbers (all for the eye test, for example, we know Naheem can't play 40 mpg from watching).

But for the 8 guys that have played 190 mins or more, Carlos is:

7th out of 8th in PER (7.8). An average player is supposed to be at 15.0. The only person lower than him out of the 8 is Lucas. That PER is abysmal.

His TS% is last out of the 8 (43%) and his eFG% last as well (36.3%). Those percentages are abysmal for anyone that plays, let alone starts, let alone has the most minutes played. Abysmal.

His BPM is last of the 8. The only starter in negative numbers (Lucas is negative, too). His BPM is -2.3.

Regular stats: FG% is last of the 8 at 33.9% (insanely awful). His 3PT% is 21.4% (needless to say, anemic).

In the end, every minute Jaquan is playing is a losing minute for us. We are starting the game with an anchor around us. Every. Single. Minute. If he is playing, we are losing.

I have no idea how ANYONE thought he was going to be good. Besides the out-of-the-world historically bad stats that we have all you have to do is see him play, especially in person.

Anyone yearning for Jaquan to continue to play a lot, especially at this level, is rooting for us to lose.

Thank you for breaking this down.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Here's the thing about Carlos; he is the only healthy guy on the team that remotely has the skills of a ball handler. Should he play 40 minutes? Of course not. If for no other reason than needing a blow because the opposition knows we have nobody else and will attack him accordingly.

But the fact is, he has a 2.7 assist/turnover ratio. That is certainly acceptable. It would probably be even better if the guys he was passing to could score.

But nobody else has shown themselves to be in the same stratosphere in terms of A/TO ratio. Moore is 1.3, Taylor is 1.6, and that is the best of the lot. There is nobody else that could play in the backcourt that is even as good as that, and that ain't great. Cuffe is a terrible 0.3. Even JJ is only about 1.4

Does he have other liabilities? Of course he does. For the most part, they all do. Should we be giving him some help while the ball is coming upcourt? Absolutely.

But from a pure ball-handling standpoint, he is all that Red has right now. Again, no way he should be playing 40 minutes, but I at least understand the bind that Red has gotten himself into by not bringing in another good ball handler to supplement the already-weak arsenal that he has. That falls on Red.

 

[tptcuse]

Here's the thing about Carlos; he is the only healthy guy on the team that remotely has the skills of a ball handler. Should he play 40 minutes? Of course not. If for no other reason than needing a blow because the opposition knows we have nobody else and will attack him accordingly.

But the fact is, he has a 2.7 assist/turnover ratio. That is certainly acceptable. It would probably be even better if the guys he was passing to could score.

But nobody else has shown themselves to be in the same stratosphere in terms of A/TO ratio. Moore is 1.3, Taylor is 1.6, and that is the best of the lot. There is nobody else that could play in the backcourt that is even as good as that, and that ain't great. Cuffe is a terrible 0.3. Even JJ is only about 1.4

Does he have other liabilities? Of course he does. For the most part, they all do. Should we be giving him some help while the ball is coming upcourt? Absolutely.

But from a pure ball-handling standpoint, he is all that Red has right now. Again, no way he should be playing 40 minutes, but I at least understand the bind that Red has gotten himself into by not bringing in another good ball handler to supplement the already-weak arsenal that he has. That falls on Red.

Regarding the assist number being higher if guys could score, his job is also to run the offense in a way that puts them in position to score. He usually hands off the ball as soon as he gets to the half court. Or he dribbles into the trees and gets stuck there.

 

[djcon57]

But the fact is, he has a 2.7 assist/turnover ratio. That is certainly acceptable. It would probably be even better if the guys he was passing to could score.

He's passing to covered guys because no one needs to help on him. He gets stuffed at the rim and can't hit 3s. He's not a hard stop. His "assists" are usually due to the guys he's passing to making the play.

 

[Jasoncuse]

Do people really think these players cant dribble the ball up the floor without their pants falling down

To be honest, I'm not sure they can.

BUT, I'd also like to see that play itself out. If Moore can't bring it up, then let's see him fail doing so. Same with Cuffe, Davis or whoever. Enough w/the Carlos iron man outings simply to have a ball dribbler out there, despite bringing nothing else to the table.