How many future NBAers are on our current roster?

[samspann1]

I ask this question because Dan Dakich, who for whatever reason has had a bone to pick with SU for the past couple of seasons, said after tonight's game that the only NBAer on the team is possibly Gbinije.

I don't know if Dakich is extra salty tonight because his beloved Hoosiers were curb stomped, but he came off as being very poorly-informed.

 

[OrangeDW]

I ask this question because Dan Dakich, who for whatever reason has had a bone to pick with SU for the past couple of seasons, said after tonight's game that the only NBAer on the team is possibly Gbinije.

I don't know if Dakich is extra salty tonight because his beloved Hoosiers were curb stomped, but he came off as being very poorly-informed.

Not even trying to be mean, but I get the feeling he's on the below average side of the intelligence scale.

 

[SU94]

I ask this question because Dan Dakich, who for whatever reason has had a bone to pick with SU for the past couple of seasons, said after tonight's game that the only NBAer on the team is possibly Gbinije.

I don't know if Dakich is extra salty tonight because his beloved Hoosiers were curb stomped, but he came off as being very poorly-informed.

Gotta defend Dakich. He's been pro Orange/Boeheim for a long time, and we know he married a SU coach. He made a Twitter comment after Selection Sunday, but he called up Boeheim to apologize publicly, on his radio show. I don't know the guy, but I think he is fantastic.

I'll say, if he said we only have one NBA guy on the roster, he is wrong. But that does not make him a bad guy. Just a poor judge of talent.

 

[NYCorange]

Nah, we got 3-5 depending on what you think.

Gbinije, Lydon and Richardson for sure.

Howard's an unknown. And does Chukwu count? Cause he's got a good shot.

 

[scottynguyen]

3ish

 

[Briancuse]

We could have as many as 5, I think G,Mal, and Ldon are locks, and Howard and Roberson could be.

 

[cuse522]

To be honest, I don't know if Gbinije is an NBA guy. I'd say Lydon and Richardson are, although if you want to nitpick and say they wouldn't be if they came out this year, I suppose you could. I'd argue that Roberson has a better chance than Gbinije, because he can make it as a niche rebounding/defense guy.

I hate to say it, but to me, Gbinije has D-league written all over him. Could he be a second round pick and play some NBA games? Yes, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he never does. Hope I'm wrong, though, of course.

 

[two3zone]

For sure, 2. G, I'm afraid he might a get Kris Joseph look here. Mali for sure.

Lydon. Listen, dude has game, but he needs to show a heck of a lot more than he does. He's not an NBA 3, he'll never guard a 3 in the NBA. He needs to be a big boy and keep the same game and play the 4 there. He has a long way to go, example, the game today. His defense and his tentivness will hold him back.

 

[cuse522]

For sure, 2. G, I'm afraid he might a get Kris Joseph look here. Mali for sure.

Lydon. Listen, dude has game, but he needs to show a heck of a lot more than he does. He's not an NBA 3, he'll never guard a 3 in the NBA. He needs to be a big boy and keep the same game and play the 4 there. He has a long way to go, example, the game today. His defense and his tentivness will hold him back.

Lydon needs to put on some bulk, yes, but at the same time he's 6'8 and he's shooting 40% from 3 as a freshman, and can also take a big man off the dribble and has some moves - plus some time to develop them. He is also a talented shot blocker. Despite shortcomings, that skill set alone will get him a legit NBA look. Whether he sticks for a solid career is a fair question, but I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't spend a year or two on an active NBA roster.

 

[two3zone]

Lydon needs to put on some bulk, yes, but at the same time he's 6'8 and he's shooting 40% from 3 as a freshman, and can also take a big man off the dribble and has some moves - plus some time to develop them. He is also a talented shot blocker. Despite shortcomings, that skill set alone will get him a legit NBA look. Whether he sticks for a solid career is a fair question, but I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't spend a year or two on an active NBA roster.

He doesn't take anybody off the dribble. If he is somewhat successful doing it the guy is always still on him and he doesn't make the basket or passes it away. Today's game should be an absolute showing of what he needs to work on. We saw two guys that have somewhat similar games to Lydon and they're literally light years ahead of him. I'm not sure that can be debated.

 

[cuse522]

He doesn't take anybody off the dribble. If he is somewhat successful doing it the guy is always still on him and he doesn't make the basket or passes it away. Today's game should be an absolute showing of what he needs to work on. We saw two guys that have somewhat similar games to Lydon and they're literally light years ahead of him. I'm not sure that can be debated.

I mean, comparing his game off the dribble and his moves/agility to most people who play the 4 as freshman in college, it's pretty good IMO. Yeah, he obviously has room to improve, but a guy who can play the 4, step out and hit a 3, is pretty agile and can play bigger than his size (and before putting on some bulk)... That's a guy who will get a look in the NBA, especially the way the NBA game is trending.

I'm not saying the guy is going to have a 10-year NBA career, go to All Star games, etc... I'm saying with his physical gifts and current skill set, he'd get a couple years on an active roster in the NBA to see what he can do and how he can develop. Do you disagree with that?

 

[two3zone]

I mean, comparing his game off the dribble and his moves/agility to most people who play the 4 as freshman in college, it's pretty good IMO. Yeah, he obviously has room to improve, but a guy who can play the 4, step out and hit a 3, is pretty agile and can play bigger than his size (and before putting on some bulk)... That's a guy who will get a look in the NBA, especially the way the NBA game is trending.

I'm not saying the guy is going to have a 10-year NBA career, go to All Star games, etc... I'm saying with his physical gifts and current skill set, he'd get a couple years on an active roster in the NBA to see what he can do and how he can develop. Do you disagree with that?

Don't disagree at all. But he's further away than what's portrayed around here.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

the question is difficult to answer without defining "nba player"

A guy that is on regular season NBA roster for even one game? A regular? A rotation guy?

if we want to count guys who actually play one game in a regular season game, then i think we have two in richardson and lydon.

I think G is one of those guys that gets run in the D league and preseason and bounces around and ends up in europe

i have my doubts as to the staying power of Richardson in the league, but I do think he will be a first round pick and thus will def be given chances to prove himself.

Lydon is a future NBA regular

Howard isnt a pro.

 

[cuse522]

Don't disagree at all. But he's further away than what's portrayed around here.

Fair enough. I think he'd be crazy to come out this year barring a national title and two really good games in the Final Four, but I do view him and Malachi as clearly having the most NBA upside on this team.

 

[cuse522]

the question is difficult to answer without defining "nba player"

A guy that is on regular season NBA roster for even one game? A regular? A rotation guy?

if we want to count guys who actually play one game in a regular season game, then i think we have two in richardson and lydon.

I think G is one of those guys that gets run in the D league and preseason and bounces around and ends up in europe

i have my doubts as to the staying power of Richardson in the league, but I do think he will be a first round pick and thus will def be given chances to prove himself.

Lydon is a future NBA regular

Howard isnt a pro.

Agreed on almost all of this, although I don't think Lydon is a lock as an NBA regular, I do think he gets a couple years to have a chance to prove himself. Howard, ask me next year around this time.

G might get a couple 10-day contracts, so he might play at least one regular season game in the NBA, but I'd tend to agree. I think he can have a lot of success in the D-League and give himself good opportunities to bank some money in Europe. He's a 15-20 point, 5-7 assist, 5 rebound guy in the D-League in my opinion, his problem is that his natural talents get him just far enough to do that, but not far enough for it to translate. His age makes him unlikely to even be drafted in the second round IMO, although I know some mocks do have him being taken.

 

[Briancuse]

To be honest, I don't know if Gbinije is an NBA guy. I'd say Lydon and Richardson are, although if you want to nitpick and say they wouldn't be if they came out this year, I suppose you could. I'd argue that Roberson has a better chance than Gbinije, because he can make it as a niche rebounding/defense guy.

I hate to say it, but to me, Gbinije has D-league written all over him. Could he be a second round pick and play some NBA games? Yes, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he never does. Hope I'm wrong, though, of course.

He will def get a chance, he might not be a starter, but he could come off the bench for someone.

 

[alphaorange]

According to nabdraft.net, Lydon was measured at 6'9.5" in shoes at the Durant Skills Academy in '14. If true, he is a lock for the NBA. It's also possible he grows more, based on his baby face. I can't believe guys are knocking his physique and lack of 3 skills as a college freshman. Not everybody is Carmelo....

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Lydon is a future NBA regular

Howard isnt a pro.

Assuming Lydon's natural progression, he is definitely a NBA regular. Not only has he been well coached but he does a lot of great things that can't be taught. These last couple games with the blocked shots are just an example. Not many players at his point in his career could do that without getting called for fouls.

I think you are underestimating Howard. As he plays more, we get to see more of his talents. Today he looked a lot more comfortable shooting the ball. His vision on the court is incredible. He sees things that the average point guard doesn't see. Excluding the one pass he threw into the 5th row, his passing is generally on point. Everyone was giving Battle the start and the minutes next year at the point, but Frankie says not so fast. I'm not comparing him to Sherman Douglas, the greatest pure point guard in Syracuse history, but his court vision is very similar.

 

[pfister1]

Gotta defend Dakich. He's been pro Orange/Boeheim for a long time, and we know he married a SU coach. He made a Twitter comment after Selection Sunday, but he called up Boeheim to apologize publicly, on his radio show. I don't know the guy, but I think he is fantastic.

I'll say, if he said we only have one NBA guy on the roster, he is wrong. But that does not make him a bad guy. Just a poor judge of talent.

We also tend to overvalue the talent of our guys. We clearly have multiple guys that will play professionally.

Do we have guys that will make an NBA roster? Well that is highly debatable and, if I were betting, I think the smart money is on us having none.

Think about the guys who have been through this program and not made NBA rosters (Christmas, Rautins, Fair, Moten, Wallace, Shumpert and Gmac)......you have to be really, really, really good.

 

[jdubs30]

I love Mali but his problem will be there is a million guys like him. He's a 6'6 2G who can shoot and is average athletically (I love his ability to get to the rim as a freshman though). He will be a GREAT college player but it's hard to imagine him being a lottery pick.

G will make it. He's obviously more of a 2 guard at the NBA level, but he's shown he can handle the ball (he's shown big time improvement there). He's a good shooter who can pass, rebound and play D. He's slightly above average athletically. His issue really is his age -- other than that he checks off everything you'd want in a 2G at the next level.

Lydon is someone that scouts will drool over. A guy that size who has really good IQ, can shoot it and has solid handle. Like someone said above, he's definitely a 4 int he NBA so it will be a question mark if he will be able to guard other 4's. I think he will take a huge step forward next year and really show his complete game. He will probably be a lottery pick this time next year.

I like Howard as well. His vision is very impressive, but his handle isn't as tight as it needs to be. He has great size and has a knack for putting the ball right where the shooter needs it. His shot is obviously there, I think he was hesistant this year to shoot but we will see it more next year. Anytime your Howard's size as a PG and you can pass really well, you'll have a spot in the league. If his scoring picks up the next 2 years, he'll be fine.

I don't buy Robey as an NBA guy. Absolutely love his hustle and what he does for us -- when he's on I don't think there's anyone who wants a rebound more. But he'll have to show handle and the ability to make 3's next year to get on NBA radar's. Right now he's a 6'7 215lb PF---tough to make it in the NBA with that.

 

[alphaorange]

It seems pro evaluators think much more of Lydon AND Mali than some of you on here. Although I have seen them move up and down, I have seen Mali projected in the Lottery and Lydon as a 1st rounder. If they improve, I can't see them not considered as picks. If they are a first round pick, they have a guaranteed contract. That says NBA roster to me. Next year will be the time the rubber meets the road.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

We also tend to overvalue the talent of our guys. We clearly have multiple guys that will play professionally.

Do we have guys that will make an NBA roster? Well that is highly debatable and, if I were betting, I think the smart money is on us having none.

Think about the guys who have been through this program and not made NBA rosters (Christmas, Rautins, Fair, Moten, Wallace, Shumpert and Gmac)...you have to be really, really, really good.

moten, wallace, christmas, and rautins all made nba rosters.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I love Mali but his problem will be there is a million guys like him. He's a 6'6 2G who can shoot and is average athletically (I love his ability to get to the rim as a freshman though). He will be a GREAT college player but it's hard to imagine him being a lottery pick.

G will make it. He's obviously more of a 2 guard at the NBA level, but he's shown he can handle the ball (he's shown big time improvement there). He's a good shooter who can pass, rebound and play D. He's slightly above average athletically. His issue really is his age -- other than that he checks off everything you'd want in a 2G at the next level.

Lydon is someone that scouts will drool over. A guy that size who has really good IQ, can shoot it and has solid handle. Like someone said above, he's definitely a 4 int he NBA so it will be a question mark if he will be able to guard other 4's. I think he will take a huge step forward next year and really show his complete game. He will probably be a lottery pick this time next year.

I like Howard as well. His vision is very impressive, but his handle isn't as tight as it needs to be. He has great size and has a knack for putting the ball right where the shooter needs it. His shot is obviously there, I think he was hesistant this year to shoot but we will see it more next year. Anytime your Howard's size as a PG and you can pass really well, you'll have a spot in the league. If his scoring picks up the next 2 years, he'll be fine.

I don't buy Robey as an NBA guy. Absolutely love his hustle and what he does for us -- when he's on I don't think there's anyone who wants a rebound more. But he'll have to show handle and the ability to make 3's next year to get on NBA radar's. Right now he's a 6'7 215lb PF---tough to make it in the NBA with that.

Roberson has no shot at the NBA. None. With his game, he'd have to be 7'0 to make it

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

For sure, 2. G, I'm afraid he might a get Kris Joseph look here. Mali for sure.

Lydon. Listen, dude has game, but he needs to show a heck of a lot more than he does. He's not an NBA 3, he'll never guard a 3 in the NBA. He needs to be a big boy and keep the same game and play the 4 there. He has a long way to go, example, the game today. His defense and his tentivness will hold him back.

Dude is a freshman. In the Warriors NBA, being able to hit 3s is more important than having a defensive position. Kid, IMO, has new NBA written all over him. Mali needs to become more consistent and stronger to play the 2 in the league. G would have to be a right place right time guy.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Roberson has no shot at the NBA. None. With his game, he'd have to be 7'0 to make it

Dennis Rodman wasn't 7'. His chances are very slim but if his motor is more consistent anything is possible. It depends on how much he wants it.